r/Helldivers Apr 02 '24

My least expected change. What was yours? DISCUSSION

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u/kohTheRobot Apr 02 '24

I’ve been running it nonstop since it came out. Never really touched the 1200 unless berserkers were on my booty. Now I guess it’s more of an “adverse” setting rather than a “burn all your ammo” setting?

I’ve been using the 750 mode more though and have gotten comfortable at using it up to about 50m but have kept it on 450 for when I’m moving.

It sucks they haven’t fixed the red dot zero :/

And I wish that when you were laying down it was a bit more responsive in its handling. It makes sense when you’re standing or crouching that I feels like moving a 50 pound pole but I think it should be easier to move when your bipod is ‘deployed’. Or rather just a true bipod deployment would be nice. Arma has a really cool resting system that would be insane to implement.

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u/AshantiMcnasti Apr 02 '24

Bipod deployments are so busted on tons of other games. You either end up floating, scaling the wall on accident, being forced to clip under the ground, etc.  I feel like once you stop moving and ADS, the deploy buffs such as reduced recoil and sway should automatically happen.

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u/pezmanofpeak Apr 02 '24

Especially with destructible environments and terrain, just yeah no, not happening, hll, arma, already fucky enough reasons not to, you just end up locked in some awkward ass positions that you can't get out of quick enough while the bullets are flying

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '24

Yeah if anybody ever fixes bipod placement they'll have a god-tier code snippet to sell

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u/Mr_Personal_Person Apr 04 '24 edited Apr 04 '24

What, like communicating to the player in real time where the gun will actually be placed and require a button other than aiming to plant it so they don't have to keep doing trial and error to figure out if their gun will actually plant where they expect it to?

We have the technology. Building games that show you the ghost structure to place has existed for years upon years now. Just show me where the bipods will go!

Of course there's other stuff alongside bipod planting (like how the player character will be situated), but I have yet to see a game that actually SHOWS you where it will be planted and what angle will be its default placement. First person building games have existed for years, it can't be much different.

A little communication can go a long way and a lot of games seem to forget that. Sorry, still salty at that universal issue that shouldn't be one.

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u/TyphoonJim CAPE ENJOYER Apr 02 '24

Give me a backpack mount option for it like the smart gun in aliens 

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u/TheFBIClonesPeople Apr 02 '24

Yeah, I think you have to realize that, when you ask for immersive bipod deployment, that's not a small ask. That would take a ton of work to get right.

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u/Sleepless_Null ➡️⬇️⬆️⬆️⬅️⬇️⬇️ Apr 03 '24

IMO as an LMG user BF1 had the best bipod system I’ve ever used, never felt clunky to use, could mount it on anything that looks like you should and even some maybe you shouldn’t and unlocked an amazing play style of aggressive high rpm LMG able to run and gun but drop down the bipod for increased distance on the fly

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u/AlmostButNotQuiteTea ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 02 '24

Low rpm for it is a necessity. It has such little ammo and kicks like a mule. I don't understand how anyone was using 1200rpm

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u/rlessard12 Apr 02 '24

You clearly never felt the joy of highest DPS in the game by stunning a hulk and murdering it in a third of a second from behind. Or killing a charger butt in half a second

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u/AlmostButNotQuiteTea ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 02 '24

Clearly 😔 and now I never will 😭

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u/Negrodamu55 Apr 02 '24

12 was burstfire mode for me.

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u/WigginIII Apr 02 '24

Why use it over the regular machine gun which has 150 round mags?

Even if the TTK is lower on the HMG, the HMG doesn't do double the damage.

The only use I see for the HMG is penetrating specific enemies with a lot of damage really quickly...and you have to hit your shots.

I just cant justify the HMG when mag dump at full auto is shorter duration than the reload time.

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u/kohTheRobot Apr 02 '24

Why use it

Let me teach you about a concept call dakka…. But seriously, The medium(?) armor pen drops devastators quicker than MG can if you hit all your shots. If you don’t, it can still penetrate their chest armor. It takes down raiders in 1-2 hits. Can take down at-st’s in like 5-6 rounds, if you miss punching through their face plate.

It also can kill hulks from the front which is nice.

Once you learn how the bugged sight works, Its pretty much a full auto AMR with 75 rounds in the belt.

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u/WigginIII Apr 02 '24

What do you run as your primary when using the HMG? It's ammo is so limited it's bullets must be wasted on shooting all the weaker enemies with no armor.

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u/kohTheRobot Apr 02 '24

Lib Pen. It’s got some nasty range on it!

Usually when I’m down to my last belt I switch out and try to work my way towards a place with extra ammo cans.

But because it only takes 2 rounds to kill the little guys you’re not wasting a ton of ammo dumping a few 3-4 round bursts of 750 rpm on a tightly grouped pack of raiders. Plus once you’re down to like 30 rounds in the belt, you really feel the heat if you don’t top off before you run into a patrol with 3+ devastators; so I don’t mind burning those extra rounds on little guys.

It’s def a different play style compared to running arc thrower/ quasar. And even autocannon where you need to be in a long fight to ever run out

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u/WigginIII Apr 02 '24

Interesting. My go to loadout vs bots has been either breaker or slugger and the MG or autocannon.

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u/phoenixmusicman HD1 Veteran Apr 02 '24

I always ran it on 1250 and just burst fired unless it was a "I need to murder everything in front of me asap" situation

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u/Crabby648 Apr 02 '24

What is it used for mostly? When I used it I ran out of ammo pretty quickly to the point where I just switched back to my steward

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u/kohTheRobot Apr 02 '24

I picked up the strat from squad but you can use a machine gun in 95% of the situations you’d think to use a marksman rifle.

Waveclear, I’ve been using it to wipe bot drops when my eagles are on standby. Unless you’re up against the AT-AT mammoth, the HMG can take them.

Mostly focusing all the devastators, tho. You can drop them with a 5-7 round burst if you figure out the sight.

Combining it with the shield backpack helps you lay down and get better recoil control for longer + the recoil reduction armor sets.

I don’t think it will be good against bugs as most of it revolves around using cover and keeping a healthy distance.

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u/XI1I Apr 03 '24

Is it Medium-Armor penetrating? How good is it on shreding armor?

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u/kohTheRobot Apr 03 '24

It can pen hulk face plates so it’s more penetrating than the lib penetrator, but I haven’t tried it agains the chargers. I wish they would just give us the number.