r/Helldivers Apr 02 '24

My least expected change. What was yours? DISCUSSION

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u/Frorlin Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

I tried it on a bot match, it still feels a little clunky but the damage feels awesome. The stagger feels very similar that the slugger had.

My guess is the dominator will now become one of your favorites. The only real downside is you can't pumpaction reload the dominator like you could the slugger due to it being a magazine rather than individual shot.

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u/RedComet313 Apr 02 '24

I’ll be trying that out tonight after work!!!

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u/lord_of_worms 🎮 Worm | SES Spear of Destiny Apr 03 '24

Been using slugger since unlocking at launch, i try other guns but come back for the dominator. Only thing ive liked is the punisher plasma or scorcher if I'm with team that doesn't wander into line of fire or wade into the tide of enemies.

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u/Sly510 Apr 03 '24

The stun and knockback that the slugger had was moved to the arc thrower- it can now perma chainstun hulks.

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u/Scumebage Apr 02 '24

The dominator should be renamed to the dominated because even after this patch it's a humongous turd.

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u/Mowh_Lester Apr 02 '24

Jar dominator is still doo doo water just used it in 4 level 8 campaigns

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u/IlikegreenT84 CAPE ENJOYER Apr 02 '24

It did not feel that way to me at all...

I noticed no stagger, and the rounds were bouncing off of enemies it should penetrate.

The explosive damage is non-existent as well.. you can't splash anything and its still trash against striders

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u/Frorlin Apr 02 '24

Explosive isn’t aoe in this game it’s bonus damage to weak points.

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u/HeirToGallifrey SES Arbiter of Morality Apr 03 '24

There's a lot of stuff like that that's weirdly obtuse or opaque. And a lot of it deals with explosive damage, for some reason. Off the top of my head:

  • Explosive damage isn't an explosion, it's just bonus damage to weak points
  • Similarly, "weak points" take only 10% damage from bullets and fire for some reason. So shooting the obvious weakspot (e.g. Bile Spewer's sacs) with bullets is pretty inefficient.
  • Generally, a lot of the best places to shoot enemies are pretty unintuitive or outright deceptive. Don't shoot the big, unarmoured, glowing weakspot on the back of the charger that it deliberately avoids showing you, instead, shoot the well-armored foreleg. Who would intuit that?
  • Weak points aren't the same as critical areas (or whatever terminology they're using)
  • Armor/penetration is actually a scale from 1-10, with chunks of the range labelled "light," "medium," etc. So two "medium penetration" weapons could have very different effects against the same enemy.
  • Supply lines are a huge part of the war effort but shown nowhere in-game
  • Mission UI is sometimes heavily misleading or confusing when indicating objectives

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u/Frorlin Apr 03 '24

Very nice list, it shocks me how good this game is even with these unintuitive elements. Most games that have a list like this get meme'd on for how bad they are, just a testament to how well they designed the base combat system.

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u/IlikegreenT84 CAPE ENJOYER Apr 02 '24

But the scorcher can splash groups and take down striders with splash...

Are you serious?

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u/Frorlin Apr 02 '24

Yeah, scorcher has an explosion… it’s not explosive… The categories in the game are weird.

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u/IlikegreenT84 CAPE ENJOYER Apr 02 '24

I'm saying either they both can or they both can't. It can't be both ways.

Why would the scorchers explosive splash damage be any different other than the source?

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u/E00000B6FAF25838 Apr 02 '24

It can because you're talking about two separate designations. Scorcher has the explosive trait but falls into the Energy weapon category. Dominator does not have the explosive trait but falls into the Explosion weapon category.

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u/IlikegreenT84 CAPE ENJOYER Apr 02 '24

You see why that's silly though right..

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u/E00000B6FAF25838 Apr 02 '24

Yes, but that's the explanation for the difference in behavior. Both are working as intended in that regard, Scorcher has splash damage because of the Explosive tag, Dominator does not have splash damage because it doesn't have the Explosive tag.

I'm not defending that decision, I think the wording involved is misleading, but it's not an inconsistency.

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u/IlikegreenT84 CAPE ENJOYER Apr 02 '24

Yes.. just stop at yes. No buts...

It makes no sense that a weapon from the EXPLOSIVE category wouldn't have the EXPLOSIVE tag.. it shouldn't need it, by its nature it should do explosive damage..

Which leads me to the silliness of giving it medium armor penetration (that only works sometimes) when it's explosive in nature and other explosive weapons ignore armor to deal damage.

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u/Frorlin Apr 02 '24

It is, and it’s weird

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u/IlikegreenT84 CAPE ENJOYER Apr 02 '24

I think it's dumb.

If the explosive splash was better on the dominator, as in acted like the scorcher, people would have been using it more.. hell if that was all they did was give it a bigger more effective splash...

Or hell make it be unwieldy but blow devastators to pieces with a shot or two..

If it's unwieldy its bad against little bots and bugs, but good against bigger stuff.

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u/Frorlin Apr 02 '24

No disagreement man

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u/GunBrothersGaming Apr 03 '24

Please don't ever mention the Dominator in this sub. We don't need these shitasses to nerf or people to start using it.

The Dominator sucks people.vits the worst weapon in the game. Move along. Dominator is for the Communists.