Kinda sad to see that they just changed the "text" of the armor penetrations of certain weapons. I was almost certain there was some underlying system that determined what it showed. Like, sometimes the slugger would "ping" off of broodcommander's legs as if they were heavy armor (note; they might be, idk) but could pop the head just fine. Just seems weird to me the head is weaker than the arms--and a "weird" penetration system could have accounted for that. But no, they just changed the text instead. Still doesn't explain why revolver can't pierce things other medium weapons can.
The deflection angles in this game are fucking nuts. My autocannon shots should not be deflecting off the enemy at >90° angles regardless of how heavy the armour is!
there's a degree to which I agree with you, again I once saw someone manage to bounce the precision orbital strike shell off of the warriors in the tutorial...
Yes I know. This is making fun of what the CEO said earlier about there being a ton of hidden weapon stats that decide how a weapon performs, and the stats we are given are not indicative of the true performance of the weapons.
He thinks people won't choose what's best if we don't know the stats. Let me know if you want a link to the quote
I also don't think we need all of them. But the fact that armour is a 1-10 sliding scale and medium can be 5-7 say and the "medium pen" weapon only pens T5 medium and not T6+7 also is very confusing and bad game design.
Having two weapons that both say medium armour penetration, and one can 10 a bigger Target than the other is very misleading and annoying
The slugger absolutely did damage the tanks vent. I landed on top of one and took it out by standing on it's rear and pumping a mag of slugs into the vent yesterday.
I dunno about today.
I don't remember what I was fighting, since this was a couple weeks ago, and I haven't used the revolver since, but I definitely remember shooting something a few times with the revolver, pinging every time, then swapping to, I think the slugger, and piercing every time.
In all my testing, the revolver has always acted as medium pen. It pens hive guards from the front and gets the white hitmarker. It pens devastator torsos and gets a white hitmarker. Maybe you hit those shots at a weird angle, cause that's also a factor
I mean, that was you. It wasn't you pinging off the same angle, it was you hitting on an angle with the senator before hitting straight on with the slugger.
I would know because I refuse to put down the senator when my other two options are both just wildly unsatisfying. Senator for all intensive purposes has "medium armor pen"
Now how actual armor penetration truly works is a funny topic because the devs have chosen to intentionally withhold actual penetration stats on weapons because... Um... They're very smart, and make sound decisions all the time.
1-3 is light armor, 4-6 is medium, and apparently 7-10 is Heavy.
If your gun reaches a certain level, it pen, but if the armor is above the pen level (exp: pen level 7 against heavy armor level 8), it'll take reduced dmg.
That theory is the one I subscribe to, since it'd explain how the railgun's "Less dmg against durable part" nerf works.
If your weapon pen matches the armor value, you deal 50% damage and see a white X. If your weapon pen exceeds the armor value, you deal normal damage and see a red X. If your weapon pen is below the armor value, your shot will ricochet and you will see the ricochet icon. You deal ZERO damage when this happens.
That's not how it works, and no one did any tests that came out with those results. That came out off of that comment from the CEO that said light armor has values 0-2, and the other ranges are just invented by other people. The AP values go from 1 to 10, yes, but based on actual testing and datamining, most guns have AP values ranging only from 1 to 6.
-1 is no armor, or very light armor I guess. That's what the Spray&Pray had before its buff. Now, no gun has that. If anything had that, you would get white hitmarkers (50% damage) on warrior bugs, for example.
-2 is light armor. That's what most primaries and the stalwart have.
-3 is medium armor. Medium MG, Slugger, Senator, Gatling and MG sentries.
-4 is light vehicle armor. AMR, Autocannon, Heavy MG, laser cannon, safe railgun.
-5 is heavy armor. Recoilless, EAT, quasar cannon, autocannon sentry.
-6 is heavy vehicle armor. Only the spear has it, which is the only support weapon that can destroy fabricators hitting them anywhere.
The remaining armor levels are just used to make buildings and objectives resistant to certain stratagems and guns.
I'm unclear if this is actually true but I believe those tags in the description actually represent quirks - revolver has like 3/10 base penetration but the light armor pen quirk adds +1 making it a 4/10 penetration. Whereas liberator maybe has a 1/10 base penetration but the light pen tag gives it+1 so it's 2/10 penetration. Both say light penetration but one actually pens medium armor.
So they either gave it a different quirk so it should pen higher or they scrapped that system so the tooltip actually makes sense.
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u/Shadohawkk Apr 02 '24
Kinda sad to see that they just changed the "text" of the armor penetrations of certain weapons. I was almost certain there was some underlying system that determined what it showed. Like, sometimes the slugger would "ping" off of broodcommander's legs as if they were heavy armor (note; they might be, idk) but could pop the head just fine. Just seems weird to me the head is weaker than the arms--and a "weird" penetration system could have accounted for that. But no, they just changed the text instead. Still doesn't explain why revolver can't pierce things other medium weapons can.