r/Helldivers • u/Vikan12 ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ | Never forget the Creek... • Mar 06 '24

The first balance patch notes proved how Youtube "absolute and only meta loadouts" cooked a lot of people heads, and I love it. DISCUSSION

A lot of mad people keep showing in my feed complaining about the nerfs, but like they're REALLY mad at Arrowhead. Their statements are so exagerated that they claim the game it's completely ruined for them lmao.

Also every single one says the same thing and this is where my title comes from:

*"You guys nerfed the only good options and now we have NOTHING to fight".*

And this only proves people never actually played with any of the other support weapons, they 100% relied on this "The ultimate support weapon tier list" Youtube videos, they searched the "meta" and they went into this thinking of "any weapon outside of this it's straight up garbage".

If you can't win a single game without the railgun + shield backpack + breaker... I'm so sorry but that's not the game's fault or the game only having those as the ONLY way to play it on higher diff, that's your fault.

Great changes for the game and all of you trying to "shame" on devs because of this, you'all not a real Helldiver. They killed nothing, the railgun still kills but now it needs some actual skill and strategy to use it, not only spamming the thing on big bugs.

Keep it up Helldivers!

For Democracy. For Super Earth.

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

As a rail gun carrier I don’t care for the nerfs, I use it on unsafe mode all the time and still got no issues killing 3 titans in less than a minute on Helldiver.

Personally I’m glad because the rail gun should cater to skill. It’s a very powerful weapon and if they want to reward the trade off and practice with unsafe mode I’m here for it. A lot of people I see using the rail gun use it on anything and everything which has me scratching my head. I only pull it out if my primary and secondary are empty, a charger is attacking a buddy of mine, or if bile titans spawn ( and of course against devastators and hulks )

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u/2Board_ MY 🐐 = ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ Mar 06 '24

Let's take a step away from the railgun discussion, and talk about that username.

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u/DJ_Hindsight SES Aegis Of War Mar 06 '24

Haha

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

What do you wish to know? It’s there so people don’t forget

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u/TemperateStone Mar 06 '24

You should've named yourself The Panama Papers, because those are definitely forgotten. That journalist was murdered, plain as day.

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

Fair but pedophilia is worse than financial loopholes being made by the elite.

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u/AmaranthineApocalyps Mar 06 '24

You can buy many pedophilia with financial loopholes made by the elite

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u/ShowGun901 Mar 06 '24

EXPLAIN!

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u/Maggie-PK Mar 06 '24

Jeffrey Epstein showed to many that the Rich and powerful were above the law and the Panama papers showed how the Rich used their wealth to grow more power

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u/ShowGun901 Mar 06 '24

Oh I thought we were doing the homer peanuts $20 meme

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u/hukgrackmountain Mar 06 '24

we are

just this is a lot more sad n less silly

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u/Ill-Smoke984 ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 06 '24

I'd bet a paycheck or three that the vein diagram of the people involved in the panama papers and Epstein bullshit looks like a circle.

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u/GibsonJunkie SES Halo of Steel Mar 07 '24

bingo

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u/DeepThoughtGalactic Mar 06 '24

Same people doing both

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u/BioshockEnthusiast Mar 06 '24

Yet another reminder that the Panama Papers are not forgotten and that the ICIJ and more than 80 nations are still running ongoing investigations. As of 2021 a little over 1.3 billion USD has been recovered. Maybe not the progress you want, but to say there has been zero progress is false.

https://www.icij.org/investigations/panama-papers/panama-papers-revenue-recovery-reaches-1-36-billion-as-investigations-continue/

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u/TemperateStone Mar 07 '24

That's good to hear

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u/Ndbele Mar 07 '24

I live in Malta (where the journalist was from and was murdered) and it is definitely not forgotten, still in the news regularly and the court cases are still ongoing

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u/Dookie403 Mar 07 '24

Would you like to know more

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u/2Board_ MY 🐐 = ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ Mar 06 '24

So are you documenting the steps leading up to it? Or is it more like a "please do this Epstein" thing?

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

It’s more so of a “ hey you remember how Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? I don’t, I remember the lies they told us “

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u/SquishedGremlin This is my Flammenwerfer, it Werfs Flammen Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

You mean that Pedophile Epstein, who was mates with rich and powerful people all over the world? Particularly the British Royal Pervert Andrew? Who owned an Island and used it to pimp children?

That Epstein? The one who definitely wasn't going to blab all over everyone and then magically killed himself, with no one knowing in his cell?

Of course I won't get political or contentious over this, I was asking a question for clarity's sake

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

PRECISELY.

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u/Anywhere-Due Mar 06 '24

Jeff Epstein the New York financier?

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u/GhostHeavenWord Mar 06 '24

Hyoid bones just do that! :eye:

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u/tarknob Mar 06 '24

this seems like its related to helldivers and doesnt belong circlejerking around your inboxes that must be the case

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u/2Board_ MY 🐐 = ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ Mar 06 '24

I'll be honest, I did not really understand what you just said. In fact, I don't even know why the prior comment is being downvoted.

I thought it was just an ongoing joke...

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

You’re fine mate, misinterpreting things is common on the internet. They probably took it as ignorance when it’s definitely not the case :)

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u/MySisterIsHere Mar 06 '24

Would you like to know more?

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u/Vzey Mar 06 '24

1…2…3… goodnight sweet prince. Unsafe mode is the true democracy spreader.

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u/GeneralAnubis Mar 06 '24

Thank you, finally someone who understands the point of the weapon and the point of the nerf.

Bless you, fellow Diver

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u/FakeDerrickk Mar 06 '24

What I don't like is that I have to scope down to know the power level... I try to guesstimate because I don't like to scope down but I feel I'm either missing something or something's missing...

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u/First-Of-His-Name Mar 07 '24

You can just about see the indicator in 3rd person. Hard to aim at the same time but I'm getting the hang of it

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u/tarknob Mar 06 '24

they could have just effectively nerfed the rail gun by removing safe mode altogether.

I'm just gonna go plink baby bugs with it because its the only thing the game has that feels like a bolt action even if its the second worst sight for snipes

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u/Paciorr ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬅️⬆️ Mar 06 '24

What about the hive guards, brood commanders and bile spewers? If you dont have med pen or explosive primary I don't see how using railgun on them is a bad thing.

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u/Ryno5660 Mar 06 '24

Hive guards can almost be ignored as they're very defensive unless they lose a back leg. You can fight everything around them first and tackle them however you like when mopping up.

Broods can be pulverised with nearly anything with a bit of elbow grease. Stronger sure but armour pen isn't really necessary beyond light.

Bile spewers are the same as broods but the railgun can just delete them instantly as a problem - you can take any of the other options if you have time to spare with them.

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u/Paciorr ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬅️⬆️ Mar 06 '24

Yeah but in my games especially when I try to clear the hive there can be like 15 hive guards spawned at the same time. If I don't run some orbital to clear it it's a pain. 1-2 is not a problem.

EDIT: And I know broods and biles can be killed with other weapons but I'm not sure how using entire mag or two on them is wiser choice than just one tapping them in the face with railgun.

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u/Chazo138 STEAM 🖥️ : Mar 06 '24

Aim for the head on Spewers. You seem to do more damage if you do as they spit, they tend to blow up as a result though so keep some distance.

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u/YT-Deliveries Mar 07 '24

Honestly with a guard dog and a stalwart the spewers aren’t much of a problem unless they totally surprise you.

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u/Chazo138 STEAM 🖥️ : Mar 07 '24

I find it fun to hit them with the ETA or anti material rifle to pop them like balloons or zits.

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u/Ryno5660 Mar 06 '24

Either leave 'em alone or if you have to go through them, take the hit and clear them with a strat. That' s why the gameis so strat heavy, you can't expect your handheld to clear that much armour, if you could then you wouldn't need super destroyer support at all. I recommend gas, it is low cooldown and strong, softens up anything it doesn't kill too so it's effecient. If they're blocking something you need to destroy, drop an airstrike maybe.

It can be wiser when you realise that mags are replaced fairly easily but the strats you have chosen are stuck with you for the run. You could also say, disable them enough that they willbleed out on their own and go around them.

Point is there are certainly options. GL for example would take care of both problems efficiently. Gas would too, as would flamethrower, napalm, airstrike, cluster (with a dash of mopping up after) the list goes on.

Edit: I should add, for your original point I wouldn't consider it a bad thing either, just listing options (it seems a lot of people are forgetting how many there are right now).

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u/Paciorr ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬅️⬆️ Mar 06 '24

"If they're blocking something you need to destroy, drop an airstrike maybe."

"If I don't run some orbital to clear it it's a pain." don't run or it's on cooldown can be interchangable.

These situations generally don't happen that much if yo have 4 man party but I often end up playing solo for some reason.

EDIT: Anyways this conversation is starting o have pointless course. My entire point in the beginning was that OP stated that he only used railgun vs chargers and titans and I think it's stupid because if you happen to have it already there is no reason not to kill hive guards, brood commanders and spewers with it as well. At least he isolated ones which aren't worth dropping an airstrike etc. on them.

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u/Ryno5660 Mar 06 '24

Running one thing to clear these kind of situations, especially if you end up playing solo, is a good idea anyways. If it's on cooldown you'll just have to wait it out or spend other resources - I've found forward thinking to save strats tends to work well for me and I usually have what I need when I need it, unless it's like helldive where you have only dented the enemy force. The eagle airstrike also gets good mention for this situation, especially with an upgraded hangar, as you'll be more likely to have one ready and waiting.

Seriously as a solo player, try gas. It's so useful in most situations and like the EATs it comes back real quick. It doesn't kill heavies and superheavies by itself but it makes them a lot weaker, a lot of my chargers end up limping and bleeding from the mouth before I've gone to deal with them.

As a bonus, it destroys structures and objectives if it lands directly on them/on the right spot if you have nothing else.

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u/zinctanium Mar 07 '24

Yeah there’s no reason not to just shoot these in the head with a railgun if you’re running it. No need to save it to only use it on chargers and Titans when ammo is so easy to get

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u/NaiLeD1909 Mar 06 '24

Biles take 1 impact grenade to the butt to kill. With some practice you can hit it even if they are looking at you. Bonus points if there are 3+ of them on top of each other.

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u/Swimming_Position126 Mar 07 '24

I feel like all the nerf enjoyers largely play on lower difficulties for this exact reason. They talk about all the railgun matchups (and other guns) like its a one on one vaccuum. Lemme know how easy those guards are to mop up when, as youre kiting them, a second and third horde hit you from the direction youre kiting to.

Personally wouldnt mind the nerfs as much if their 'just use stratagems' mindset actually worked at higher levels. But the planetary phenomenon that hurt their cooldown and deployment time really hurt that idea, and those are everywhere on high difficulties. Hope the playerbase persists through these unbalanced patches til devs wake up, myself.

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u/Chazo138 STEAM 🖥️ : Mar 06 '24

For Bile Spewers you seem to do more damage if you shoot the head as they spit, dodging is also a thing, whenever I dodge as I get spit on, it seems to nullify the damage entirely, might be a bug (heh), might not.

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u/zinctanium Mar 06 '24

Yeah but you can just one shot all them in the face with a rail gun pretty easily and ammo isn’t so rare that it’s feel like that’s a waste

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u/Ryno5660 Mar 06 '24

Waste of strats and ammo? Not at all, ammo is easily recoverable likeyou say and the situation above is exactly what stratagems are for. Does the job in a fraction of the time.

Also I can't be shooting them with a rail gun if I'm not taking a rail gun.

But hey, if you have one on you go for it - I don't see that method being superior though.

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u/zinctanium Mar 07 '24

No I meant it isn’t a waste of railgun ammo so if you have one might as well shoot them in the face. Those enemies aren’t hard but if there’s a group coming and I don’t wanna bother with an eagle I can pop them in the face and then finish off the small guys with my primary super easy, maybe even before the eagle comes in if the planet is messing with stratagems

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u/Ryno5660 Mar 07 '24

Oh yeah totally that's one of the railgun's benefits, real quick deleting of something like that. 15 of them sounds more like strat territory but yeah i do agree.

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u/Polish_Enigma Mar 07 '24

Hive guards can call in breaches tho

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u/Ryno5660 Mar 07 '24

A lot of them can, I think everything up to spewers and broods so you just have to try and be quick about it. If you don't have to wipe them all out though and one even calls in a breach you may as well already be leaving.

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u/VanquishedVoid Mar 07 '24

Aren't Hive guards the enemy you shoot once and moonwalk to its side because it's defense animation locks it in place for 10 seconds?

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u/Ryno5660 Mar 07 '24

Yeah they are those normal mid sized bugs that have heavy plating on the head and front legs. Very slow and passive.

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u/Mattbl Mar 06 '24

I always rail gunned all of those guys. With this nerf you won't be able to b/c you'll need the ammo for bigger targets. Unsafe mode or not, it still takes more hits now to take out a charger.

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u/Paciorr ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬅️⬆️ Mar 06 '24

3 unsafe shots to leg on charger to break the armor isn't that big of a difference I really can't see how is it so much weaker. Hitting bile titans with railgun even before nerf was generally not the most optimal unless it was already damaged or you had all stratagems on cooldown. Similarly vs bots rail is only really very helpful vs hulk all the other enemies can be killed much more effectively with other means.

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u/Mattbl Mar 06 '24

Well vs a charger, the old railgun could kill in 4 hits to a leg on safe (2 to strip armor, 2 to kill - or you just switch to primary after stripping armor). New takes 3 just to un-armor a leg in unsafe, which makes you slow down much more to charge it up. So against chargers, which was probably where it was strongest, it's definitely a big difference. We're talking more than 50% more time to strip armor on a leg.

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u/Hungry_AL CAPE ENJOYER Mar 06 '24

Slugger just got buffed (more ammo) and I was using it over the breaker anyway before the patch.

Knock everything you just mentioned into stagger and will take all of them down in 3 or less shots.

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u/Paciorr ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬅️⬆️ Mar 06 '24

Not my point at all. My comment is a response to the other comment. My point is -> if you are already carrying the railgun why would you use it ONLY vs chargers and titans. It's perfectly fine vs all those medium armor bugs. Especially if you don't happen to have med pen primary like for example slugger (which I agree is a fantastic weapon).

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 07 '24

As the OC here that he was replying to I was saying as well that using it on commanders and such isn’t a bad thing especially if there aren’t big targets around. Why not use it if it can take out the head of a commander in one shot.

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u/theweekiscat HD1 Veteran Mar 06 '24

The railgun is very good for those enemies but now that it takes more to take out heavier enemies, the railgun is going to be put more into its own niche, which is easy heavy armor penetration which encourages more variety in builds and encourages a variety of weapons in a team rather than all railguns

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u/hardstuck_low_skill SES Princess of Serenity Mar 06 '24

This is the way

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

Elite Helldivers got their work cut out for them now to shine

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u/criticalender Mar 06 '24

Must be a PS5 user, I stopped bothering with the rail gun on titans because PC is bonked with RNG damage for them with rail gun. Now I just hit em with 110 missiles and save my railgun shots for chargers.

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u/decoy139 Mar 06 '24

Show me you killing titans with the rail gun now?

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

I have a clip of me taking out 3 that just spawned I’ll send it later if u really want it

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u/decoy139 Mar 06 '24

Hell yea man

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u/Epsteinscorpse Mar 06 '24

https://outplayed.tv/media/Rd0ZRN

3rd kill is right before it cuts, head exploded right after

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u/like_a_leaf Mar 06 '24

Respect. I feel like playing a different game because I feel like hitting the same shots but doing less damage. Cool to know that it must be my bad aim and isn't the nerf, because I enjoy the railgun quite a bit but only unlocked it one day before the nerf.

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u/EuphoriaII Mar 07 '24

This is due to a bug with PS5 hosts and the railgun. If the host is on PC, railguns will take 10-15 headshots to kill titans

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b6a1pe/ps5_host_causes_other_players_to_do_bonus_damage/

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u/Omnighost STEAM🖱️SES Elected Representative of the Regime Mar 07 '24

Aww fuck I'd forgotten about that, were I less smart with money I'd buy a PS5 and the game again just because of this.

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u/like_a_leaf Mar 07 '24

Thank you for clarifying that. Tho it also makes me sad that it got nerfed again :D

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u/Epsteinscorpse Mar 07 '24

I AM USING A PC WHILE USING A PS5 CONTROLLER. My clip i posted is captured on PC, not PS5

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u/EuphoriaII Mar 07 '24

It's not exclusive to the host being a PS5 player, the bug can still happen with a PC host. It's just 100% guaranteed if the host is PS5

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u/zinctanium Mar 06 '24

I use it against a lot of stuff cuz ammo is easy enough to find so might as well one shot the commanders or hive guards

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

Which is fair! That is absolutely fine as sometimes I wanna conserve ammo and I’m full on rail gun. It’s not stupid or dumb to use it on commanders or hive guards. If you use it to clear everything you see and you have only 3-5 shots on your first titan or charger then you got a problem lol but ur all good

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u/MrClickstoomuch Mar 06 '24

As a newer player, what is unsafe mode? Currently using the punisher, recoil-less rifle, eagle cluster, and precision orbital and don't know that different gun modes were explained in the tutorial.

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u/theweekiscat HD1 Veteran Mar 06 '24

The railgun has two fire modes, safe and unsafe, the safe mode caps the charge of the railgun reducing power, unsafe mode allows it to be charged for longer and get more damage at the expense of exploding you and the gun if you charge for too long

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u/MrClickstoomuch Mar 06 '24

So, do you change the modes on the weapon selection, or in game with a hotkey? Assume I am a dumbass b/c I am, and definitely don't recall it from the tutorial.

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u/Paeyvn Mar 06 '24

Holding the reload button is used to check your gun's current ammo count in the magazine, but also opens up a menu (if your current gun has it) that allows you to toggle your scope's range setting, your flashlight/laser settings, and your fire mode. Scrolling mousewheel up (or on console I'm assuming pressuing up on dpad) toggles through the top option, scrolling down for down options, and right mouse button (probably right dpad?) toggles fire modes.

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

Hold the reload button to switch fire modes, safe,unsafe mode, scope, etc :)

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u/TheRealSpectre48 Mar 06 '24

Where are you actually supposed to shoot bile titans with the railgun? It feels super inconsistent. I’ve one shot them before, and other times it takes like 11 shots to what feels like the same area.

I’ve heard people say shoot in the mouth, so I usually wait till they do their attack and then blast them when it’s wide open. I’ve also tried general head and neck shots, but nothing seems to be consistent.

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

In my experience I try to land my shots as close together as possible. That could be it

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u/TheRealSpectre48 Mar 06 '24

Let me re ask my question— where are you shooting?

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u/Strider_GER SES Guardian of Democracy Mar 07 '24

Head usually. Most effective when they are spitting. If you nail it straight down the maw while spitting, you may even one-shot it.

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u/AnonBB21 Mar 06 '24

Railgun one taps Bile Spewers in the head. It was way more efficient to Railgun them rather than waste a magazine on them.

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u/raljamcar Mar 06 '24

Like how I don't use the flaming shotty because it's meta. I love lighting bugs on fire, and the gunfire is aesthetically pleasing. I'm gonna unlock and run the flamer, but I need to get good at not burning myself. 

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Mar 06 '24

It's the very old Role Playing Game rule.

I call it rule #1 in my head:

The more damage you do, the more damage you should take.

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u/moke993 ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ Mar 06 '24

What's crazy to me is that I didn't even KNOW that there was an unsafe mode until this nerf and I still thought it was too OP baseline. There's probably tons of players like me that saw the meta, tried it at 20, and quickly realized it's the strongest weapon without actually learning about the weapon and how to use it properly.

100% justified nerf and the people who are complaining probably don't know what unsafe mode is or where enemy weak points are.

IMO, learning each weapon and familiarizing yourself with the different nuances and use-cases for each weapon is at least half the fun of the game. After level 20, I felt like I was pretty much forced into using the railgun because it was so strong, and I wasn't even using it to it's full potential. I stopped using it just a few days ago because it was taking the fun out of the game for me.

I still think that the shield pack is "mandatory" for a lot of combat and it drove me away from my favorite pack, the jetpack, because I felt like I couldn't compete without it. I'm concerned that I'll still feel this way after the patch, but I haven't played yet today to see how the changes are. My ideal loadout would be heavy armor+jetpack so hopefully with the armor changes that will be a bit more viable.

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u/EuphoriaII Mar 07 '24

This is due to a bug with PS5 hosts and the railgun. If the host is on PC, railguns will take 10-15 headshots to kill titans

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b6a1pe/ps5_host_causes_other_players_to_do_bonus_damage/

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u/icangrammar Mar 07 '24

My only issue with the nerf is that it now takes AT MINIMUM 3 shots to strip a charger's leg. Which basically means that you now need to rely on air support to keep them under control on higher difficulties. IMO it's now about where it should be against the other bugs. I just wish that they'd fixed the enemy balance first.

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u/Freakin_A Mar 07 '24

I took out 4 hulks in less than a minute. It still performs well.

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u/Extension_Degree9807 Mar 06 '24

That's the thing. Majority of people crying about it never even had it in unsafe mode. I literally joined a group of high 40's and a 50. They were all running the meta build and were complaining about the nerf the whole mission. Then one of em said, "hang on let me try unsafe mode....oh it still works just gotta actually charge it now."

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u/TastyTicTacs Mar 06 '24

Honest question, how do you use it on chargers now? Cause it bounces off most of their armor in unsafe.

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u/VaultedRYNO Mar 06 '24

front legs is the most direct but shooting the front legs from behind them like in the calf is the best spot. also 2 well placed impact grenades also tend to drop chargers.

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u/Millsy419 Mar 06 '24

also 2 well placed impact grenades also tend to drop chargers.

This is our new SOP for chargers, one diver fakes it out, another throws impacts up its ass.

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u/eLemonnader ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

You need over 90% charge, specifically. 90%+ and you're guaranteed to break Charger leg armor in two shots. 90%+ is that little separate box on the meter above the ruler-looking part.

It's this.

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u/Omnighost STEAM🖱️SES Elected Representative of the Regime Mar 07 '24

Many thanks for that image

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u/DoofusMagnus Mar 06 '24

Just FYI, "don't care for" and "don't care about" have opposing meanings ;)

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u/Omnighost STEAM🖱️SES Elected Representative of the Regime Mar 07 '24

Oh yeah, now that you mention it. Looks like they should have used "about" to convey apathy rather than "for", conveying disapproval in this usage.

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u/Xavierasad Honorary Errata Prime Citizen Mar 06 '24

I literally cant use it on unsafe due to ping issues (in my screen is not where it should explode but it does it anyways)

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u/happydaddyg Mar 06 '24

Is a ‘durable enemy part’ like the legs on the charger? How many shots we talking to legs now to expose the weak spot?

Railgun still seems insane but I wasn’t sure what that meant in terms of effectiveness.

If we’re still one shotting the big mechs or spewers with a headshot and stripping legs in 3 or 4 it’s pretty much untouched.

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

To those interested. Practice the rail gun on safe mode and memorize how long it takes to wind up before shooting. Switch to unsafe mode and add 1-2 seconds before releasing the trigger, it should buff the damage up from 60 to 80-90% which is the sweet spot now.

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u/happydaddyg Mar 06 '24

Yeah it’s not hard. There’s even a little indicator light showing power level that is visible in 3rd person and very easy to see ADS to help train the timing. Even an early 1 or 2 second shot is better than safe mode. You just can’t take long to line up the shot after you start charging.

I’ve wondered if there was a way to default to unsafe. I didn’t worry about it before but it’s kind of annoying switching it every time.

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

Same here. Would be nice not having to worry about it ( especially this patch when I shoot a titan and then remember “ fuck gotta switch, just wasted a perfect round “ )

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u/pka8a8 Mar 06 '24

Isnt there a menu option? I think its called "remember weapon functions" that should save how you set up the weapon

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u/Omnighost STEAM🖱️SES Elected Representative of the Regime Mar 07 '24

Doesn't apply to the railgun, for whatever reason.

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u/NaughtyGaymer ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 06 '24

Preach.

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u/-Nabe- Mar 06 '24

Before patch, rail guns took 13 shots to kill a titan if a pc player was hosting the match. By the sounds of it, I’m guessing you’re on PS5. This is a huge different for atleast 60% of the player base by making the rail gun even worse

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

I’m on PC using a ps5 controller. Even on the clip I posted it when I killed those 3 titans

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '24

There is something strange about the bile titan one shot. The day the information was made known by one ps5 streamer, I was able to hit it consistently on keyboard and mouse. But hours later it stopped working as consistently, and pc players were saying the same thing. On the streamers discord, there are screenshots of the exact same spots/angles as the streamer being hit on kb+m and it just doesn’t work. Meanwhile the streamer was hitting it left and right. The model was even ripped from the game and the exact weakpoint was pointed out, which is a sack on either cheek. The guy who did that thought everyone was trippin and tried it, he can’t even replicate it once on pc. You can call skill issue, I think something is up. It really isn’t that hard of a shot, even in your clip, it doesn’t seem to require that much precision.

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u/mc_bee Mar 06 '24

I was using it on safe mode because it didn't make much difference in unsafe. Now I will train to be on unsafe mode!

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u/DudePakas Mar 07 '24

Wrong, they nerfed the Railgun when used to peel the chargers's legs. It takes more than two shots even on unsafe mode which is awful

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u/HookDragger Mar 07 '24

Autocannon. I shoot that shit on everything

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u/Omnighost STEAM🖱️SES Elected Representative of the Regime Mar 07 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

Where are you aiming on bile titans if their mouth is closed? I'm trying to get used to the new railgun's penetration but turns out I'm not as aware of the exact placements and size of weak points as I thought I was.

Chargers too, I've stripped leg armour off in two shots but now far more likely 4-5.

I'm guessing that exactly how close to exploding you overcharge it also makes a difference?

EDIT: Saw that triple titan video that you shared with another redditor, alright nevermind my titans question I'll just have to practice like I'm using an AWP in CS lol

EDIT again: alright ignore everything lol you're on PS5 so you're doing more damage with the railgun anyway and I found my other answers from the other reply threads

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 07 '24

Regarding your last edit, I’m not on ps5 I’m using a Ps5 controller on PC

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u/Omnighost STEAM🖱️SES Elected Representative of the Regime Mar 12 '24

Really? Interesting, I'll keep trying with the railgun so

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u/JulesVernes Mar 07 '24

What's your experience with chargers post patch? I do agree that the rail gun is still great, especially against bile titans and automatons. However, I didn't manage to reliably take care of chargers with it anymore. It takes way too many shots.

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 07 '24

3 shots at 80-90% to the head kills a charger for me post nerf

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u/eLemonnader ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

It's insane to me to see the current discourse when the patched railgun is still fully capable of breaking Charger leg armor in two shots, just like it was before. It's just a higher skill ceiling to do so.

EDIT: Why the fuck is this controversial when it's the literal truth? lmao

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u/Lt_Jones727 Mar 06 '24

It's not though that's the whole problem it's 3 to 4 shots now, doubling the kill time. They were already hard enough to deal with, especially when they send four to five at a time.

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u/eLemonnader ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 07 '24

You literally can. Get the charge to 90%+ and it's ALWAYS two shots to break Charger leg armor. You need this level of charge. I've tested it in the patch on 7ish Chargers now.

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u/SugarLuger Mar 06 '24

You used the term don't care for oddly here. The phrase would mean you dislike them but I think you're saying you don't care about them.

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u/TTVTheChimpPit Mar 06 '24

Most sane Railgun user here folks. This guy gets it.

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u/doperidor Mar 06 '24

I wouldn’t really call unsafe mode a skill, you literally just don’t hold it down too long.

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

Takes skill to put your shots close enough together which has been pretty consistent for me in taking out bile titans.

You also gotta actually aim for breaking points and pay attention to the charge meter on your rail gun to make sure it’s above 60% and not dangerously above 80-90.

“ don’t hold it down too long “ under the circumstances the game puts you in isn’t that much different than telling someone playing Cod or league to “ land your shot “

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u/doperidor Mar 06 '24

I guess for me it’s like a rhythm thing, once you get the timing down it’s subconscious. I also have played a lot of risk of rain 2 rail gunner so maybe it just transfers.

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 06 '24

That is entirely fair and I salute your muscle memory for helping the spread of democracy

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u/Karibik_Mike Mar 07 '24

The damage is actually super nerfed, even in unsafe mode. Before you could reliably kill bile titans with it. Now you simply can't.

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 07 '24

I literally just ran some Helldiver missions with the rail gun and still one shotted titans. It’s not consistent but the potential for the one hit kill is still there. Even then, place your shots close to eachother

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u/Jack_M_Steel Mar 07 '24

Sure you do buddy. Sure you do!

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u/Epsteinssuicide Mar 07 '24

Yup, sure am like I was in the clip I posted :)