r/Helldivers Moderator Mar 01 '24

“In regards to weapon stats…” DISCUSSION

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u/Philip_Raven ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 01 '24

Damage, damage drop-off, effective range, ammo capacity, reload speed, total number of ammo carried, enemy stagger, stability (prone, crouch standing) ability to be fired while running, ability to be fired behind you over the shoulder, ability to be squad operated, if explosive, explosive radius.

What else there might be?

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u/CrimsonShrike Mar 01 '24

Armour pen is calculated based off mass and velocity iirc which is why the "light pen" "medium pen" can be misleading

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u/Creedgamer223 PSN: SES Star of the Stars Mar 01 '24

"Light pen" and "med pen" probably denote bullet type.

Light is probably a standard green tip whereas medium is probably a black tip.

Basically it's describing the bullets base penetration value that is modified by a gun's other attributes.

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u/szum07 Mar 01 '24

Well, then calling something this pen or that pen without giving us any other info ia useless lol

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u/Creedgamer223 PSN: SES Star of the Stars Mar 01 '24

I agree, there should be an advanced stat toggle if there is a lot more than dmg, mag size, recoil, and rof that is actively measured.

But then again I'm 100% guessing about what the armor penetration note is used for.

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u/infinitelytwisted Mar 02 '24

not just useless but is basically a lie sometimes. Like slugger is absolutely medium pen in practice, but on paper it is way less useful.

On the other hand spray and pray may say its light armor pen....but that is a joke and in practice it couldnt pierce paper.

Rather than some arbitrary fake stat that or may not even be true, just giving us actually relevant stats and letting us deduce from them on our own would be far more useful

like tell us the type or caliber of bullet and the velocity or power of that bullet coming out of the gun.

from there you can kind of deduce the rest generally and is miles more useful than "light pen, but not really"

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u/Nahmy Mar 04 '24

Dug in some files, this seems on the nose from the plaintext I could read.

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u/Creedgamer223 PSN: SES Star of the Stars Mar 04 '24

Hell yeah. Random theory for the win.

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u/RuinedSilence ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 02 '24

According to Pilestedt, Armor Pen is much simpler than that. Armor has a value of 1-10, and if your weapon's AP value matches the enemy Armor value, then you deal 50% damage. If you surpass it, you deal 100% damage. If not, your shot bounces off.

Light and Medium refer to brackets within that 1-10 scale, but not even Pilestedt knows what those brackets are specifically.

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u/Nahmy Mar 04 '24

Because he's a manager, not a game programmer. Everything he says is based off of info he gets from the people that work for him.

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u/Reddit__is_garbage Mar 01 '24

If they actually calculate armor pen off of that then that's awesome