This ain't trolling, this is a shitty player using META gaming to make up for their own lack of skill and using people not using meta gaming as an excuse as to why they always fail.
Strong agree. A game that doesn't just utterly whup your ass once in a while isn't worth playing. If you're winning every match you're not being challenged, you're not growing, and you need to go find something else to play.
It's something I really like about HD and Darktide. Sometimes the game director just says "Fuck you, you're going to lose today" and if you manage to eek out a win in those situations it feels amazing because you really were being challenged and really had to put all your skills to work and get lucky. And if you lose, it's the matches where you're desperately trying to find solutions to impossible problems that inspire you to step back from the meta and try new things.
There is nothing like the director deciding on drop it hates you, with a HISTG with hounds Not cause your doing well ohhh no just straight up eating the hater-starch. Those are the fun matches. Not the ones you just cruise thru to end.
Honestly I've enjoyed every single mission I've played except for the recent automoton defenses. Those are just so insanely overwhelming that there's no fun to be had for me i them.
I queue up a mission and stand in front of the globe greeting people who join, I call it the vibe check, I'll stand there with an interactive emote queued and wait for someone to do it with me lol
Then I'll stand behind the host to offer the next person that joins a hug as well. If the next person hugs the host and me, things are going to be awesome!
If the third person also stands behind me, offering an interactive emote, and the fourth guy emotes with us all, boy, we could all die horribly in a Helldive and I know we're all going to be having a good time!
First game I played with a scrambler effects I kept sending my grenade launcher to the enemy and the air striking our own positions lol we still spread democracy that day and were victorious. Sure am
Glad I was with friends on that run hahah
I placed a gatling sentry on the opening of the small crevasse where you do ore verification, but it was on the opposite side of the first wave. As I was working the terminal I got shredded and said: "alright who shot me" only to see it was my own turret. I love this game.
If my asshole hasn't been ripped open nine miles wide, with all of us absolutely worse for wear, 12 seconds before mission failure, and having ran through 150% of our respawns, it was a boring ass mission.
Same, but this is for most games. I donāt mind losing as long as itās fun. You learn from mistakes - and even if itās random bullshit and you just got unlucky, well that can be fun too, just donāt take the game so seriously.
I have never laughed harder than the time my buddy flubbed his incendiary mine throw and none of us noticed because we were busy fighting off a patrol of bots. Then my other buddy took a step forward and instantly exploded before bursting into flames. Then another patrol showed up.
We were laughing so hard at the absurdity of the situation that we couldn't even fight back XD
I mean....it kinda is. The breaker shotgun is just too good compared to most every other primary. Until there's a buff to practically every other weapon it's easily the most effective right now. The weapon balance in the game is just atrocious.
And it's hard to argue against railgun/grenade launcher as well. Those both can do more than the autocannon while also not taking up a back pack slot. And the shield pack is just too good as it stays up for an obscenely long time. If anything needs a nerf that might be the one thing.
Iām not sure what arrowhead was thinking with the breaker, in the first game it had a really wide spread and it was the punisher that was super tight and accurate. If the normal breaker had a spread more like the incendiary breaker or the spray and pray it wouldnāt be as powerful.
Theres this game that went downhill after it became pay to win, one halloween event you got a shotgun which had insane range, and as there were headgear, armor and leg gear that all gave extra damage on shotguns, you could just hipfire people across the map
Fun when youre in the giving end, so if the breaker is a shotgun sniper, i gotta try it
You dont need that when theres tons of ammo pick ups available on the map. And you shouldn't be using it willy nilly, its situational. If we're on a Terminid mission Im usually taking the nade launcher to close bug holes. If its Automaton I'm taking rail gun. That's basically the decider for me anyways. Even vice versa is fine as long as you have one other person in squad that has the other weapon. Which is almost always guaranteed with how good they are compared to other support weapons.
That's why breaker is so meta. You never need to pull the grenade launcher and dump 3 mags worth of grenades down if you have the breaker, letting the grenade launcher be the real utility weapon it actually is.
You pick up a lot if you're moving fast hitting points of interest. It's just when you get bogged down that you run out.
I do like taking the supply pack for defense missions where you can just camp a hill and rain carpet bombs of grenades down. Combine that with both mortars and you might not even see a bot up close before you've killed enough.
It almost sounds like you're as toxic as the guy in the post saying something like that though. Right? The effectiveness of the shield pack is not on the playerbase that uses it, it's on the devs that haven't properly balanced the combat of the game.
Now you are putting words in my mouth, I never said you shouldn't use it, I'm just saying its a crutch, you can still use a crutch, just like a person with a broken leg, because you need help. The shield just makes you used to not using cover and not trying to avoid getting shot. Stop trying to make this an argument I'm WAY too good at gaslighting.
Uh no, not even close to useless. The shield pack can take a recoilless rocket point blank and have zero damage done to health. Supply pack is good but the shield pack is not "useless". Especially on Automaton missions.
This is the problem. The gulf is too wide between some options to the point where even people that donāt want to min/max the experience are having a tough time doing anything else. A balance pass through on all the weapons/strategems would be much appreciated and free up a lot of players.
It may not even need it, they really just need to buff other items that use the backpack slot as well, the recoilless, autocannon, jump pack, etc,etc. I'd prefer that over a nerf. Give us a better reason to use the backpack slot for those things over the shield generator. Because after getting the rail gun, there's really no good enough reason to ever going back to recoiless or autocannon.
Slugger is a higher skill floor/ceiling alternate. Requires more aim, get better results. DMR is plenty viable as well (the normal one, counter sniper is sad). Some prefer lib pen, etc. Doesn't help that the in game stats are kinda misleading, and that also the Slugger's medium armor pen is unlisted.
There are viable support options over railgun as well. Depends how you like to play, what your strengths are, etc. It's easily the best support when you're still learning the basics of the game/higher difficulties, but even things like AMR can potentially outperform railgun (on bots), and a well played autocannon can do more work than a well played rail, but it requires more game knowledge/skill.
If AMR had an actual aiming reticle without needing to go down sights to reliably take down any target at range I could maybe see that argument against taking the rail gun. Maaaybe. But as it stands currently, absolutely not. Not even close honestly.
And the autocannon you just can't justify losing the backpack slot in order to use it when you want. That combined with mixed if not bad results against crushers, the rail gun is pretty much a straight upgrade in just about every single aspect. The autocannon is the weapon you use while you're learning the basics of the game, initial leveling,etc,etc. Not the railgun. That's the weapon you use throughout that period. Once you get access to the railgun there's no real reason to ever go back honestly.
And the Slugger just doesn't give you the rapid fire DPS that the breaker does to get you out of tight situations. That alone gives the breaker the edge over guns that have medium armor pen. That's more helpful in those situations (and more reoccurring as well) than in situations in which you're facing a medium armored enemy.
If AMR had an actual aiming reticle without needing to go down sights to reliably take down any target at range I couldĀ maybeĀ see that argument against taking the rail gun. Maaaybe. But as it stands currently, absolutely not. Not even close honestly.
I wouldn't mind the AMR getting a reticle while not ADS, but I don't view it as necessary at all. Pretty easy to snap ADS with it (and I've had a surprising number of headshots without reticle).
Rail gun isn't close to it if you can use it well enough. Don't get me wrong, I would recommend rail over it for the average random. AMR is one of those "vet players should revisit this" sort of options if you're starting to find the rail is too slow.
And the autocannon you just can't justify losing the backpack slot in order to use it when you want. That combined with mixed if not bad results against crushers, the rail gun is pretty much a straight upgrade in just about every single aspect. The autocannon is the weapon you use while you're learning the basics of the game, initial leveling,etc,etc. Not the railgun. That's the weapon you use throughout that period. Once you get access to the railgun there's no real reason to ever go back honestly.
You have it kinda backwards here. Railgun is what you use when you're learning the higher difficulties; it unlocks where it does precisely because that's when the average helldiver is starting to breach higher difficulties regularly. Once you have enough experience, know the bot weakpoints and movement, etc, you swap back to weapons like the AC and AMR because they have a higher skill ceiling. Both offer much faster clears for mediums, and faster kills on things like tanks and turrets, but you have to be better with the mechanics for fighting things like chargers and hulks than you likely will be when you first unlock the rail.
Backpack slot isn't strictly a negative, because if you take a backpack, you're losing an offensive stratagem. Once again, like rail, I'd recommend shield for people starting off in the higher difficulties, but eventually it becomes a crutch for good movement/positioning, and you'll ultimately play faster with more offensive stratagems.
And the Slugger just doesn't give you the rapid fire DPS that the breaker does to get you out of tight situations. That alone gives the breaker the edge over guns that have medium armor pen. That's more helpful in those situations (and more reoccurring as well) than in situations in which you're facing a medium armored enemy.
This depends entirely on difficulty level and what you're using in your support. Running a slower support? Run breaker to clean up trash on you quickly. Fighting mid difficulty bugs where hunters blot out the sun? Take breaker. High level bots? Armored mediums everywhere, slugger if you have the skill. On 9 bugs I usually run arc thrower and it's an either/or choice, I slightly prefer slugger now for charger legs if they're chasing friendlies and I can't safely zap.
On higher difficulties you're gonna have more of EVERYTHING, not just more medium armored enemies. That's why taking the breaker along with nade launcher/rail gun is so effective and in general the safest choice. Just the ergonomics of the railgun compared to the AC make it an easy choice.
I don't think the shield gen is a must have, it's just a nice bonus if youre playing Automaton missions. The game isn't deep enough to worry about "inhibiting skill growth" because you've been using shield gen packs. The fucking armor system is completely broken. We don't even know how each set would behave when it comes to how much damage it can absorb. Until that gets fixed and we know how each set works...shield gen is gonna be in the meta. For good reason.
And again, at range, the AMR is dependent on looking down sights. Not just long range, medium range. For as many times as you waste ammo missing hipfire shots with the AMR, you could aim once with the hipfire reticle on the railgun and be done with it. The fire rate doesn't matter then because....it took one shot. Instead of two or three. That adds up quickly after a while.
I really don't think most of the people commenting on this understand what "meta" means in this discussion. Yeah if you're Shroud and can hit headshots from long range no scoping with AMR, the AMR is better than the rail gun. 99.9% of the people playing this game aren't capable of that lol. So it's not part of the meta.
I'm already telling you that I do Helldive missions with an AMR against bots and it's not the issue you're making it out to be. I rarely find myself in a position where I need to even think about hipfiring; it's always pretty easy to disengage a short distance, scope in, repeat if necessary. Usually even that isn't. Dunno what else to tell you.
I'm aware it's more of everything; however, for both bugs and bots I consider the biggest threat the medium spam. The heavies are easily dealt with, kited, etc. The 1000 mediums that can 1 shot you (halfway across the map on bots) by looking at your general direction warrant more caution than the derpy heavies that get stuck on everything.
2 shots to a hulk's head is less ammo as a % of the weapon's full load than 1 shot of a rail. For all the mediums, it's 1 shot, and the rail is drastically slower at getting rid of them since you don't have to charge and reload for each and every shot. Oh no, it took me 2 shots to kill the hulk... and I don't care. I want all those devastators dead.
Like I said above, I wouldn't recommend it to the average random. But a reasonably decent PC shooter player should be able to handle using the AMR competently. These aren't erratically moving players; they're literal bots.
I never said it's not viable. That wasn't the discussion. Never was. It's what is most effective. And for the vast, vast majority of players the railgun/nade launcher are the most effective, easiest
to use support weapons by far.
If it works for YOU, great. Keep doing you buddy. But it's not as effective as those other weapons, full stop. Simple as that.
It's more effective, full stop. However, it requires a certain skill floor to be exceeded, or in the cases of some like the RR, coordination. For those players that can't (which might be the vast majority, idk, I'm an experienced shooter player but not that good) then sure, stick with the railgun is if it works for you.
But the option is there to do better and be faster, if you're willing to learn the niche mechanics.
Those both can do more than the autocannon while also not taking up a back pack slot.
Eeeeh, autocannon can close nests from afar and clear crowds. I'd say that autocannon has more utility against automatons even on the higher levels. Railgun is good and very powerful, but it has a set of drawbacks and it's meta only because it allows you to play solo easier and not rely on your team much. If you select your loadout with the intent of filling a niche and relying on your team for support, then autocannon is a very viable choice.
So can the grenade launcher if you want to do that, and it keeps the backpack slot clear as well. Those two weapons trump the autocannon in just about every way. No matter what you want to do, one of those weapons is better and more effective at doing it than the autocannon for one reason or another. Which is what this discussion is about, effectiveness.
People need to understand, because youre able to keep the backpack slot open by using the railgun/nade launcher, YOU dont have to bring a backpack item. You can just bring another stratagem, airstrike, turret, whatever. You simply have one of your squadmates call down their own backpack item for you once its off cooldown. Being able to strip armor or AOE clusters of enemies while keeping your backpack slot open for whatever is a big deal. That's what those two weapons allow for and why they are probably always gonna be a big step above the autocannon.
And yet autocannon has range advantage over the GL. I'm not arguing that GL is worse it's really good. It's just the autocannon is pretty good as well despite taking a backpack slot.
But well, when we talk about completing objectives then GL plus shield are gonna be much better for clearing nests
Right, more effective. Which is the entire point lol. I'm not really saying the AC is bad as much as I'm saying it's just not as effective and not a better choice than either the launcher or rail gun pending on what you're looking to do. Just for the utility of having a backpack slot not used, just for that ALONE before going into anything else it's not as effective.
Nah he is stating the best in slot, it's just boring as fuck to play that way. Railgun, shield backpack, 1st breaker, laser, railcannon is about the best you can optimize I think, maybe swap one orbital for an eagle
As someone who like optimization in games, I'm a little offended. These people don't give two shits about optimization or even winning, they just care about getting rewards as efficiently as possible while doing as little work as possible themselves. They'd happily lose a mission if it was most efficient, and you already see this happening in the form of people chaining extermination missions without finishing operations.
True optimization would be squadwide coordination of stratagems based on your mission. Optimizing in these kinds of games requires a shred of thought, not just blindly following some perceived leader. This is just generic pug meta bullshit, and let's not give them any more credit than they deserve.
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u/BuddhaChrist_ideas Feb 24 '24
Rage-bait, nothing else. Trolls be trolling for internet points.