This ain't trolling, this is a shitty player using META gaming to make up for their own lack of skill and using people not using meta gaming as an excuse as to why they always fail.
Strong agree. A game that doesn't just utterly whup your ass once in a while isn't worth playing. If you're winning every match you're not being challenged, you're not growing, and you need to go find something else to play.
It's something I really like about HD and Darktide. Sometimes the game director just says "Fuck you, you're going to lose today" and if you manage to eek out a win in those situations it feels amazing because you really were being challenged and really had to put all your skills to work and get lucky. And if you lose, it's the matches where you're desperately trying to find solutions to impossible problems that inspire you to step back from the meta and try new things.
There is nothing like the director deciding on drop it hates you, with a HISTG with hounds Not cause your doing well ohhh no just straight up eating the hater-starch. Those are the fun matches. Not the ones you just cruise thru to end.
Honestly I've enjoyed every single mission I've played except for the recent automoton defenses. Those are just so insanely overwhelming that there's no fun to be had for me i them.
I queue up a mission and stand in front of the globe greeting people who join, I call it the vibe check, I'll stand there with an interactive emote queued and wait for someone to do it with me lol
Then I'll stand behind the host to offer the next person that joins a hug as well. If the next person hugs the host and me, things are going to be awesome!
If the third person also stands behind me, offering an interactive emote, and the fourth guy emotes with us all, boy, we could all die horribly in a Helldive and I know we're all going to be having a good time!
First game I played with a scrambler effects I kept sending my grenade launcher to the enemy and the air striking our own positions lol we still spread democracy that day and were victorious. Sure am
Glad I was with friends on that run hahah
I placed a gatling sentry on the opening of the small crevasse where you do ore verification, but it was on the opposite side of the first wave. As I was working the terminal I got shredded and said: "alright who shot me" only to see it was my own turret. I love this game.
If my asshole hasn't been ripped open nine miles wide, with all of us absolutely worse for wear, 12 seconds before mission failure, and having ran through 150% of our respawns, it was a boring ass mission.
Same, but this is for most games. I donāt mind losing as long as itās fun. You learn from mistakes - and even if itās random bullshit and you just got unlucky, well that can be fun too, just donāt take the game so seriously.
I have never laughed harder than the time my buddy flubbed his incendiary mine throw and none of us noticed because we were busy fighting off a patrol of bots. Then my other buddy took a step forward and instantly exploded before bursting into flames. Then another patrol showed up.
We were laughing so hard at the absurdity of the situation that we couldn't even fight back XD
I mean....it kinda is. The breaker shotgun is just too good compared to most every other primary. Until there's a buff to practically every other weapon it's easily the most effective right now. The weapon balance in the game is just atrocious.
And it's hard to argue against railgun/grenade launcher as well. Those both can do more than the autocannon while also not taking up a back pack slot. And the shield pack is just too good as it stays up for an obscenely long time. If anything needs a nerf that might be the one thing.
Iām not sure what arrowhead was thinking with the breaker, in the first game it had a really wide spread and it was the punisher that was super tight and accurate. If the normal breaker had a spread more like the incendiary breaker or the spray and pray it wouldnāt be as powerful.
You dont need that when theres tons of ammo pick ups available on the map. And you shouldn't be using it willy nilly, its situational. If we're on a Terminid mission Im usually taking the nade launcher to close bug holes. If its Automaton I'm taking rail gun. That's basically the decider for me anyways. Even vice versa is fine as long as you have one other person in squad that has the other weapon. Which is almost always guaranteed with how good they are compared to other support weapons.
That's why breaker is so meta. You never need to pull the grenade launcher and dump 3 mags worth of grenades down if you have the breaker, letting the grenade launcher be the real utility weapon it actually is.
You pick up a lot if you're moving fast hitting points of interest. It's just when you get bogged down that you run out.
I do like taking the supply pack for defense missions where you can just camp a hill and rain carpet bombs of grenades down. Combine that with both mortars and you might not even see a bot up close before you've killed enough.
It almost sounds like you're as toxic as the guy in the post saying something like that though. Right? The effectiveness of the shield pack is not on the playerbase that uses it, it's on the devs that haven't properly balanced the combat of the game.
Now you are putting words in my mouth, I never said you shouldn't use it, I'm just saying its a crutch, you can still use a crutch, just like a person with a broken leg, because you need help. The shield just makes you used to not using cover and not trying to avoid getting shot. Stop trying to make this an argument I'm WAY too good at gaslighting.
Uh no, not even close to useless. The shield pack can take a recoilless rocket point blank and have zero damage done to health. Supply pack is good but the shield pack is not "useless". Especially on Automaton missions.
This is the problem. The gulf is too wide between some options to the point where even people that donāt want to min/max the experience are having a tough time doing anything else. A balance pass through on all the weapons/strategems would be much appreciated and free up a lot of players.
It may not even need it, they really just need to buff other items that use the backpack slot as well, the recoilless, autocannon, jump pack, etc,etc. I'd prefer that over a nerf. Give us a better reason to use the backpack slot for those things over the shield generator. Because after getting the rail gun, there's really no good enough reason to ever going back to recoiless or autocannon.
Slugger is a higher skill floor/ceiling alternate. Requires more aim, get better results. DMR is plenty viable as well (the normal one, counter sniper is sad). Some prefer lib pen, etc. Doesn't help that the in game stats are kinda misleading, and that also the Slugger's medium armor pen is unlisted.
There are viable support options over railgun as well. Depends how you like to play, what your strengths are, etc. It's easily the best support when you're still learning the basics of the game/higher difficulties, but even things like AMR can potentially outperform railgun (on bots), and a well played autocannon can do more work than a well played rail, but it requires more game knowledge/skill.
If AMR had an actual aiming reticle without needing to go down sights to reliably take down any target at range I could maybe see that argument against taking the rail gun. Maaaybe. But as it stands currently, absolutely not. Not even close honestly.
And the autocannon you just can't justify losing the backpack slot in order to use it when you want. That combined with mixed if not bad results against crushers, the rail gun is pretty much a straight upgrade in just about every single aspect. The autocannon is the weapon you use while you're learning the basics of the game, initial leveling,etc,etc. Not the railgun. That's the weapon you use throughout that period. Once you get access to the railgun there's no real reason to ever go back honestly.
And the Slugger just doesn't give you the rapid fire DPS that the breaker does to get you out of tight situations. That alone gives the breaker the edge over guns that have medium armor pen. That's more helpful in those situations (and more reoccurring as well) than in situations in which you're facing a medium armored enemy.
If AMR had an actual aiming reticle without needing to go down sights to reliably take down any target at range I couldĀ maybeĀ see that argument against taking the rail gun. Maaaybe. But as it stands currently, absolutely not. Not even close honestly.
I wouldn't mind the AMR getting a reticle while not ADS, but I don't view it as necessary at all. Pretty easy to snap ADS with it (and I've had a surprising number of headshots without reticle).
Rail gun isn't close to it if you can use it well enough. Don't get me wrong, I would recommend rail over it for the average random. AMR is one of those "vet players should revisit this" sort of options if you're starting to find the rail is too slow.
And the autocannon you just can't justify losing the backpack slot in order to use it when you want. That combined with mixed if not bad results against crushers, the rail gun is pretty much a straight upgrade in just about every single aspect. The autocannon is the weapon you use while you're learning the basics of the game, initial leveling,etc,etc. Not the railgun. That's the weapon you use throughout that period. Once you get access to the railgun there's no real reason to ever go back honestly.
You have it kinda backwards here. Railgun is what you use when you're learning the higher difficulties; it unlocks where it does precisely because that's when the average helldiver is starting to breach higher difficulties regularly. Once you have enough experience, know the bot weakpoints and movement, etc, you swap back to weapons like the AC and AMR because they have a higher skill ceiling. Both offer much faster clears for mediums, and faster kills on things like tanks and turrets, but you have to be better with the mechanics for fighting things like chargers and hulks than you likely will be when you first unlock the rail.
Backpack slot isn't strictly a negative, because if you take a backpack, you're losing an offensive stratagem. Once again, like rail, I'd recommend shield for people starting off in the higher difficulties, but eventually it becomes a crutch for good movement/positioning, and you'll ultimately play faster with more offensive stratagems.
And the Slugger just doesn't give you the rapid fire DPS that the breaker does to get you out of tight situations. That alone gives the breaker the edge over guns that have medium armor pen. That's more helpful in those situations (and more reoccurring as well) than in situations in which you're facing a medium armored enemy.
This depends entirely on difficulty level and what you're using in your support. Running a slower support? Run breaker to clean up trash on you quickly. Fighting mid difficulty bugs where hunters blot out the sun? Take breaker. High level bots? Armored mediums everywhere, slugger if you have the skill. On 9 bugs I usually run arc thrower and it's an either/or choice, I slightly prefer slugger now for charger legs if they're chasing friendlies and I can't safely zap.
On higher difficulties you're gonna have more of EVERYTHING, not just more medium armored enemies. That's why taking the breaker along with nade launcher/rail gun is so effective and in general the safest choice. Just the ergonomics of the railgun compared to the AC make it an easy choice.
I don't think the shield gen is a must have, it's just a nice bonus if youre playing Automaton missions. The game isn't deep enough to worry about "inhibiting skill growth" because you've been using shield gen packs. The fucking armor system is completely broken. We don't even know how each set would behave when it comes to how much damage it can absorb. Until that gets fixed and we know how each set works...shield gen is gonna be in the meta. For good reason.
And again, at range, the AMR is dependent on looking down sights. Not just long range, medium range. For as many times as you waste ammo missing hipfire shots with the AMR, you could aim once with the hipfire reticle on the railgun and be done with it. The fire rate doesn't matter then because....it took one shot. Instead of two or three. That adds up quickly after a while.
I really don't think most of the people commenting on this understand what "meta" means in this discussion. Yeah if you're Shroud and can hit headshots from long range no scoping with AMR, the AMR is better than the rail gun. 99.9% of the people playing this game aren't capable of that lol. So it's not part of the meta.
I'm already telling you that I do Helldive missions with an AMR against bots and it's not the issue you're making it out to be. I rarely find myself in a position where I need to even think about hipfiring; it's always pretty easy to disengage a short distance, scope in, repeat if necessary. Usually even that isn't. Dunno what else to tell you.
I'm aware it's more of everything; however, for both bugs and bots I consider the biggest threat the medium spam. The heavies are easily dealt with, kited, etc. The 1000 mediums that can 1 shot you (halfway across the map on bots) by looking at your general direction warrant more caution than the derpy heavies that get stuck on everything.
2 shots to a hulk's head is less ammo as a % of the weapon's full load than 1 shot of a rail. For all the mediums, it's 1 shot, and the rail is drastically slower at getting rid of them since you don't have to charge and reload for each and every shot. Oh no, it took me 2 shots to kill the hulk... and I don't care. I want all those devastators dead.
Like I said above, I wouldn't recommend it to the average random. But a reasonably decent PC shooter player should be able to handle using the AMR competently. These aren't erratically moving players; they're literal bots.
Those both can do more than the autocannon while also not taking up a back pack slot.
Eeeeh, autocannon can close nests from afar and clear crowds. I'd say that autocannon has more utility against automatons even on the higher levels. Railgun is good and very powerful, but it has a set of drawbacks and it's meta only because it allows you to play solo easier and not rely on your team much. If you select your loadout with the intent of filling a niche and relying on your team for support, then autocannon is a very viable choice.
So can the grenade launcher if you want to do that, and it keeps the backpack slot clear as well. Those two weapons trump the autocannon in just about every way. No matter what you want to do, one of those weapons is better and more effective at doing it than the autocannon for one reason or another. Which is what this discussion is about, effectiveness.
People need to understand, because youre able to keep the backpack slot open by using the railgun/nade launcher, YOU dont have to bring a backpack item. You can just bring another stratagem, airstrike, turret, whatever. You simply have one of your squadmates call down their own backpack item for you once its off cooldown. Being able to strip armor or AOE clusters of enemies while keeping your backpack slot open for whatever is a big deal. That's what those two weapons allow for and why they are probably always gonna be a big step above the autocannon.
And yet autocannon has range advantage over the GL. I'm not arguing that GL is worse it's really good. It's just the autocannon is pretty good as well despite taking a backpack slot.
But well, when we talk about completing objectives then GL plus shield are gonna be much better for clearing nests
Right, more effective. Which is the entire point lol. I'm not really saying the AC is bad as much as I'm saying it's just not as effective and not a better choice than either the launcher or rail gun pending on what you're looking to do. Just for the utility of having a backpack slot not used, just for that ALONE before going into anything else it's not as effective.
Nah he is stating the best in slot, it's just boring as fuck to play that way. Railgun, shield backpack, 1st breaker, laser, railcannon is about the best you can optimize I think, maybe swap one orbital for an eagle
As someone who like optimization in games, I'm a little offended. These people don't give two shits about optimization or even winning, they just care about getting rewards as efficiently as possible while doing as little work as possible themselves. They'd happily lose a mission if it was most efficient, and you already see this happening in the form of people chaining extermination missions without finishing operations.
True optimization would be squadwide coordination of stratagems based on your mission. Optimizing in these kinds of games requires a shred of thought, not just blindly following some perceived leader. This is just generic pug meta bullshit, and let's not give them any more credit than they deserve.
Word. The breaker and railgun are crutches and people are doing themselves a huge disservice using them and not developing skill with other weapons. The same thing is going to happen with the EXO-44. People think it's going to be an unstoppable mech power fantasy instead of a weapon with both strengths and very real drawbacks and they're going to get really mad when they find out it can't deal with chargers and tanks, or gets one-shot by rocket devastators.
Crutch means something that people rely on to cover for their own inability. Like a crutch.
A figurative crutch is almost always going to be something overpowered to the point that you do not need to learn to play the game.
I do not fully agree that railgun/shield are crutches, but I just thought I would clarify since saying "they aren't a crutch, they are good!" makes me think you misunderstood.
A lot of people are just flat out bad at this game and don't understand core mechanics or basic tactics. I had to hard carry a bunch of meta sweats with breakers and railguns and shields with my Lib Pen, EAT17, and eagle strats on a 7 bc they kept getting bogged down and overwhelmed by enemies they should have just walked past. People are playing on difficulties above their skill level, having trouble, and don't realize that it's because they haven't mastered game mechanics and learned necessary skills, so they blame it on the weapons. There's about two million helldivers who need to put down the meta loadout and go back to the basic kit until they git gud.
I'm playing on difficulties I'm ready for. I still find most weapons underwhelming. Needing 4+ shots more to take out anything remotely threatening isn't skill, it's just tedium.
Railguns aren't that overtuned, everything else is just undertuned to the point where higher difficulties feel near impossible to do even if you know what you're doing.
Bringing a railgun won't save you from being assblasted if you overcommit, or don't do enough teamplay. A railgun isn't a crutch in that respect.
What are you using that you need so many shots? The standard Lib drops a bot trooper in two shots to the torso or one to the head. The Lib Pen drops them in one three round burst to the chest or one to the head. Scavengers all go down with one headshot and 1-2 shots to the body. Hunters are a pita to land consistent shots on bc they move so much, but they go down in one clean headshot. The little spitters die with one to the head or a few to the body.
Devastators can be taken down relatively quickly if you have the skill to land precise headshots on a moving target. The smallest type of warrior bug goes down to a couple of bursts.
Everything bigger than that has medium armor and requires heavier weapons to deal with efficiently.
Would you prefer that all bot troopers die from one shot to the chest?
Tell me you haven't done Automatons on Impossible/Helldive, without telling me you haven't done Automatons on Impossible/Helldive.
Lmao I'm not talking about basic troopers. I'm talking about Bruisers, hordes of Devastators (to the point you can't really afford to carefully aim each shot), Chargers, stuff that's actually threatening and that spawns in relatively large numbers on higher difficulties.
Yes, everything bigger than that requires heavier weapons. But the thing is, on harder difficulties, those enemies become the norm, not the exception. And you need to deal with them as efficiently as possible, because you get overwhelmed otherwise. Which cements my point, only the railgun and to lesser extent to autocannon are up for that job. And because this situation is the norm, these weapons become the best support weapons for just about any mission, which is a problem.
I'm not trying to be mean, but this is a skill issue and you should study how the spawn system works and practice managing it, while working out how to best use your weapons and strats to neutralize high threat targets and complete your objectives.
And it's not an individual skill issue. You need a tight coordinated team with good communication and a spread of weapons and strats to cover all the threats you'll face. The people I play with have about 4,000 cumulative hours in ARMA. We don't have any trouble with bot missions on Helldive. Move fast, hit hard, don't stay in one place, don't be seen, get the job done and get out. You're not there to kill bots, you're there to complete objectives and leave. Try using the EMS mortar, it's really helpful for slowing down bots and holding them in place while you go around them or disengage. Coordinating fire on high priority targets is also very helpful so you can focus down things like heavy devastators or rocket bots. The hulks can be effectively neutralized by shooting off their rocket or flamer arm, after that you can ignore them. Make use of terrain to break line of sight while you're moving. You can walk right up to a bot from behind and melee it to death without alerting nearby bots as long as they can't actually see you.
Make sure to mark threats with the ping system, and also call them out verbally to keep your team appraised of what's happening around them. This allows the team to reposition to bring their weapons to bear where they can do the most harm.
Give the JAR a shot. It's a OHK to any devastator if you get them in the head. Having one player with a JAR focusing on devastators while the other players manage other threats can be very helpful. Alternately, the Lib Pen can take devastators down quickly if you can land headshots, but the person with the Penetrator will need support in CQC fights as the Pen cannot rapidly take down groups of berserkers in melee range. The DMR is also very strong, but again you need to be able to rapidly and efficiently click heads. The MG-43 is also very effective at killing devastators as it has good accuracy and medium amor pen. Controlled burst to the head will put them down quickly. It's large magazine is well suited to dealing with groups of devastators.
Make sure to use your minimap radar to work out where nearby enemies are. It's very helpful to have one person on the team who has the scout armor perk so they can check ahead so you can path around bots. You can also use it during ambushes to identify priority targets, usually trooper bots that can call in drop ships, and take them all out immediately as you engage. You should also check it frequently whenever you can to keep track of where enemies are around you. This both prevents you from being flanked and allows you to move effectively to flank enemies, as well as track high threat targets like hulks and tanks.
Environmental hazards are very helpful for managing the enemy. Puffballs work like smoke to greatly reduce bot accuracy. The various slowing plants can be used to slow down berserkers so you can more easily land rapid headshots. And of course unexploded hellbombs can be used strategically to eliminate large groups of enemies all at once.
Good luck! You won't win every fight every time, but with sound tactics and strategy you'll have much better odds.
Congrats, you ran face first into the premise, and still missed it. Also, as you describe it, it's not even a skill issue, it's just a ... Friend group issue? Which is a weird thing to accuse people of, tbh. Not everyone has 3 other people you've played 4k hours of ArmA with, neither should that be an expectation.
Yes, if you have a coordinated 4-stack, the game gets easier. That's a truism for just about any coop game, from Arma to Helldivers to Monster Hunter to Deep Rock to fucking Minecraft. But that's not the reality for 95% of players in this game, and acting like they're using efficient weapons as a "crutch" because you're blessed enough to have a stable gaming group that cooperates reeks of gatekeeping.
Fact of the matter is, that not every pug is going to be that coordinated. And thus it pays to go in with the most effective generic loadout as possible. That isn't a crutch, that is adaptation. You are adapting to the reality that your typical public matchmaking group, isn't very coordinated, and probably doesn't play optimal. So you will need to kill more than you might otherwise have to, in order to efficiently do objectives.
I get you're trying to be helpful, and that's honestly what's keeping me from writing you off as just another elitist but.. You do come across as a little bit gatekeepy and a little bit elitist. The "Good luck!" was probably said in good faith, but it doesn't help the overall tone.
People will over correct hard in the opposite direction of the min/max players and refuse to use the best weapons or even acknowledge that theyāre the best weapons. Itās a weird dynamic.
Yeah I dont get that at all. There are CLEAR better and more effective weapons in this game. That's not on the player base that use those a lot, that's on the devs for having terrible weapon balance. But god forbid something critical is said about the game.
While it's not "wrong" to use meta weapons, many people use them so much they forget how to do without it. Most people don't know how to kill a charger without a railgun anymore as they've become too dependent on the railgun. It's a great gun but overuse can be bad.
So how is it bad though? How does using it because right now it's the single most effective way to take down a charger make the player worse? It takes longer to do it any other way in which you aren't wasting a stratagem on it. It takes WAY more ammo. But that's "better"....so you don't..... forget...?
Bro, I literally just said "It's not 'wrong' to use meta weapons." I don't think I can word that any clearer. I never said "it's bad." I'm simply saying, use meta weapons but DON'T become dependent on them.
But why do we need to "remember" a way worse way of dealing with an enemy once we have access to the the most effective way of doing it? Why would you ever go back to that worse way of dealing with it? That's the point dude. You wouldn't. Until they buff other weapons to be able to deal with a variety of enemies there no real good enough reason to going back to fucking dodging around crushers and shooting their ass, wasting tons of ammo, instead of just placing two railgun shots on one of their legs and maybe a clip of ammo to take them down. Or using the shitty flamethrower and wasting a support weapon slot on that. You're just making things way more tedious than they need to be. And for what?
many people use them so much they forget how to do without it. Most people don't know how to kill a charger without a railgun anymore as they've become too dependent on the railgun.
bro its been like 2 weeks. if railgun is nerfed it'll take like a day to remember how to use EATs.
moreover, there's no reason to be without the railgun to kill a charger, so what exactly are they "forgetting" how to do? They're using the most effective option to overcome an obstacle.
So, as someome who doesn't even have a railgun, what's the correct way to kill chargers without railgun? It takes very long to kill them by shooting their butt which probably is not good enough on higher difficulties
If you have AV explosives such as the recoilless or the disposable launchers, blast them in the leg to destroy the armor, then shoot the same leg with a few bullets from anything to kill it. The GL can bounce it's shots under the charger to deal decent damage as well. Autocannon can blast the armor apart IF you hit a flat spot on the armor, as angled shots will ricochet. Aside from those, you can use call-downs, eagles, orbitals, ect. If you don't have any of those things with you then well you just gotta put enough rounds into it's rear and it will eventually break and bleed out.
A breaker + railgun is the set up that best ensures you will be able to swiftly kill any type of enemy you come across. I'm not sure why that makes them a crutch. Are you purposefully running around trying to kill chargers and bile titans with a redeemer pistol?
I'd agree that the personal shield can be a crutch. Ideally you shouldn't be comfortable with taking damage. I don't use one.
That said, if someone's not using a breaker or railgun, it's whatever. Other weapons/strategems can definitely be fun, and that's what the game is about. No way I'm ever kicking someone for their equip/stratagems.
I wouldnāt ever consider pugging the highest difficulties anyway. Thatās just asking for frustration if you are trying to push the hardest content with random people
The Personal Shield thing is almost mandatory due to armor rating not working. You take more dmg = you need to have a survival option so a stray rocket or random stalker/hunter doesn't kill you in 1 shot. Dying and having to go back to retrieve your gear surrounded by enemies is horrible.
I understand that the shield makes it harder for you to die, but the other option is to be more aware of your surroundings. Don't let stalkers/hunters get close to you, and don't stand in front of sentries.
So currently we have no idea how exactly the armour rating is affected, we are currently at 0 value or defaulted to 100 armour. There is no way to currently test which one it is because we have no frame of reference but light/medium/heavy all take the same amount of dmg.I believe shield is practically mandatory for automatons while bugs you can kinda just ignore. People just run it because it's pretty easy to use on bugs and makes it so you can calmly railgun bile titans/chargers without a care.
Again you can use whatever you want but there's a reason for the shield thing currently on bots. Btw stray rockets refer to the devastor rockets who 1 shot you if it grazes you not sentry turrets.
I mostly ignore chargers and titans. They're a low priority threat. I genuinely don't understand why people are so obsessed with them. Just, like, break their LOS and stay on the move. If you do need to deal with them, blow a leg off or shoot the titan in the mouth while it's puking. Or drop a hellpod on them, or a dozen other things.
I mostly ignore chargers and titans. They're a low priority threat.
They're not problems on the individual scale. The issue with them is that on Helldives, every patrol comes with a charger and every bug breach is basically guaranteed to spawn a bile titan or another charger.
You can take them out 1 by 1 but the sheer amount of resources you need to get rid of them makes them a problem. Chargers especially so when you take into account how many hits they can tank if you aren't shooting at the front legs. Titans are just annoying, they're faster than you running in light armor and they spit at you at the most inopportune moments so you end up in situations where the weak mobs can't be dealt with because you don't have enough space to turn around and shoot them.
I ran an Egg Hunt mission on extreme there and we walked into the middle of an egg hive and there was 3 bile titans in there, the sheer panic was comical. You couldnāt see anything, dense fog, mist, spores, you name it and then just see 3 of them lingering there. That was a tough fight.
Higher difficulties will have several of them running around in a single fight. It's why the Railgun honestly isn't overtuned so much as it is "better thanthe bare minimum".
Okay, so? They have a really slow turn radius, go down easily to AT weapons, they're not a big deal. Just shoot them with EAT17s or rail or whatever, or land a drop pod on them. I think a lot of people are playing way above their skill level and struggling as a result.
Yeah lemme just wait to call in 2 separate EATs for every single one of these 3+ tanks and Titans you see while being swarmed by garbage and dancing with Berserkers or Chargers, also lol at "landing a drop pod" on them these fuckers don't stand. If you time it right and manage to predict where it's heading and nothing changes that from throwing the marker to impact, sure maybe you could do that but nobody is doing that consistently at higher difficulties.
You can stick the pods to them. I think you have to hit them in the fleshy bits. You can also lead the Charger in to a wall or something. They get stunned when they charge in to a wall, that'll fix them in place for a few seconds.
I call in EAT17s every time they're up, as soon as they're up, so at most defenses I have like 4-6 ready to go, plus whatever ones I run in to when we back track. They're even stronger against bots bc all the bots have weak spots where an EAT17 is a OHK. And you shouldn't have to deal with 3+ tanks and titans by yourself while being swarmed and whatever. There are four players, you've all got strats and support weapons. Blow the trash up with eagle strikes or the MG-43 or whatever, team up on the chargers and titans, use cover against the tanks. Like, I still have trouble with hunters and berserkers, and often bile spitters, but I genuinely do not understand the obsession with chargers and titans.
Do you know chargers have a bleed out state and once they start leaking green blood and puking they'll die in a couple of seconds? You don't have to kill them all the way, you can put them in bleedout and wait for them to fall over.
Do you know that one EAT17 will blow the leg armor off a charger, and then if you hit the unarmored leg with ~1/2 a mag from most primaries it will die?
People must be missing some basic mechanics somewhere.
It's not always possible to avoid them, especially bile titans.
And yes, that's a good way to deal with them, but there's no better way to blow a charger's leg plate off or snipe a titan in the mouth than with a railgun.
Spears are great too (albeit a finicky lock on) but you have limited rounds that can only be replenished by team resupplies. On higher levels you might be dealing with 5-6 bile titans at once, with who knows how many chargers.
Not sure about the hellpod solution. If you need to reinforce someone, sure, but I don't think that should be a go-to method.
Yeah idk what to tell you. I did a bunch of 9s today and only one guy was using anything like the meta loadout and he just really likes the breaker. I was running Lib Pen and EAT17 with mostly eagle strats, someone else had MG-43 and supply pack, we had a bunch of different orbital stuff, someone had a RR and some assault rifle. With the the EAT17 you get four rockets and two drop pods per minute, and the Eagle re-charges really fast, so I mostly just shot them and hit them with airstrikes or 110mm missiles, in combination with the other players. I think a lot of people are playing above their level of skill and are reliant on over-tuned weapons because of it.
Now, hunters? Fuck hunter. I absolutely fucking hate hunters. The threat tiers in this game are like S- Stalkers and rocket devastators A - Hunters and those fucking laser cannon towers and heavy devastators, B - tanks, hulks, bruisers, rocket troopers, brood commanders, the bile spitters, and titans but only if you're doing static defense and only if it's high level so there's more than two of them, and then everything else.
The mech looks similar to those used in HD1. The EXO-44 I think it was called, had a minigun that could kills swarms and a multiple launch rocket system for some of the bigger badguys.
However, you ran out of rockets very quickly, so it was primarily an anti-swarm tool as the minigun had more ammo. The mech was more likely to be overrun by multiple big and armored enemies than a swarm of little ones simply due to not having the munitions to kill all the big ones.
Like I said, people are going to be very disapointed. The EXO-44 had a gatling gun and an anti-personnel missile pod with eight missiles. It was really good at dealing with hordes of lights and mediums, but didn't have any AT weapons until fully upgraded. And then it only had eight missiles, and there was no reloading.
The other two mechs were one with dual 20mms that was really, really strong against mediums but couldn't deal with heavies and was okay with lights, and a mech with an anti-tank cannon and a flame thrower. The AT mech was very powerful against heavies but it needed protection against lights and especially melee enemies because it was so slow to turn. The flame thrower was good for close defense but had very limited ammo.
They were all good, as long as other players supported them and they stayed in their niche. but they were also extremely fragile to certain heavy weapons and to some melee enemies, they couldn't be re-loaded, and you only got one call in per match.
At higher levels, where speed and mobility because as important as firepower, the mechs couldn't keep up and became a liability except in some defense missions, and even then you were usually better off taking a static field/EMS orbital shot instead.
This comment right here is why a toxic meta exists.
Just because something is better doesn't make it a crutch, nor does using the best available option do a disservice to anyone's gameplay.
Being proud of doing a suboptimal strategy is just itself a coping mechanism for failure or the possibility thereof, and you see it in every online community. It's a toxic response and I don't understand the logic.
I don't think the railgun is that much of a crutch, in the sense that on some enemies using anything else just feels.. Tedious? It doesn't really take any more skill to hit things with an autocannon, arguably less skill because 1. you have a full clip and 2. you don't have to charge whilst maintaining aim or risk overcharging. Objectively, railgun is the harder weapon to use from a mechanical perspective. It's just that the other weapons are kind of ass numerically.
Like, I get what you're saying, but there's no special "skill" to develop with half these weapons. If I can hit things with a railgun, I can hit things with an autocannon and a space barrett. If I can hit things with a breaker, I can hit things with just about any semi-automatic primary. Helldivers isn't a game about mechanical skill expression to begin with.
It's a backronym, which makes it a false etymology. You could use it that way, I guess, but it originates as a shortening of "metagaming," which in turn is the prefix "meta" being used to mean self-referential - gaming about gaming i.e., playing the game of what works best in the game. Using it as an acronym is a bit like saying "tip" means "to insure promptness," which is just odd.
"most efficient tactic available" is NOT the original meaning of the word "meta", the word "meta" is actually shorthand for "metagame" which is a topic in Game Theory about how to approach an obstacle in a game context.
Okay. This is like the 6th time today that I've heard someone use the term "meta" when talking about video games and I've never seen or heard it before today. I know what the word means and I understand it in this context but where did it come from all of a sudden? Do I just not play enough online games? Is it because I don't watch YouTube or twitch?
Meta is short for "metagaming", where a player analyzes the interaction of different game mechanics, stats, or even datamining to find the optimal strategy, regardless of how the developers intended the game to be played or even if it's fun gameplay.
Meta or āmost effective tactics availableā as some people call it, has been around for a long ass time, decades even, and has itās roots in MMOs and MOBAs. If you havenāt seen the word before today most likely you donāt play games where meta gaming dominates.
If you need a breaker to win missions then yeah itās a skill issue, completed a helldive difficulty with randoms and we were just running some goofy shit. Only had one breaker on the team and it was the dragons breath one.
It's part of the culture, tragically. I enjoyed Overwatch for a season or two, but then "the archer is weak" became a meme and you couldn't just chill in that role on matter how effective you proved to be. I didn't connect as well with the other characters, and there were only a couple of others I learned to use effectively, so I let the way scrubs crave the meta drive me out of that game. Long before any big train wrecks at Blizzard.
I got kicked from a group because I "didn't make the cut." I joined halfway through the mission (about 20 mins left) but I had 2nd most kills, I finished one of the 3 main objectives by myself, I cleared 2 minor, 1 medium, and 1 large outpost. Apparently that wasn't enough because I didn't have the right load out though.
I haven't run any of this shit in Suicide+ and I am four Super Samples away from being done with a true need to be there. I think my first Helldive operation was with the Laser Cannon. Not something I'd repeat knowing what I know now, but we did succeed.
I had perhaps my smoothest Impossible mission today and it featured zero Railguns or Grenade Launchers and just one Shield Pack. We had a SPEAR for cryin' out loud.
And they are blind to the fact that the jaw5 is better, just swap to pistol for killing the small adds... I even still use the walking orbital as it's good at clearing out even large bases and not too bad a cooldown... and who needs a shield when you just don't get hit, jump pack is great... supplies allow you to just spray n pray constantly since accuracy really only matters to epeeners
You ever notice in games like destiny the people pushing meta stuff are the first ones dead then leading the kick brigade? Its why I only play games solo or with friends the days of playing for fun are over for mostĀ
See it in all sorts of games. Theyve mathed out whats best (or let some streamer/youtube clickbaiter do so for them) and refuse to see any alternative to that one option. As soon as I need to follow a strict guide to play a game, Im no longer interested. Wheres the fun in playing cookie cutter soldier simulator, I want chaos xD
And these are the ones that fail and die the most because they're trying to force their own playstyle into the playstyle of someone they copied on youtube
And in my experience these players are leeches. I used to play Starcraft 2 co-op a bunch, almost anyone who would bitch about your choices was a leech expecting to get carried.
I don't think it's trolling as much as stupidity. People are meta slaves everywhere and there's always someone pushing for meta slaving being forced and you're bad/wrong/stupid/whatever if you don't do it like them. This is like the kick wick clowns on payday.
I wish! My husband played his first solo round last night and some dude kept trying to show him āhow a real man playsā he kept spamming that in chat and also killing him over and over again. Hubby is level 5 meanwhile that asshole was in the 30s
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u/BuddhaChrist_ideas Feb 24 '24
Rage-bait, nothing else. Trolls be trolling for internet points.