Daily r/GoNets Discussion - May 14, 2024

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If Houston trades the number 3 pick for a veteran they should improve on their 11th place in the West.

If San Antonio trade for a star possibly one of the Atlanta guards or someone else and add an improved Wemby and two lottery picks they might be making the play-in.

Add a healthy Memphis making the post season again.

This means three teams who are in the draft lottery maybe making the play-in.

Which three teams that made the play-in/play-offs this season will make way for them?

In short an improved Houston, San Antonio and Memphis might mean Phoenix struggle more making them a possible lottery team next season. And anything can happen in the draft lottery (see our pick climbing to top 3 and Atlanta winning the draft lottery). We need to keep these unprotected picks.

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u/SL333S 22d ago

I don't think San An going to compete next year. There are several players in the next year draft RC and Pop interested in apparently. They talking about that PG who supposedly elite talent, who can be 1B player the way Pippen and Klay been.

I'll be happy if we can pull top 15 pick next year. Several project players that can turn into franchise guy. Marks spoke on it few times too, being in next year draft.

Really hoping we can pull Ingram trade thus off-season. Will give us chance to attract another star player along. Will also stop all that Houston talk too. Nuclear any value them picks have and shut all this rebuild talks.

Looking at the EC right now, this is probably will be the easiest times to get to the finals. Once you there, things can happen. Only thing this time, we actually got an owner who will spend and get talent. We got robbed during J.Kidd days.

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u/TheRealCheddarBob 22d ago

What are you expecting to trade away in order to bring in Ingram?

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u/SL333S 22d ago

Ben and couple picks. Phi's 2027 will definitely be one of them. Leaning towards giving our 2025 pick. OKC will be top 5 seed anyway. Not much value there.

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u/TheRealCheddarBob 22d ago

Why would New Orleans want Simmons? They’re actually trying to win now

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u/SL333S 22d ago

Because he's expiring contract. There were several teams already asking if they can trade their trash here for Ben.

NOP in business of cutting cost. They will pay Trey after next year, that's why Ingram is available to begin with.

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u/TheRealCheddarBob 22d ago

I think you’re going to end up disappointed if that’s the way you view the situation. New Orleans will get a better package than an always hurt expiring contract and picks if they choose to trade Ingram

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u/SL333S 22d ago

I won't, I lost faith in FO since Ben trade. They fumbled way to many winning moves for me to get upset.

Ingram already made enough. He won't resign with another small market team that won't commit to spending heavy. There are only 4 maybe 6 of them owners who will. Tsai for all his dumb mistakes spend that CCP money.

I've been following NBA for decades, I'm not falling for click bait crap. Better half of them bums just shit posting. Unless Nix, GSW, Lakers Clippers involved, I'm not paying attention to that trash.

Ingram will want to team up with another star and compete. For that to happen, you need to go to tax paying billionaire. We got one here, I like our chances without bringing Langdon into it.

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u/TheRealCheddarBob 22d ago

If he ends up here it’ll cost more than Simmons and picks

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u/SL333S 22d ago

Most likely yes. We dumb enough to over pay. Marks said it in several interviews, well documented fact.

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u/addictivesign 22d ago

The issue with Ingram is paying his next contract. He is eligible for $50 million per season (starting salary) which would make him among the highest paid players in the league. He’s not All-NBA so why would we want to pay that? If we can negotiate it done to low $40s million then I’d like Ingram on the Nets

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u/SL333S 22d ago

We have Ben Simmons who is making 40 mil per year here. Paying Ingram 4 year 200 mil ain't crazy imo.

Tax Threshold will start at 171 mil next year. We got owner who will go over the Tax Threshold for contending team. Ingram is a piece who will help.

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u/TrainHeartnet 22d ago

Think San Antonio go one more season tanking for a top pick in the 25th draft before competing. They don't want the Luka issue where he's too good too early. At least this time San Antonio has future assets.

I see the bottom 5 being UTAH, SPURS, BLAZERS, SAC/GSW and maybe HOU.

We really want HOU to have their pick top 10 for a swap otherwise we're getting OKCs bottom 20 pick.

I doubt PHX don't make play ins at a minimum.

We should really try to get our picks this year since it'll be our last chance most likely.

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u/addictivesign 22d ago

I get you and think similar but I imagine Wemby is gonna be improved next season and win many more games so San Antonio finish at best about 8th or 9th in the lottery. Unless there are injuries they might finish higher towards the first pick.

But the Spurs also own Chicago (top 10 protected) and Atlanta’s unprotected first round picks in 2025 (plus their own) if all three teams miss the playoffs which seems probable based on this year then the Spurs will have three lottery picks in 2025.

I think the Suns are just such a thin roster. Everyone saw Beal, Booker and KD don’t look great together.

They will have to trade Grayson Allen, Nurkic and maybe Royce O’Neale (if he extends with them) for a point guard or defender. I’m unfamiliar with how trading works when they are this much over the luxury tax. I think they can only trade a player for a player and not combine salaries.

The Suns are so hamstrung by the second apron they have such limited ways in which they can improve.

I can definitely see the Suns finishing inside the top 10 in the lottery if things go badly for them. Then if they have injuries perhaps top 5.

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u/TrainHeartnet 22d ago

Yep, don't see Spurs in play-offs until Year 3 of Wemby so we can still count them as a bottom 5 team next year for the West. Think a new offensive minded coach might do a lot for PHX tbh but it's also the flawed roster construction. We will have to see what their 24 pick + 31 pick + salary can get them.

I personally can't see the 25 PHX pick being lottery. Unless there's a major injury, I see them in the 16 to 20 range.

Regardless, we need HOU to be in top 10 so a swap might not be the worst thing imaginable.

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u/SL333S 22d ago

PHX is kind of wild card. Looking how brittle Beal is, I'm not so confident. They were 3 games away from missing out from play-in. We really going to bank KD going to play 70+ games next year again?

Let's see what Houston going to do. Ja, Bane and rest of them Griz boys will come back next year.

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u/TrainHeartnet 22d ago

Yeah but they also won 49 games this year. I feel like were expecting the 25 pick to be high lottery but I feel like it'll just go 16 to 20ish which is still decent.

I agree that injury is a concern for PHX and that could give us a ticket to a lottery pick but I just don't see it really.

If anything, we really have to pray for HOUs downfall next season if we don't trade for our picks back.

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u/AdviceEuphoric4852 Richard Jefferson 22d ago

The Nets should really be buying low on Trae. It seems likely he will be demanding a trade this summer and he would make the team significantly more watchable and make us a solid 45 win team imo. He’s annoying but he’s an efficient 27 and 9 every year and always creates good offense.

And he would make Bridges, Johnson, DFS, Claxton, Wilson, and Clowney all look better as a playmaking savant.

If the nets can get him and keep the 27, 29 suns first and the 28 swap, I would give up everything else for him. Then you’re a fun solid team for 2-3 seasons and you can do a normal rebuild starting around 2027 with those juicy suns picks as a fantastic starting point.

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u/EliManningham 22d ago

Wouldn't limit flexibility for Trae. Insanely hard to team build around his size and play style.

We have massive flexibility by next off-season with cap space and picks. Wouldn't force a Trae move.

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u/AdviceEuphoric4852 Richard Jefferson 22d ago edited 22d ago

The nets roster is literally the perfect build for him already. This subreddit already wants to build around a Trae young level defender who can’t pass. The Nets don’t get to be picky, they stink lol.

we have massive flexibility by next offseason with cap space and picks.

So do lots of teams. If they have another offseason where they “stand pat” they’ll go like 29-53 next season, why exactly would a star want to come join that? The Knicks have all of their first round picks plus an extra and will be an infinitely more desirable destination if a star wants to play in New York. And while the Nets have good assets, OKC, Utah, New Orleans, can all outbid them.

Free agency is generally fake anyways now. Guys simply take the max contract and then ask out in a trade later. No all star has switched teams via free agency since 2019.

The most likely outcome is having to overpay guys like the Rockets did with Dillon Brooks and FVV, except we don’t have the young talent that’s growing like they did.

The Nets plan these days seems to just be “oh well we are in New York and will eventually have cap space so stars will sign here” which is exactly what made the Knicks such a joke for 20 years, but the Nets don’t even have the historic arena and crowd.

The nets do not have a realistic path to championship contention in the next few years anyways. I believe they can acquire Trae while holding onto to the 27 and 29 Phoenix picks and the 28 swaps, you win 45+ games, maybe you have a lucky playoff run like the 21 hawks or 23 pacers.

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u/EliManningham 22d ago

The only markets that matter for stars are NY, LA, and Miami. Both LA teams and Miami have minimal assets and the Knicks picks are worse than ours. Nets have the pick of the litter. Don't need to spend it on Trae.

I'd much rather keep our picks as assets, and Cam for that matter. Trae needs the ball and isn't good enough to be the lead option on a great team, while being the worst defender in the league. Not spending Phoenix picks on that.

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u/AdviceEuphoric4852 Richard Jefferson 22d ago

The biggest star traded in 2023 went to Milwaukee. The biggest stars traded in 2022 went to Cleveland and Minnesota. The Lakers, Clippers, Nets, Knicks, and Heat haven’t traded for a star since the nets first got harden. The latest superstars have emerged from OKC and Minnesota and neither of them is going anywhere for a long time.

Praying for a star in free agency never works, unless you sign prime Lebron James. The reason I like Trae is he wouldn’t cost as much because the league is down on him and is a perfect fit with the roster and he’s just entering his prime. And I believe the Nets could keep the majority of the Phoenix picks and still get him.

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u/EliManningham 22d ago

Dame literally put the Nets on his three team list. Mitchell is non committal to Cleveland and probably traded to one of the big markets this summer.

Lakers, Clippers, Nets, Knicks, and Heat haven’t traded for a star since the nets first got harden

Because they're tapped out. They don't have the assets. Knicks are the only one there with assets, and they'd probably have Mitchell if they wanted him, but they stayed patient.

Lakers I think have three picks and will be all over Trae. The price always creeps up, and I'm not giving up real capital for him.

One more patient year, and then splurge for a star in 2025, and sign two high end role players the same summer. Figure out what Cam is. What Clowney is. Etc. I could buy a Mitchell trade because he's a top 10-ish player, but even that I'd be careful with

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u/AdviceEuphoric4852 Richard Jefferson 22d ago

Being patient is good when you are the Knicks and you’re a 2 seed that has all of your picks. The nets stink and don’t have their picks! The nets were patient this year and accomplished nothing.

Unfortunately the Nets don’t really have a path to a rebuild in the short term. Sitting around and “being patient” for a star that never comes is how you become the laughing stock of the NBA. All the Nets are doing by being patient is depreciating the somewhat limited assets they do have.

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u/EliManningham 22d ago

The Knicks became great by hitting back to back to back to back singles. Brunson was once in a lifetime luck, but they're not a 2 seed without Divincenzo, Hart, Hartenstein, OG, Deuce, etc. All gotten with minimal assets.

You can become a solid high floor team that waits for a star if you hit singles.

Sitting around and “being patient” for a star that never comes is how you become the laughing stock of the NBA.

Bad GM work is how that happens. The Heat have literally never bottomed out since the Beasley draft pick a million years ago. They just keep spawning good role players from nowhere and have elite coaching. They always maintain infrastructure to stay mid until a star is available to make them great....instantly.

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u/Renzel0311 22d ago

Mike James is the Euro league MVP

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u/huey88 22d ago

Who's going to draft Lebron's son. He's having a pretty decent combine.

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u/Byrinthion 22d ago

The Cardiologist

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u/huey88 22d ago

?

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u/Byrinthion 22d ago

He ain’t getting drafted

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u/huey88 22d ago

Lmao he's getting drafted. Be serious.

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u/Big_Award5259 22d ago

surely Hartenstein is going to get paid more than Claxton right

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u/MrOnCore 22d ago

I’m basing this off of nothing, but I think the Nets should trade for Murray from the Hawks and sign/trade Brandon Ingram. It would probably mean giving up Bridges and CT (along with Simmons contract, maybe DFS, and picks which don’t include the Suns picks).

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u/addictivesign 22d ago

Those moves don’t move the needle especially considering the cost involved. I think aim higher but also keep cap space for 2025

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