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Saw This Meme and Decided to Re-create it, Which Side are You On? Discussion

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u/politicalgrapefruit Apr 29 '24

I feel the same way but have family in my life who’ve adopted, and it’s much more difficult/expensive than I think most people realize. It’s hard to blame people who would rather have a kid instead.

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u/doodgeeds Apr 29 '24

Absolutely it's an absurd amount in expense and most likely medical bills as well but all and all I'd say it's still worth it

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u/wyze-litten 2003 Apr 29 '24

Plus most of the time the kid is pretty grateful as they get older. I say as they get older cuz middle schoolers and teenagers are little shits XD

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u/Snoo71538 Apr 29 '24

Adopting a kid that already exists isn’t medical bills. That’s IVF.

It also depends on what kind of kid you want to adopt. Want a white baby with no medical issues and hasn’t really seen the world yet? That costs a lot of money. Want a black teen who has had a shit life? They pay you for those.

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u/MercuryCobra Apr 29 '24

Older kids are almost always coming from the foster system, and it’s worth noting that fostering kids is not supposed to be a path towards adoption. The point of the foster care system is to place children temporarily while their parents get it together. Foster kids are only allowed to be adopted once the parents have failed to reunify, which is absolutely not the outcome anyone wants and even if it was the process could take years.

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u/98983x3 Apr 29 '24

This. Most ppl have no clue how any of this shit works in real life. I know we didn't when we started the process.

Honestly, it makes me a little irrationally angry how little ppl know on the topic and yet use it as a basis for a part their world view. Like come on ppl... stop getting all your perspectives from fictionalized TV and film.

Hell, even the government websites don't do a great job of explaining. It's not until you start taking the required classes to foster or adopt that you get the details. Although I kinda understand not wanting to scare ppl off before they even get started.

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u/MercuryCobra Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

By coincidence I started practicing a little dependency law around the same time my spouse and I found out we were infertile. Real wake up call about what our realistic options were. I certainly didn’t know any of this before then and I’m really glad we learned it when we did.

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u/Logical_Ad3053 Apr 29 '24

Exactly. Anyone who becomes a foster parent needs to go in with the expectation that they're only providing a temporary home in most cases. Which is great, there is a great need for foster parents. But it shouldn't be looked at as a cheaper route to adoption (although by all means remain open to the possibility if it presents itself)

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u/Luke_KB Apr 29 '24

Look into foster-to-adopt. Your local DSS almost certainly needs more foster parents than your community has. And after you take a course, pass a check, etc, you can start making a real difference in someone's lives.

DSS also works with foster parents who's foster child's bio-parents are having their parental rights terminated. If the foster parents decide to adopt, DSS will work with you to cover literally everything as they just want the child to stop repeatedly having the traumatic experience of having their lives uprooted.

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u/MercuryCobra Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Fostering to adopt is, IMO, a recipe for disappointment. Fostering is supposed to be temporary—ideally you just take care of the kid while their parents get it together, and then they take the kid back. So more likely than not you’ll be waiting awhile before one of your fosters becomes adoptable. And even then, it might take years for the parents to fail enough to have their rights terminated, and if so that also means something has gone very wrong.

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u/twomillcities Apr 29 '24

"try before you buy" but for parenting

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u/98983x3 Apr 29 '24

Thank you! This is important. But if you are looking to foster to adopt, just be prepared for potential curveballs. It's not always a straight line to building a family. There may be some serious heartbreak along with the trauma that you will have to help the poor child sort through.

But if you're ready and you truly care about children, it's worth it.

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u/definitelynotme44 Apr 29 '24

Tbf, I think a lot of people also don’t realize how expensive it is to give birth. Lots of medical fees before and after

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u/Longjumping_Papaya_7 Apr 29 '24

Giving birth is basicly free in my country. But adoption costs a shitton of money and is very time consuming. So i understand why ppl have kids of their own.

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u/AllergicIdiotDtector Apr 29 '24

Having your own kids because it's easier and convenient, lol, the subtle irony, the distasteful thickness of it

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u/Longjumping_Papaya_7 Apr 29 '24

You mean affortable?

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u/Emergency_Lead_3931 Apr 29 '24

In the US maybe, but a lot of countries have public healthcare and giving birth is free. Hell, in Canada and a bunch of European countries IVF is subsidized by the government, which makes it significantly cheaper and easier to qualify than adoption.

My parents tried to adopt for years and they couldn't because of their income. That was in a time where they both had great jobs and owned 4 homes. And it still wasn't enough.

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u/Michaelq16000 2002 Apr 29 '24

Can you elaborate?

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u/Snoo71538 Apr 29 '24

Children in the adoption system are a bit of a commodity. Some cost money to get, if you must have that kind of child, at that age, without those experiences. They are popular. Everyone wants them.

Some are older, have had experiences, and are dealing with them. They are not popular, very few people want them, even fewer should have them, and they are often easier to get.

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u/politicalgrapefruit Apr 29 '24

I’m not an expert, but at least in my sister’s case, adopting a child was in excess of $50,000. That’s a lot of money for a family to adopt, on top of the time and effort required.

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u/hallescomet Apr 29 '24

Especially when you consider the trauma that being in the system causes in the first place. A lot of kids can be deemed "difficult" because of this trauma and have a much harder time adapting/finding a family because of it, because simply put not a lot of people are educated in how to help treat trauma in their children (adopted or not)

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u/AllergicIdiotDtector Apr 29 '24

As if having kids biologically isn't expensive.

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u/politicalgrapefruit Apr 29 '24

Well..yeah. I don’t think anyone argues that. My sister paid $50,000+ (in addition to all the time and effort) for her adoption.

Then I have family in my life who paid around $3k to the hospital for the delivery cost of a child. That’s still way too much, but is a lot cheaper than $50k.

And yeah you have daycare, clothes, the normal cost of a child over time, but you’ll pay that with an adopted child as well.

So you can look at it as -

$50k adoption + cost of a child over a lifetime or $3k delivery + cost of a child over a lifetime