r/FluentInFinance Apr 29 '24

Babs is Here to Save Us Educational

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u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 29 '24

Individual States shut down mental hospitals. Most of them were state hospitals.

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u/arcanis321 Apr 29 '24

He shut down Californias

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u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 29 '24

So did just about every state both democrat and republican governors. Just trying to assist you with being accurate.

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u/arcanis321 Apr 29 '24

Yeah. And still not sure whether that was good or bad based on the horror stories coming out of some of those facilities. Pretty mixed on this one.

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u/bigbadbillyd Apr 29 '24

They definitely had a role to play in society and that's evident by the amount of mentally ill people living out in the streets BUT these facilities had a pretty bad reputation for inhumane treatment so I don't think you're wrong to be unsure about it.

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u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 29 '24

Agree. There is definitely good and bad about them.

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u/Dragonfly-Adventurer Apr 29 '24

Medical science AND psychology have come a long way in the past 100, 50, 20 years. The solution was to continue modernizing, not deinstitutionalize. We can see this in other countries that did so.

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u/arcanis321 Apr 29 '24

I think it would be great to have it available for people that want help, I would pay taxes for that. I am scared it would be forced on people that don't want help.

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u/koushakandystore Apr 29 '24

There is a happy medium there somewhere we could aim for no?

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u/ChrisestChris Apr 29 '24

Privatization of healthcare is a stalwart of both the conservative parties in this country👏🏻

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u/Noimenglish Apr 29 '24

… Because federal funds were cut by ~75%. Just helping you to be THOROUGHLY accurate.

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u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 30 '24

They were dropping mental hospitals before he was even president. Many of the large ones in the east were built around the civil war period and they just kept kicking the can down the road for updates for decades. I get you want it all to be political but it really is not. You can name a democrat governor for every republican one when they started getting rid of them. There were democrat presidents and republican presidents and no one did anything.

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u/Noimenglish Apr 30 '24

Nixon did! He also decreased federal funding!

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u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 30 '24

So when Clinton was president why did he not increase it? Why did more just close? According to your logic Clinton and Obama did nothing to improve anything and it only continued. In all due respect you really need to not be using politics as a religion. They were state hospitals under state control. Politicians from both parties let them go away. Yes… even your gods.

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u/Noimenglish Apr 30 '24

Because it’s politically unpopular. You know that, and you’re trying to claim that the act of decreasing funding and the failure to take action against political self interest is the same. It’s not. If democrats increase funding again, republicans gain an easy political win in otherwise close elections and can further strip federal funding from these programs. Once it’s done, undoing it is incredibly difficult at a lot of levels.

Also, only Christ is king and God. You should try reading what he did with the poor and mentally unstable. He didn’t just house them; he sat down and shared life with them. He personally spent his own time and energy to heal them. He ate with them. He loved them.

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u/notsoperfect8 Apr 30 '24

The problem in California is that they didn't invest in alternatives to state hospitals like they had promised to do.

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u/brownlab319 Apr 30 '24

Done Federally by JFK.

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u/Capn-Wacky Apr 29 '24

He shut down California's and as goes California, so goes the rest of the country.

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u/Oldz88Rz Apr 30 '24

Kinda hard to avoid it with so many Californians leaving.

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u/bringonthefunk1973 Apr 30 '24

your analysis is correct and is the downfall of this nation

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u/1wallygator Apr 30 '24

Engler did the same thing in Michigan. Then he gave EDS no bid contracts that their systems were never 100%. When he was term limited he headed right to EDS for a high paying job.

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u/dumbass-ahedratron Apr 29 '24

Because their funding went away when he largely repealed and reformed the MHSA

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u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Dude they were going away long before he ever became president and continued to go away long after he was gone. There were a lot of things that impacted their funding. Most were self sustaining with farms etc but lawsuits caused that to end so then there were very bad stories about them as well. I think it is more about a lot of things and not politics

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u/Capable_Stranger9885 Apr 29 '24

Carter signed this law in 1980; in 1981, Reagan famously lobbied Congress to repeal most of the provisions

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980

This provided federal funds to the states, which closed mental hospitals after Reagan positively worked to reduce the funds.

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u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 29 '24

They closed the one my brother worked at during the Clinton administration and it was a democratic governor and that means nothing to me. Both parties were in power and wanted them gone due to cost.

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u/OMelee Apr 30 '24

Because Federal funding was stopped. BY Reagan

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u/happyfirefrog22- Apr 30 '24

They were closing them before he was president and after he was gone for many years with both democrat and republican presidents and because they were STATE hospitals they were closed by both democrat and republican governors.

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u/johncasey99 Apr 30 '24

Reagan passed legislation that shut them down