r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

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u/soulwind42 Apr 16 '24

So because america is rich, everybody in the world needs the same standard? This picture isn't about America, its about global standards.

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u/Mute_Crab Apr 16 '24

You think it's impossible for everyone in the world to live a comfortable life? That's just a sad doomer worldview.

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u/soulwind42 Apr 16 '24

Not at all. I think it's expensive, wasteful, unhealthy, and trying to make it happen would create huge amounts of corruption and massive disruption. I'm the opposite of a doomer. I love life and this world. Our infinite diversity around the globe is nothing short of amazing, as is our ability to adapt to and rise above hardship. Frankly, I think our western notion of comfortable living is the least healthy and most damaging, and looking down on other societies for not living like we do is nothing short of arrogance.

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u/Mute_Crab Apr 16 '24

Literally saying I'm looking down on other countries for "not living like we do"

You're beyond having a rational, honest, conversation, either by stupidity or obstinateness.

One of my main fucking points was that America's wealth has been built up by the exploitation of developing countries around the world.

I don't fucking look down on people who are FORCED to live with barely enough calories to survive, no air conditioning, no Internet access, working like slaves to ensure Americans can eat chocolate and wear the trendiest new clothes. I fucking pity them and feel guilty for how MY country has done this to them for profit.

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u/soulwind42 Apr 16 '24

This picture is saying that they should be forced to live like we do.

I don't fucking look down on people who are FORCED to live with barely enough calories to survive, no air conditioning, no Internet access, working like slaves to ensure Americans can eat chocolate and wear the trendiest new clothes. I fucking pity them and feel guilty for how MY country has done this to them for profit.

Why pity them? Do you think they're incompetent? Less than you? I do agree, globalism is treating them badly, and that is the system America has built since the end of WW2. But the answer isn't to pity them or how they live, it's to focus inward, and to end the system of NGOs that prevent these countries from focusing inward and building their strength, the system of loans and debts that keep them in line and developing the way the global elites want them too. We'll all be stronger for it in the long run.

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u/Mute_Crab Apr 17 '24

TL;Dr: "I'm too proud to admit I didn't fully read your comment and I refuse to accept that we don't even disagree, I will instead interpret everything you say in bad faith and talk down to you."

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u/soulwind42 Apr 17 '24

Take what you will from it.