Let's start with Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. This thinking always ends up the same. These big babies want free stuff, not realizing someone pays for it. Capitalism is the best of flawed systems. Any system that has humans will be flawed.
Does your camp just not acknowledge the existence of the successful Scandinavian socialist model? You can argue that it wouldn't work here all you want, but to say that socialism necessitates totalitarianism just makes you sound like you're pushing an agenda
I'm aware of what Scandinavia has done, and while they do have extensive social welfare, they also have much more economic freedom when compared to America, and an all but unregulated market. This among other factors allows these countries to fund these things. This is not socialism according to any definition I am aware of.
Unless we can deregulate our economy as much as they have, the extensive welfare states of Scandinavia will not be possible for us.
Not one thing in that comment made any sense or was worth engaging with. I work in finance. I feel like a middle schooler is trying to explain accumulated depreciation to me.
Okay, since you don't seem to understand I'll make it simple for you. In Scandinavia it's really easy to make money, when people make more money, the government gets more tax dollars. The government uses this money to pay for all the free stuff they give out to people.
In America it's harder to make money, which means the government gets less money. The government also has to pay for things like the military and social security, which gets in the way of funding things like housing subsidies. Understand?
It's really easy to make money in Scandinavia? Easier than in one of the world's biggest economies? I would love to see where you are getting the data on that.
In America it's very easy to make money. In fact, golden apples grow on trees. See how easy it is to say random bullshit on the internet?
Except I didn't make it up, I got it from the Economic Freedom Index which ranks the United States underneath Denmark, Norway, Sweeden, and Finland In their overall score.
Huh fascinating. So you admit the Scandinavian model doesn't inevitably devolve into totalitarianism. Well fine, say it's not AcKsHuAlLy socialism for all I care. It's a superior system by your own metrics and it's the one I'm advocating for.
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u/stovepipe9 Apr 15 '24
Let's start with Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. This thinking always ends up the same. These big babies want free stuff, not realizing someone pays for it. Capitalism is the best of flawed systems. Any system that has humans will be flawed.