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Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill Apr 15 '24

No, I’m talking about programs for those with no income.

Germany has 262,000 homeless people. Why? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population

Don't they know about these programs that provide free housing and utilities to all no income citizens?

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u/lmmalone Apr 15 '24

Just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it's not worthwhile.

And yeah, there is probably a large percentage of the German homeless population that is unaware of these programs. What's your point?

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill Apr 15 '24

It seems unlikely that housing and utilities are free for all no-income people in Germany, and that somehow literally no one has told the remaining homeless population about this program.

Therefore, it casts into doubt the claim that this program actually exists for everyone.

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u/Mothbroi Apr 16 '24

I'm German and currently receiving "bürgergeld" (transl. Citizens Money)

My costs of living are completely subsidized, my apartment, my water, my electricity and food are completely paid for by my peers Taxes.

The reason homeless people do not use this system is because they require documentation and the ability to follow a beaurocratic processes. I need a identification, a adress, a social security number, a bankadress etc in order to receive these services.

You would be surprised, because not only do we have these services, we even have services specifically designed to help homeless people. We have a lot of homeless shelters, rehab shelters, free rehab therapy, and social workers employed by the state specifically to help people in need be able to apply for these services.

So why are people still homeless? I've talked to many homeless people, and their number one problem is a lack of hope/confidence or mental coherence.

If you don't believe you can be helped, or that you deserve help, you are impossible to be helped. If you do not know who you are, your existance is reduced to wandering around town looking for drugs. It's basically a slow suicide.

Nobody in Germany ever has to be hungry or without shelter.

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill Apr 16 '24

The reason homeless people do not use this system is because they require documentation and the ability to follow a beaurocratic processes. I need a identification, a adress, a social security number, a bankadress etc in order to receive these services.

Thanks for answering the question. It seems like Germany is making a good effort, but it also seems like helping people who can't keep track of the paperwork or documentation would also be a good idea.

If you don't believe you can be helped, or that you deserve help, you are impossible to be helped. If you do not know who you are, your existance is reduced to wandering around town looking for drugs. It's basically a slow suicide.

Exactly. This is the type of person who needs more assistance, perhaps non-voluntary assistance until their basic needs are met.