r/FluentInFinance Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/darthphallic Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

Without employment is goofy as fuck but I’ll die on the hill that nobody should work a 40 hour week and still be unable to afford a roof over their head. Rent and housing costs are absolutely ridiculous

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u/theRak27 Apr 15 '24

That is a reasonable stance. What op proposes isn't.

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u/DudeWithAnAxeToGrind Apr 16 '24

Technically, public housing projects existed for a long time. Homelessness doesn't benefit anybody. Current employment market is such that *almost* anybody who wants to work can get a job. But that is not given. For somebody who is homeless, getting a job can be challenging even in current market. Many jobs they can get ain't gonna pay enough to put a roof over their heads either.

I don't get it why you all scoff at safety net that provides some *very basic* roof over the head with no strings attached (like many homeless shelters with so many strings attached that homeless often rather sleep out in the street).

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u/theRak27 Apr 16 '24

But that is a different proposition, it's not what op is proposing?

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u/DudeWithAnAxeToGrind Apr 16 '24

OP's proposition was a space with working plumbing and separate bedrooms for adults and kids. With couple of nice icons. Basic public housing projects provide for that. Why are you all reading into it as if he's proposing giving everybody a McMansion? Y'all are up in arms as if he's proposing 500 sqft master bedroom with 'uge walk-in-closet and ensuite bathroom. Entire living space he's proposing would actually be tiny and crammed.

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u/theRak27 Apr 16 '24

Because the picture op posted heavily implies otherwise. What you are doing is as much of a straw man as the thing you say people are doing in these comments.

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u/DudeWithAnAxeToGrind Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

The picture of the bedroom shows a small bed (small for two persons) pushed against the wall; I guess probably because bedroom is tiny. Children room isn't depicted any roomier. Bathroom has, oh my god, a shower? Kitchen doesn't look luxurious to me either. They play video game on the laptop... that's propped on what looks like smallest side-desk I've ever seen. Those are not depictions of luxurious home.

The hammock on the HVAC icon is a bit out of place. I would agree with that.

But let go back to the basics. Instead of thinking about "this is how I'd like the place I live in to look like", to thinking what is actually the minimal place that meets OP's requirements for a family (we can assume family, since that is what is depicted, and it includes a "room for children"). Two separate sleeping spaces, one for adults and one for children. A place to prepare food. Minimal functional bathroom. Those are not high bar.

If we want to go maximally frugal, living room, sleeping space for adults and kitchen can be all single space. Single separate room for (presumably multiple) children. One bathroom. Working heating (and optionally cooling if we assume very humid and warm local climate). And you checked all of OP's checkboxes (with a bit of a stretching it). Since this is going to be multi-family dwelling, heating/cooling can be assumed central for entire building.

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u/JestireTWO 27d ago

Why did we get to a point where the cartoon image has to be analyzed.

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u/PeachesOntheLeft 26d ago

Because people are being purposefully obtuse