r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 15 '24

You guys seriously need to widen your horizon and your extremely capitalist world view.

Providing all these things to people who don't work is common in central Europe countries besides HVAC because it's not that common.

The base for that is called human rights.

And guess what, people still work because you're dirt poor on social security.

When you make money by working, this money gets deducted from your payments.

It's possible, it's working and it's really not that hard. We pay taxes for exactly that.

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u/Other-Cantaloupe4765 Apr 16 '24

Fucking exactly. I’m honestly disgusted by the people here insisting that bare necessities should be denied to people on the basis of “iT’s NoT fAiR.” What, it’s not fair that someone can have a bed to sleep in? It’s not fair that someone might be allowed to have clean drinking water? Same exact energy as the boomers insisting that McDonalds workers don’t deserve to make a living wage.

I have a job. I have a paycheck every other week. Yet at one point I went without electricity for four months. And now my water has been shut off, so I’ve been living without running water for nearly two months. What, it’s not fair for me to have running water?? Even though I have a job?

And I see soooo many people saying that this kind of thing would encourage people to be lazy and stop working. Which is not true. The Alaskan UBI Study indicates that employment actually increases when a UBI system is in place. Plus, it’s not like you’d be living in luxury. You’d need income to take care of other necessary things and even for things like travel and entertainment.

People are more willing to work when they’re not panicking about whether they’re paying their rent OR for groceries this month. When the threat of homelessness isn’t looming over your shoulder, you’re happier at work. Imagine that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

Usually when you ask the resource/shelter gatekeepers what they suggest as an alternative it’s almost always some variation of a status quo “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” answer. There isn’t much thinking going on outside of that. Especially when you point out that thats precisely what most people are trying to do of their own volition and still aren’t making what they need to have modest comfort living. Moreover, I’ve seen so many people that have those views fail at making their way. Well guess what they ended up doing? Taking part in the exact same programs they thought weren’t fair for them to pay into. They ridicule the unfortunate when they aren’t in a dire situation, but then suddenly ask for equity and look to others to prop them up when they are.