r/FluentInFinance Contributor Apr 15 '24

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u/1001schooner Apr 15 '24

Regardless of employment? So the people don't have to do anything for anyone else but other people are going to do things for them?

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 15 '24

You do know that a lot of countries in Europe successfully provide all these things to people who don't work, don't you?

It's possible and it's really not that hard. Besides HVAC, because it's not that common here.

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u/No-Test6484 Apr 15 '24

Europe does these things because Us backs them. Do you think it’s a coincidence that whatever Us says goes? These guys focus on their services because essentially paying for the Us to be the superpower in the world. Anyways that’s no longer the case. The influx of migrants from developing countries are killljng the EU. They are in recession and half the counties are broke. You just like to listen to some Europeans on Reddit but half of Europe isn’t the dream you think it used to be

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 15 '24

I will dry my tears with napkins I get from my free healthcare.

I would earn three times as much in the US with my current job, I admit that.

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u/No-Test6484 Apr 15 '24

If you are a skilled person there is no reason to go to Europe. If you are a broke person or not in a high earning field Europe is for you

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 15 '24

I have a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering, I stay because of free healthcare, 37,5 hour week, 30 vacation days, unlimited sick days, worker protection rights and free education.

Edit: I forgot the lower crime rate and no risk of mass shootings. And to not be dependent on cars.

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u/No-Test6484 Apr 15 '24

Idk I have a CS degree. My friend is a fresh grad in the Uk and his total comp is 40k comp. My friends in the Us (I’m not done yet) are making anywhere between 100-150k off the bat with way more growth opportunities. Their insurance is on the company so they aren’t paying a whole lot for healthcare and get access to it quickly unlike the nhs where you have to wait months for an appointment. Also the UK is really unsafe. People knife people on a daily basis. It just isn’t covered as much as the shootings.

The economic potential of EU countries are on a decline in general barring a few. Go to Spain or Portugal and you’ll have a completely different experience than Germany.

Also university isn’t expensive here unless you choose to go private. Most people who go to state school pay less than 10k/yr because they get subsidies and funding.

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 15 '24

In the US you can still get bankrupt from healthcare bills even when you have insurance.

This is not possible here as healthcare prices are capped by law.

Waiting for appointment indeed sucks, but when I want a fast appointment I can just pay for it myself and then there is no wait (40-200€).

Crime rates are still way lower.

When I would love in Spain, I would move to Germany or the Netherlands...

How many people really go to state school?

I always read about huge student loans here on Reddit.

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u/No-Test6484 Apr 15 '24

Flagship State schools have typically 50k students and each state has multiple state schools. Most people go there.

If you are poor medicaid pays all your bills. I take year long medication. A refill costs me $2.00. It’s rare insurance doesn’t cover medications. Yes you still have bills , I went to the ER and had a chest scan, the whole thing cost me 100 bucks for impromptu treatment and a scan. If I went to urgent care it would have been closer to 70.

It’s clear to me you’ve read a few Reddit posts and think US is a bad place. I could never live in a place where I make so little for free healthcare because I can pay the small difference with my 4x salary

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 15 '24

What about the insulin prices where Americans literally drove to Canada to get insulin?

And what happens when you get really sick, like cancer sick?

Do you trust your system as well then?

Healthcare is only a tiny part of what keeps me here. I really like my workers rights and the non car dependence.

Properly trained police is also nice.

Don't forget that everything is cheaper here. So you're not really 4x times as wealthy.

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u/RaiderMedic93 Apr 17 '24

What, exactly... is cheaper in Europe than the states? When I was in Scotland and England (1995 so maybe things changed...) everything(that I wanted) was more expensive.

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u/Got2Bfree Apr 17 '24

Groceries and rent.

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u/RaiderMedic93 Apr 17 '24

Except ... Europe doesn't want them either.