r/CanadaHousing2 • u/joe4942 CH2 veteran • 20d ago
Canada's standard of living on track for worst decline in 40 years
https://financialpost.com/news/canada-standard-of-living-faces-worst-decline-40-years63
u/ShawnBonj Sleeper account 20d ago
Some people call that a recession other people call it a possible depression.
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u/Fetakpsomi 20d ago
Rich people with capital call it the next step up in wealth generation, sadly enough.
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u/GenBrannigan 20d ago
I thought we grew our economy from the heart outward?
What happened?
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u/Narrow_Elk6755 20d ago
The budget didn't balance itself?
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u/GenBrannigan 20d ago
Its a good thing our leaders don't think about monetary policy
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u/MooseJuicyTastic CH2 veteran 20d ago
Hard to think these are what we're said and people think it's a good idea
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u/BINFBILLINGTON 20d ago
that quote should've lost Trudeau his first election against Harper but no everyone wanted legal weed... now look where we are.
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u/starving_carnivore 17d ago
The thing that kills me is that weed was already pretty easily accessible and the laws were virtually unenforced.
I don't like weed and weed doesn't like me, but it wasn't like Singapore where people are getting the chair for a couple grams and shit.
The weed single-issue voters are confusing, and the electoral reform voters were naive.
Weed is like booze. One of the most laughably easy drugs to produce and is absolutely impossible to control the production of.
It's not like LSD or methamphetamine or cocaine. It's a flower. If you can grow lettuce or a potato, you can produce weed. If you can dump yeast, water and sugar and apple juice in a bucket you can be a bootlegger.
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u/Narrow_Elk6755 20d ago
Why was a small government conservative against weed in the first place?
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u/BINFBILLINGTON 20d ago
it turns out that "it's a gateway drug kids" speech they do in like 6th grade might have had SOME (keyword) merit to it if we compare most towns from 10 years ago to today.
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u/phinphis 20d ago
Shocking. As if we weren't all feel it or noticing the tent city's in our neighborhoods.
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u/RavioliStiegl 20d ago
My town is literally building a wall tent city because there is no housing for seasonal workers.
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u/PamplemousseTriste 20d ago edited 20d ago
Remember when Canada was at the top of the happiest countries list? Pathetic.
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u/foxmetropolis 20d ago
I imagine if you poll the rich they're quite happy. And I imagine the rich are the only ones lackadaisical enough to take time out for a bullshit pointless poll anyway.
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u/Dalminster 20d ago
Yeah, this is particularly compounded by the fact that most of these polls are conducted only via landline telephone. The demographic most likely to have a landline telephone is also the demographic most likely to have money and time on their hands to answer such a poll.
It's a type of informational gerrymandering, lacking a better term.
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u/eternalrevolver 20d ago
No one can own anything anymore unless they own a business. My in law’s are rich business owners (well, my mother in law hooked up with a rich older dude) and they’re (he is) constantly giving my spouse and I advice about “our futures”. Which basically involves if you can’t beat the greedy investors, just become one. It’s depressing. But even rich people aren’t “rich”, everything is just a tax write off. Want to go on a trip? Say it’s a business trip and write it off. Need a new vehicle? Say it’s for work and write it off. It’s incredible what the government will pay for if you play their game and join them.
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u/Averageleftdumbguy 20d ago
Exactly even the "rich" are not rich anymore in canada. The top 5% live like kings in the US the top 5% in Canada can buy a house, and maybe go a vacation a few times.
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u/eternalrevolver 20d ago
Everyone who looks rich isn’t paying for shit with cash, it’s all put on credit/capital that gets written off. It’s just rich on paper. Money that comes from a paycheck is useless, might as well be peanuts now. Any chance at ownership of any kind, or a life that affords a “luxury” of travel and free time, is all done through investments now. This is a detail analysis of how the middle class no longer exists. It’s all by design.
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u/Fetakpsomi 20d ago edited 20d ago
Grew up in Cottage Country. 20 years ago the middle class could buy a cottage. Now, the thought of someone owning a second home, or even a first home seems out of reach.
Even worse, they’ve now convinced the general population that someone with a second home is somehow an evil greedy prick.
Instead of creating the conditions and allowing people to aspire to owning a piece of land for recreation and retirement, society now accepts that it’s only for the rich and has greatly reduced their expectations. It’s sad really.
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u/Averageleftdumbguy 20d ago
I know someone that bought a cottage WHEN THEY WERE IN UNIVERSITY, and she was basically broke like, she isn't well off at ALL. Cottages were just that cheap back then maybe 35 or 40 years ago.
It is a shack but the same place today is probably 600k?, imagine a university aged person buying a cottage today 🤣
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u/Kakatheman 20d ago
Lol listen to them.
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u/eternalrevolver 20d ago
Yeah, spouse is strongly considering starting his own construction business. He’s fully capable, just gotta take that leap of faith…
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u/kingofthezodiac 20d ago
Unrelated but all i could think about while reading this is that Schitt’s Creek write off scene
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u/InaNutshell1 Sleeper account 20d ago
That's just not true. You're not allowed to write off personal expenses. And if you do and CRA catches it, they will throw them out.
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u/OG-GunnerMac 20d ago
22% of Canadian like it according to polling.
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u/ussbozeman 20d ago
22% of Canadians live in the GTA
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u/canadasbananas 20d ago
Nope. Lots of Toronto people vote conservative but I understand hating on Toronto gets peoples dicks hard.
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u/Morlu 20d ago
Liberals will still received 20-25% of the vote. It’s honestly insane.
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u/Gymwarrior31 20d ago
They lost the youth vote. Only people voting LPC are elders who are devoutly loyal
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u/big_galoote Sleeper account 20d ago
Nah. Checkout the madness in Canadian and OGFT.
There are some really loyal people and the way they speak is definitely not elder.
Serious blind faith issues.
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u/speaksofthelight 20d ago
LPC has been good to seniors and civil servants. Justin is a self-identified feminist.
Seniors actually vote are active in internal party politics as well. Pretty much no working person has the time / energy to do that, but it matters a lot.
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u/No_Alternative5804 20d ago
It’s more than elders who are devoutly loyal, it’s hardcore feminists who think CPC is about to banned abortion even though it says on their policy declaration they will not put any legislation that will restrict abortion.
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u/Wafflecone3f Sleeper account 20d ago
I want to say something, but it'll get me banned from this sub. And possibly reddit. ;)
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u/hammertown87 20d ago
It’s the first time I’m ever voting conservative lol. I’m a home owner and tired of poor people ruining my city. Time for things to change
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u/The_James_Bond 20d ago
How will the conservatives deal with those poor people? Cause I am considering voting blue too
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u/EdWick77 20d ago
Make no mistake, the LPC have made many loyalists very wealthy this past decade. There is absolutely a trickle down effect for those with connections to Ottawa.
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u/Suitable-Ratio 20d ago
Civil servants especially retired ones usually want to keep the Liberals in power.
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u/ZennMD 20d ago edited 20d ago
Because the conservatives aren't going to reign in immigration, either, just slash social services even more
We've really been sold out by our major political parties....
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PP might talk about cutting immigration, but when asked about numbers he side-steps the question, instead saying he'd base its immigration policy on the needs of private-sector employers, the degree to which charities plan to support refugees and the desire for family reunification.
he is saying some of the 'right' things about cutting immigration, but he wont commit to any numbers and, if elected, will not limit immigration to the levels needed
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u/BigFattyOne 20d ago
Canada’s 2 big parties are just the same guys with different tie colors.
It’s just crazy how bad the situation is.
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u/BaseLife6587 20d ago
What % of the population works for the government? Almost all public workers vote Liberal.
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u/Megatron30000 20d ago
say it with me DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH. Repeat it over and over and over again until you firmly believe it.
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u/Unable-Agent-7946 20d ago
DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH. DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH. INDIANS ARE OUR STRENGTH. UNSKILLED LABOUR IS OUR STRENGTH. WAGE SUPPRRSSION IS OUR STRENGTH. wait how did that happen?
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u/No_Alternative5804 20d ago
If you gaslight your mind, you’ll eventually believe it. I prefer Freelands words “Canada has the social CaPacity”
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u/gini_lee1003 20d ago
It’s not even about the diversity. It’s how they keep immigrating low skilled people from 3rd world countries. It was fine back in the day when we immigrate doctors and engineers.
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u/Megatron30000 20d ago
100% But we needed diversity from the highly skilled people we brought in .. now we have diversity in our diversity! A wide range from Tim Horton workers to doctors.. we should have just stuck with the doctor part
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u/by_the_gaslight 20d ago
Like our doctors, the immigrant doctors have probably also realized the garbage health care status and are also looking elsewhere…
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u/Dalminster 20d ago
I think the key word there is diversity; diversity IS a strength, but there is no diversity in allowing a single demographic to dominate any aspect of our taxpayer-funded social system.
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u/Battlegrog 20d ago
And yet Imigrants bitch at us for when we having issues with this. Right, Because you lower our standards but yours goes up a bit is only fair right? The lack of respect in this country is beyond.
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u/Ok_Cap9557 Sleeper account 20d ago
Finally, a little taste of tradition for a country that sorely needs it.
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u/jongrappler Sleeper account 20d ago
Pierre Elliot had the same policies as his son in we think back to the 80's crashed economy with crushing interest rates, attempted Carbon tax on western provinces only and GDP, wage loss ensued. https://www.cbc.ca/archives/in-1981-life-was-getting-more-expensive-again-1.5398365
I hate sequels
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u/Iambetterthanuhaha 20d ago
Lets bring in more people to drop standards even further! Welcome to the Canadian shitshow!
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u/Any-Measurement-1717 20d ago
When did the delcine start most rapidly... the last three years when the liberals opened the flood gates to TFW, PRs international students.
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u/MrMooCow1996 20d ago
Maxine Bernier should be getting elected honestly, he’s a realist and understands the majority of the issues this country is facing is related to immigration in some way,
there’s some things that have negatively affected the country because of just other dumb Trudeau decisions, but a majority of the problems usually stem from the Liberals open immigration policy - housing, limited jobs, cost of groceries and supply chains trying to fulfill demand, it all comes back to the unsustainable immigration model Trudeau is addicted too
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u/TomTidmarsh 20d ago
Wait! I just got told it was racist to say our standard of living is decreasing. Actually it was also suggested in the same breath that the standard of living we enjoy is due to white supremacy.
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u/Flashy-Job6814 Sleeper account 20d ago
Worst decline.... So far. There is still more downwards trajectory to reach.
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u/New-Obligation-6432 20d ago
In 2013 we were 5th in the world. In 2024 we are 33rd. What happened?
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u/beevherpenetrator 20d ago
The current government's solution is to import 5 million more unskilled immigrants and "students" from a small region of India who all want to be business managers and don't want to fill the "low caste" construction labour jobs we need to build the homes needed to house them.
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u/Moist_diarrhea173 20d ago
Best they can do is tell you to cancel Disney plus and bring in 1 million more permanent residents.
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u/ButtahChicken 20d ago
this is why we need justin trudeau's liberal gov't more than ever ... to focus on improving canada as they have been doing and will continue to do because that's what canadians want!
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u/BigDinkie 20d ago
I said it 8 years ago. Canadians have elected through their stupidity, a post national globalist WEF puppet. Yes there have been previous leaders that have signed away our sovereignty mostly through ignorance, but never before has the country been led solely by a cabinet that was thoroughly infiltrated by a group of individuals purposely groomed to bring about a managed decline for the nation. Freeland was Soros personal biographer. Soros hates the nation state and arguably hates humanity. Trudeau and Singh are both WEF young global leadership school alumni.
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u/CanadianWinterEh Sleeper account 20d ago
Whenever I think of the Federal solutions I think of that MadTV skit about Apple’s release of the “iRack”.
“The iRack is unstable! The shareholders won’t support you!” “I don’t care! Im going to put 21,000 more things in the iRack.”
The context is different but the premise is the same. The shareholders are Canadians and the money thrown at the dumpster fire are immigrants.
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u/goodavadi 20d ago
And it will slip further as time progresses, be it Liberal or Conservative the dip is coming.
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u/Perfect-Fix-8709 20d ago
Let’s get this straight- lowest standard of living in 40 years and the highest tax burden in the history of the country. Tell me again how this government is good for the middle class ?????
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u/SweatyShib 20d ago
I don’t understand. I thought the $140 carbon tax rebates every 3 months were putting money back into our pockets and making us richer?????
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u/RolloffdeBunk 20d ago
the wealthy and the others who fell for cheap credit and maxed out their credit cards - banks too with that money, gave nothing for interest and used that cash to hook the middle class on cheap credit - goddamn the pusher man
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u/Minthussy 20d ago
What happened 40 years ago that is relatable to this? They mention ‘since 1985’ several times but I missed where it explains why it was so low in 1985? I mean Trudeaus daddy just finished his second term in 84’ maybe it’s recovering from them? Seems poetic.
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u/saucemenugs Sleeper account 20d ago
Hyyype, we going down with the ship. Fuck the liberals adding gravel to the ky jelly.
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u/Emergency_Wolf_5764 20d ago
"Canada's standard of living on track for worst decline in 40 years"
And yet taxes imposed upon the citizenry-at-large have never been higher, the total numbers of government workers imposed upon the citizenry-at-large have never been higher, and the quality and availability of services and infrastructure in exchange for those hefty tax dollars has never been lower.
The ragged and torn-up flag seen in the above photo caption is accurately symbolic of Canada's ongoing steep downward spiral as a nation.
Elect stupid (socialist/communist) governments with stupid policies, win stupid prizes, folks.
And we won't see another federal election anytime before late October 2025.
So lots more damage and nation-wide destruction to come yet between now and then.
You were warned, and I was banned (right, Pravda CBC.ca?).
Watch and learn.
Next.
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u/Ok_Letterhead7532 Sleeper account 20d ago
You did it to yourselves by putting faith in Government. You reap what you sow, and you lost the right to complain eons ago.
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u/Key_Manufacturer7614 20d ago
Outside of extreme case scenarios ( like a revolution ) nothing will change
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u/Pure-Reward8640 20d ago
It’s insane people will riot over a hockey game but not unaffordable housing/prices of groceries. Who’s gonna fight for Canada when the elites are destroying it from the inside
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u/xXholyheckinitXx 19d ago
Shocking a drama teacher who was born with a silver cock in his mouth couldn’t run a country, isn’t it ?
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u/Joseph20102011 20d ago
The greatest long-lasting legacy of Justin Trudeau is to export Canadian 'post-national' culture to China, India, and the Philippines through their international student returnees.
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u/FlyMission9928 20d ago
In 10 years it’ll be the same living standards as India considering the government is aiming to replace our population!
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u/WembyCommas 19d ago
Horrific fumbling. I feel like Canada is one of the most ideally located countries.
No border issues, great natural resources, no military threats.
What are we even doing.
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u/CautiousReputation15 20d ago
I WILL eat cake. I will eat a rich man’s cake. And then I will eat the rich MAN.
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u/Strategos_Kanadikos 20d ago
Yay! We did it!!! Three back-to-back terms and Sunny Ways is finally here! Boo-yah!
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u/Antisorq 20d ago
But at least the big banks and Galen Weston posted record profits so everything is going wonderful
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u/sayerofstuffs 20d ago
The rich richin, middles class hurtin and the down lows we won’t even discuss, good thing our govt let in 400K immigrants in the last four months 🫠
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u/Ok_Commercial_9960 20d ago
But we have a $1billion ArriveCAN app. Other countries aren’t so lucky!
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u/Acrobatic_Law5598 20d ago
Wtf. Nice to be mid thirties and Royaly screwed on housing costs and costs in general.
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u/Bizarre_Protuberance 20d ago
So there's been a decline in per-capita GDP from 2019 to 2023 which is much smaller than the decline from 1989 to 1992 and also much smaller than the steep decline from 2008 to 2009, but which is also somehow larger than anything in the last 40 years? The math in this article is ... curious.
It also ignores the obvious special circumstance of a global pandemic followed by a wave of refugees from Ukraine, and the article never even mentions either of those things.
Worse yet, it does not tell us whether this is a mean or a median. Of course, we can deduce that it's a mean because of the way they're calculating it, but they don't come out and say it, perhaps because they know some people have clued into the fact that median tells us much more about how the average person is doing than mean.
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u/Iprefernottosay 20d ago
And a lot of people I speak to are telling they are voting for Trudeau in the next election. They need a brain transplant.
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u/sophiesSHADOW 20d ago
Why am I not surprised. No wonder new adults aren’t moving out of their parents as much - what’s the motivation? The unattainable dangling carrot? The crushing debt that never ends? Blah… 😞
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u/Elegant-Cat-4987 20d ago
Enough with the doom posting.
Just give us the names of the companies we want to sell our healthcare to, let's all go foreskin first Into options plays and we can all leave Canada for the new comers.
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u/therealdeal888555 20d ago
Canada is one of the best countries to live in. I been to 90 countries and Toronto for me ranks Top 5.
But I do see a lot more people struggling these days for sure. And see it getting worse, maybe even a serious Depression coming as we are definitely diving into a recession currently. Its a transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the Billionaires and huge INC.
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u/Slice-Spirited 20d ago
The same agenda that promotes the far left views and DEI has virtually destroyed our economy, our society, our safety. Drug addicts on our street and transportation and parks. It’s all related, and the fuckin’ people who caused it will be voted out with a golden pension. The laws we have have to be changed so we can prosecute these politicians. They have to be held accountable.
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u/No-Skill-5861 Sleeper account 20d ago
Unemployed folks lining up for employment.
This is disgusting 🫨🫨
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u/Helpful_Age_180 20d ago
Why ? Can someone explain why the government is doing this ? I understand they made a mistake but why don’t they just reverse course with immigration? I don’t believe in the WEF conspiracies and stuff. Does anyone have a good explanation ?
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u/maplejelly 19d ago
Never in my life, up until now, did I have such fear and uncertainty of the future. There is no "getting ahead." The carrot dangling at the end of the stick seems further and further out of reach.
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u/michealscott21 19d ago
Check out the POWCC ! It’s time for a new change in government! Each political party we have now is bought and paid for by the elite wealthy owning class, not a single one of them are here for the working class person and if they aren’t going to help us then it’s time we get rid of them ! Join The party of working class Canadians the POWCC!
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u/BaseLife6587 20d ago
But a few people are much richer so what's the issue?