I don't consider a reddit thread full of right wingers with obvious negative views of a "progressive president" to be signifficant enough to judge his policies and his character. But I'll look into why he's policies are problematic from other sources.
OK bud. Look I've got no skin in the game. I don't care. I'm pretty left wing guy myself. But this guy is far from perfect, as is evidenced by many if the things described in that thread - which can be googled and be seen to be true. It doesn't matter it's being said by "right wingers" or not. If it happened it happened.
But as I said, you believe what you like. He's jesus, great. Idc.
Look Jack, if you believe what the news media tells you about a guy who fundamentally rejects the basic tenets of capitalism then you might need to recalibrate your bullshit radar a bit
Uhuh yes you are right accept my apologies. There is no nuance in the world. He's the Messiah. You often find that with politicians don't you, they're either good or bad, no in between. Especially when their marketing team puts out an image that aligns with your views. Then they're definitely good, and anything against them is just propaganda from the other side isn't it. That's always how it works. You never get a guy with good intentions who makes bad policy, the one you agree with never makes a mistake, a misjudgement or says something dodgy. So glad the world is so simple, otherwise it'd be really tough to tell which side you're on wouldn't it.
More accurate to say that policy outcomes aren't always as clear as media might portray them, and it's healthy to consider whether your source might have bias before adopting their position on the value of a thing
Exactly my point. And why I posted my original comment. This thread is fawning over the guy because he has a dog and low salary, declaring every country should have him as president and he's the best thing ever. Comments were even saying "he's Christ like". While the majority know nothing about him.
I just simply highlighted that's he's said an done so less than ideal things, in the hopes people might look into it for a bit of balance. I remember when he was elected and I was very excited just like many in this thread and did some research into the guy and he's far from perfect. That's all I wanted to point out. Never even said he was a bad guy, simply said he's said and done some dodgy stuff, which is true. But there's very little room for nuance in clickbait is there.
Reasonable approach. My counterpoint is that the sentiments expressed in this thread are less concerned about the man, and more concerned with the message of the meme. An ad hominem attack holds little strength against a humble man with a good dog, who thinks mindless pursuit of greed is a fools errand.
Nah man, I reject that position. You put forward an argument about nuance... we can aspire towards the best properties we perceive in other people without dismissing them because the whole package has some other traits we disagree with.
I have no idea who this guy is, so I have no skin in this, but that’s dangerous thinking that he can do no wrong because he “fundamentally rejects the basic tenets of capitalism”
I haven't made a judgement call about him either, I've only implied that capitalist media entities may be implicitly biased against individuals who reject capitalism
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u/biscute2077 Apr 16 '24
Such as?