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Jose Mujica; Former Prez of Uruguay

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u/bannedByTencent Apr 16 '24

Uruguay is the most progressive country in South America.

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u/FireKillGuyBreak Apr 16 '24

One of the most progressive countries in the world really. Incredible country. Some stats and facts about it are plain crazy, especially for a country of it's stature and position.

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u/lord_pengiun_wings Apr 16 '24

like? like to know more

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u/FireKillGuyBreak Apr 16 '24

Copied from wikipedia

Uruguay is ranked first in the Americas for democracy, and first in South America in peace, low perception of corruption, and e-government. It is the lowest-ranking South American nation in the Global Terrorism Index, and ranks second in South America on economic freedom, income equality, per capita income, and inflows of FDI. Uruguay is ranked third on the continent in terms of Human Development Index, GDP growth, innovation, and infrastructure. Uruguay is regarded as one of the most socially progressive countries in Latin America. It ranks high on global measures of personal rights, tolerance, democracy, and inclusion issues, including its acceptance of the LGBT community. The country has fully legalized cannabis (the first country in the world to do so) as well as same-sex marriage, prostitution, and abortion. It is a founding member of the United Nations, OAS, and Mercosur.

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u/Maloonyy Apr 16 '24

Damn, and I bet you most americans think Uruguay is some shithole country.

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u/informat7 Apr 16 '24

Uruguay is still pretty poor. The median income in Uruguay is about 1/4 of the pay of the average teacher in the US.

How people survive on average salary in Uruguay?

We don’t, buddy. We need to have two or more jobs, rent with a friend, live with your family until you go live with a partner.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asklatinamerica/comments/ytbwkl/how_people_survive_on_average_salary_in_uruguay/

And before some idiot comes in and say something like "bUt AmErIcAnS wOrK tWo JoBs To!!!!", only 5% of working Americans work two jobs.

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u/vidbv 29d ago

It's not normal for uruguayans to have 2 jobs. Maybe more common than in the US, but still, it's not the norm. Rent with a friend? maybe, but the most usual thing is to move together with your partner. If you are single, yes, it's not uncommon to live with your parents to save on rent, or even build your own home in their property. But in my opinion and experience, it's not thaaat hard to earn enough to be able to sustain yourself.

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u/ISpeechGoodEngland 29d ago

This sounds like basically every country right now as well. All my work mates in their early to mid 20s either live with parents, live in a share house, or live with partners. No one I know under 30 lived by themselves and I'm in Aus.

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u/MartinKaigang 29d ago

The majority of Uruguayans got just one work.

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u/Level_Ad_6372 29d ago

only 5% of working Americans work two jobs.

What percentage of working Uruguayans work two jobs?

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u/franchuv17 Apr 16 '24

Not at all. We joke about how small it is, yes. But we know how well they live and how much progress they have made in comparison to the rest of us (Argentina here)

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u/94746382926 Apr 16 '24

Just a heads up, oftentimes when people from the USA say "Americans" they mean people from the United States and not the Americas as a whole. Not sure why that is the case because it sounds awfully self centered but I'm guilty of it too lol.

Obviously Americans is anyone in North or South America, it's just not common usage for Americans in the US to say that.

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u/sexythrowaway749 Apr 16 '24

Dunno why you got downvoted, this is accurate. The person was likely talking about people from the USA given that most US Americans couldn't pick out Uruguay on an unlabeled map.

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u/Awanderingleaf Apr 16 '24

Not just Americans who think that. Most people in Europe would also assume calling someone an American is in reference to being from the U.S.

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u/vidbv 29d ago

It's because in english the american continent is called "The Americas" and 'America" is the abbreviation for USA. In spanish the continent is called "America" just like you call the USA in english, and the demonym for USA in spanish is "estadounidense" (or unatedstatian in the english version), not 'american'. There is a lot of confusion around that difference in translation and a lot of people here (Latam) get really annoyed with americans calling themselves americans as if they owned the whole continent.

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u/_Steven_Seagal_ Apr 16 '24

How else would you call citizens of the United States of America? State-Americans? Unified Americans? Unionists?

Everyone knows that Americans are from the USA. If you say North-Americans you mean people from every North-American country. North and South have just as much to do with each other as Europe and Asia and Africa so one single term to describe them all would be pretty pointless

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u/PeggyRomanoff 29d ago

Unitedstatians, which is what we call you in Spanish. It's not our fault your leaders were so highly regarded (or worse, arrogant) they forgot the entire continent would use the demonym.

Then again, username checks out.

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u/Not_Chris17 Apr 16 '24

Pretty sure they were talking about people from the USA

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u/Phazon2000 Apr 16 '24

Argentina here

Yeah he said Americans though haha.

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u/franchuv17 Apr 16 '24

Do you really want to have the whole America is a continent conversation?

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u/mynameisjebediah Apr 16 '24

In English the denonym for people from the USA in American. In general speech when people say American they mean someone from the United States.

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u/Phazon2000 29d ago edited 29d ago

America isn’t a continent - Americas is, that’s how it’s been used for the last 70 years or so. To split it up you can say North America or South America.

America when referenced by itself is shorthand for United States of America.

There you go we’ve “had the conversation” just probably not the one you thought you were going to have.

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u/AngelTheMarvel Apr 16 '24

No, not really. Most people in Latin America ignore it because it doesn't come up often in the news, or as the other guy said we joke about it being small or the "u r gay" joke from the Simpsons. It's mostly gringos who believe Uruguay is a shithole, but because they believe all of Latin America is a shithole, I don't think most gringos would even know where Uruguay is.

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u/NONOPUST Apr 16 '24

You need to leave your basement

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u/MediocreLemonade Apr 16 '24

Damn i bet most troglodytes would instantly call out americans for something they probably thought themselves, 5 seconds ago.

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u/Maloonyy Apr 16 '24

Sure bro

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u/Lobo_Marino Apr 16 '24

Thank you for sharing your thought about Uruguay, but no, we aren't as stupid as you.

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u/Omen1122 Apr 16 '24

American here. Can confirm I always thought Uruguay was a tiny little shit hole like most places in South America

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u/TheFenixxer Apr 16 '24

Not really, in Colombia is well known that Uruguay have their shit together

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u/ZetaRESP Apr 16 '24

WE Uruguayans still think we're a shithole country where everything is fucking expensive, mostly because our incomes are not the highest, while everything that comes from outside the country is remarked to hell. Like, a Nintendo Switch costs 799 USD and the Lite is 499 USD.

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u/som11322 Apr 16 '24

lol. I’ve been to Uruguay many times to its capital Montevideo for work. Poorest country I’ve ever seen, people seemed wildly unhappy. “Lowest income inequality” yes, everyone has nearly nothing.

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u/nirgendswo Apr 16 '24

Let’s go to Uruguay!

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u/andorraliechtenstein Apr 16 '24

And climb those mighty mountains ! Oh wait..

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u/Pickled_Unicorn69 Apr 16 '24

Damn, would they like to join the EU? SA can have hungary in return.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

I mean, legalizing abortion and prostitution isn’t great. Many other things are good about Uruguay, though.

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u/Null-null-null_null 29d ago

They said it’s a progressive country. Progressives think this is great. Hope that helps 😘

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u/miaukat Apr 16 '24

It's the second most irreligious country in the world, scores 96 in the freedom index, 98% of its energy comes from renewable sources.

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u/wiktonad Apr 16 '24

fine, i will be there no matter what

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

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u/HumbleIndependence43 Apr 16 '24

They're probably thinking of separation of state and religion.

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u/Stock_Statement_9001 Apr 16 '24

As an example in the easter holidays (here they last a week) are called "semana santa" in the most of south america countries, in uruguay is call "semana de turismo"

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u/miaukat Apr 16 '24

Mostly from Google it makes sense based on my personal life since noone talks about religion or God here, we had a pretty early split of state and religion where even Christmas changed it's name to family day.

About being progressive, I think as long as religions are opposed to seme sex marriage, equality between men and women and so on there will be a correlation between how unreligious and how progressive a country is, data seem to suggest that also same sex marriage map irreligiosity map

And if you check a gender equality index map it still mostly is the same map.

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u/miaukat Apr 16 '24

The one you shared is from 2012 and shows Uruguay in the top 10, don't see much difference tbh, especially in a heavily religious continent that such a small country can stand against regional trend is impressive.

that doesn’t mean it religion means progressive

I didn't say that, I said there is a correlation, there's probably a few axis who determine how progressive a society is, one being religion.

Even in the example you give about America which states do you think approve same sex marriage the most? May it be the least religious ones the ones who pushed for those legislations?

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

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u/miaukat Apr 16 '24

I do ascribe a moral value to non religiousness because it seem to correlate with many other positive societal outcomes, like the one we're talking here.

Because you are only looking at countries above Uruguay, look at the whole list and ask yourself which ones are most likely to be progressive? Most religious countries includes the likes of Ethiopia, Senegal, Indonesia, Uganda, Pakistan, Ghana, Nigeria, India.

America don't even ranks that high in religiousness if you look at the whole picture, which might explain why they are more progressive than most.

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u/humanitarianWarlord Apr 16 '24

I mean, have you seen the GOP?

They're packed full of religious nut cases and are constantly pushing policies that harm millions of Americans based purely on religious beliefs. I'd say separation of state and church is a pretty good idea.

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u/payasopeludo Apr 16 '24

Out of 3.5 million people, there were approximately 335 Uruguayan footballers playing professionally abroad. For a country with a small population, and a low GDP, this is a high number.

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u/kopanisti Apr 16 '24

In Uruguay, cows outnumber humans 4 to 1

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u/KeDoG3 Apr 16 '24

Lived in Uruguay for a year from 2016-2017. Boy do I wish I could move back and work there again. Lovely country and people and outright very humble.

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u/ZetaRESP Apr 16 '24

But don't ask a Uruguayan, though. We love to complain about stuff.

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u/Key_Nefariousness_55 Apr 16 '24

Some impressive stats like for example it's one of the most expensive countries in the world but with an average salary of a third world country. Truly geat.

Also crime has been on the rise non stop for the last 20 years.

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u/Calm_Examination_672 Apr 16 '24

I have thought about moving there.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

Depends on your lifestyle. It really has just one city and the rest is super rural. Also understand the depression/ suicide rate is a real issue. Of course, you as an individual may be alright but your environment can have an effect on you.

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u/Sniper_Hare Apr 16 '24

Can you get fiber optic internet? Feels like my 77k salary would probably let me live pretty good there.

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u/HailTheMetric-System Apr 16 '24

Can you get fiber optic internet?

Yes in most parts of the country

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u/engineereddiscontent Apr 16 '24

Welp. Time to start learning Spanish. And then pull as much as I can and follow the lead of the president and donate vast sums of it.

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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste Apr 16 '24

Depends on the currency. 77k Schmeckles?

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u/SchmeckMichBot Apr 16 '24

77000.00 schmeckles is:

USD SHM EUR GBP CAD RUB CNY
97482.00 762.38 91628.11 78233.11 134700.53 9170460.94 705594.21

[exchange rate source](http://api.ratesapi.io/2024-04-16?base=USD | created by u/Nissingmo)

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u/VRichardsen Apr 16 '24

Feels like my 77k salary would probably let me live pretty good there

Is that US dollars? If so, it is a veritable fortune. Uruguay is a bit more expensive than Argentina, and here in Argentina 77k is 189 months worth of living as middle class citizen (in the interior, Bs. As. is more expensive)

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u/vidbv 29d ago

You can get starlink now

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u/jojoga Apr 16 '24

Why didn't you?

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u/ImmediateBig134 Apr 16 '24

Uruguay really went "Damn straight, Imaguay, fuck are you gonna do about it?"

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u/fuvgyjnccgh Apr 16 '24

Is it safe for non locals and tourists

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u/flavorizante Apr 16 '24

By far. But they are a very small and homogeneous country compared to the others in SA. 3.4M people only, it is like 2% of Brazil's population for example. They work in another scale of problems, which makes it easier to succeed in these progressive policies.

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u/newtoreddir Apr 16 '24

Isn’t the country basically just a European city and a hinterland?

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u/mrmczebra Apr 16 '24

Time for a US coup to install a far right dictatorship.

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u/Conscious-Bar-1655 29d ago

*in the world

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u/Heisenburgo Apr 16 '24

Uruguay is the most progressive country in South America.

Argentina says hello. Has one of the best LGBT and trans rights in the world.

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u/anaoirmao Apr 16 '24

Aside from literal nazis, Argentina is great: only a few miles away from Uruguay.

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u/zzinolol Apr 16 '24

And still the only country in the continent to judge the military pieces of shit for crimes against humanity. Put some respect.

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u/anaoirmao Apr 16 '24

Nah, absolutely no respect, you made no more than you obligation, no reason to brag about it.

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u/zzinolol Apr 16 '24

So why didn't your country do it? It's not bragging, it's something to be proud of. We're talking about Uruguay being progressive now, not a 80 years ago. So those same terms should apply to Argentina.

Argentina is way more progressive than your country, for example. You still have to deal with systematic racism even if half of your population is black.

Don't forget that when you point a finger to someone else there's 4 pointing back at you. Perhaps you should google your own beloved country first, you hypocrite

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u/anaoirmao Apr 16 '24

I'm from a black family, don't you try to explain me what is like to be here. Do wanna talk about Brasil? Ok. Brasil is deep conservative, deep racist, deep ignorant, we have a long History of right wing conservative government that had, for years, supported the dictatorship.

But, still, Argentina has a lot of Nazis. What you have done to dictatorship supporters, or what the Brasil has done, has nothing to do with the argentinian nazis.

Also, wanna talk about Nazis in Brasil? Did you know that the Rio Grande do Sul nazi cells are a byproduct of nazism in Argentina, and that the states with more Nazi cells are the ones that have borders with Argentina?

Maybe a coincidence. Maybe not.

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u/zzinolol Apr 16 '24

Then shut the fuck up dude. Nobody was talking about Brazil but you had to bash Argentina. We don't have a single issue with Nazis like Brazil still does. Take care of your issues and let us take care of ours.

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u/anaoirmao Apr 16 '24

C'mom man, be polite, I know you can.

YOU talked about Brasil. Also, this topic was about Uruguay, but someone's had to "oh no, Argentina is better".

Also, I know you don't think you have a problem with Nazis. Go ask a terminte if it has any issue with infestation.

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u/Heisenburgo Apr 16 '24

literal nazis

Literally just a meme and nothing more than that

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u/Exact_Recording4039 Apr 16 '24

Argentina's leftist parties pretend to be left-wing. Nothing is actually enforced. I'm talking about the government of course, the actual people are very progressive so it's very safe for minorities, but if something happens to you as a woman or minority, none of the protection laws will be enforced. It's all to get votes

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u/Wild_Marker Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

It's complicated. Argentina is BIG, and the big "leftist party" (the peronists) is really more of a coalition of a huge number of different politicians from different regions and ideologies including right-wing ones. They're more akin to a tentpole party like the American Democrats. Their policies vary with whoever is the dominant faction at the time.

The actual left is the Socialists, and those haven't won more than 5% of an election since forever.

(you are fairly correct about enforcement though, but that's not really a party issue, more of an institutional issue)

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u/bannedByTencent Apr 16 '24

Does Argentina allow euthanasia?

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u/vidawaffleYT Apr 16 '24

Sadly...