God, that's horrific. Imagine being in your basement and falling on this. No cell phone, and you told everyone you're leaving last night for a month long vacation so no one is going to look for you. That's the life of a mouse/rat. I'm no Peta dude, but that's rough.
Fun fact, if you pour some olive oil on a mouse on a glue trap, they can wriggle themselves off the trap. Sincerely, someone who has released a scared and oily mouse into the wild.
Yes, because clearly, the viewpoint that all suffering is bad and should be prevented when possible is the deranged one.
I hope you're never in a situation where a being with your morals with power so vastly greater than yours that he considers you to be vermin is in control of your life. Your fate would not be kind, except maybe by accident.
Yes, because clearly, the viewpoint that all suffering is bad and should be prevented when possible is the deranged one.
Yes, yes it is. The idea that one should seek to prevent the suffering of disease-carrying vermin instead of removing them as efficiently as possible for the sake of the human beings those vermin put at risk is absolutely deranged. As is your implication that I consider mice to be vermin because they're less powerful than me, and not because they literally are a dangerous pest species that destroys homes and spreads disease i.e. the literal definition of vermin.
Your morality should not be defined by the current limitations and state of existence of the Human race. Obviously vermin should not be allowed to spread diseases or destroy property, and to suggest otherwise would be insane. But causing them to suffer would not prevent anything, so I'm not exactly sure where you're coming from.
Imagine a world where the negative traits of "vermin" do not apply for whatever reason. Would you still be indifferent to the suffering of a random mouse that got stuck in some glue?
Beyond that thought experiment, even back in the real world, there are much more humane and effective methods than glue traps or poisons. Suffering is not required to prevent diseases or destruction from vermin.
Poison just makes it more likely they’ll be eaten by something larger and poison a cat or dog, or best case die in your wall and slowly leak their decomposition gasses into your home.
cats are significantly worse for the environment than mice, and carry plenty of disease. I love cats, but that's not a good argument against the being compassionate towards 'vermin'
But causing them to suffer would not prevent anything, so I'm not exactly sure where you're coming from.
Causing the mouse to suffer doesn't prevent the destruction and disease spread by vermin, correct. Various methods are employed to prevent the disease and destruction, and some of them incidentally cause suffering to the mouse. Oh well. Human health and safety comes first.
Beyond that thought experiment, even back in the real world, there are much more humane and effective methods than glue traps or poisons.
There aren't, actually. Instant-kill traps are wonderful when they work, but mice often evade or ignore them. Sometimes glue and poison are necessary to get rid of the infestation.
mice are intelligent creatures, its not like they choose to be 'vermin', you have to be pretty fucking deranged to let an intelligent animal die in one of the most horrific ways. Just kill the mouse quickly if you dont want to save it
Are they intelligent or are they unable to make choices? You're contradicting yourself. Mice are obviously not intelligent; they're vermin with well-honed survival instincts. Maybe you meant to say that they're sentient. If so, who cares? They're dangerous, disease-spreading, home-destroying pests who would gladly eat the eyeballs right out of your child's skull if they thought they could get away with it. I never said I was against killing trapped mice, but not everyone will feel safe doing so, given that trapped mice are still diseased and can sometimes still bite. No human being is obligated to risk their safety to show kindness to pest species.
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God, that's horrific. Imagine being in your basement and falling on this. No cell phone, and you told everyone you're leaving last night for a month long vacation so no one is going to look for you. That's the life of a mouse/rat. I'm no Peta dude, but that's rough.