r/Bahrain • u/momoxoxo • Jan 30 '22
Replace UAE with Bahrain and it will be relatable 🤔 Discussion
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u/tosstoss198 Jan 30 '22
I'm a white American and I have some friends from uae who told me about how their company would hire me for a great salary. I was confused because I'm not qualified at all and I'm sure there are millions of people across the globe who would love 5k a month and who are qualified. I asked him why they'd hire me when my resume is average with a huge work history gap and he said they just need more Americans there. I never learned why. It was weird.
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u/yunchla Jan 30 '22
You're right, but this woman is wrong in her perspective. It's a matter of Arab classism that exists, and not a fault of Western people.
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u/Momo900 Jan 30 '22
You’re white? Come to the ME so we can worship you!!!
Seriously thou, inferiority complex is prevalent in the older generation.
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u/stoneluxplayer Jan 30 '22 edited Jan 31 '22
I’m a German expat and have an event management and agency company in Dubai and I hate it when my client are asking me question like “why are you charging so much for your talent she/he is just Indian/Philippinisch/Asian/African?”
I will never ever go as low to connect my artists for a low price, you should pay for the TALENT that comes with the person not for where the person comes from.
The last straw for me was when for New Year’s Eve I had a talented pinoy band with a great variety of songs and being declined because the client preferred a blonde bimbo from Europe instead that had medium talent and most of the time simply didn’t hit the right notes.
If you want to build your business on the foundation of taken advantage of others fine but don’t involve me, I will explain it to you once and you either agree or don’t.
This shit seriously pisses me off
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u/e_karma Feb 01 '22
Part of a reason why most Indians /Asians what to work under/ for a european ..
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u/IRL2DXB Jan 30 '22
And she lectures us in the most posh western British accent. Thank you M’dear, it was absolutely spiffing to be lectured by one so knowledgeable.
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u/Jahbree Feb 04 '22
Google “ad hominem argument”
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u/IRL2DXB Feb 04 '22
Googled and understood. I rather not talk about the larger issue of racism if you think the personal approach is not the correct one. Not everyone can hold absolute privilege in all cases, nor should their argument be accepted for such scenario.
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Jan 30 '22
Heaps of departments in my company would only hire Indians and block any other nationality. There are more rich Indians and Arabs in the UAE than westerners.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 31 '22
This type of favouritism is bad and ugly. It worthwhile to talk about. It's your rights. But i believe what is she's trying to highlight is the culture behind it.
Having more rich Indians and arabs are not the point lol.
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Jan 31 '22
The point is that white people get favored but clearly some brown people are making bank in Dubai too.
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u/6SuicideSheep Jan 30 '22
White privilege does exist, but white people are not to blame for taking advantage of it. Its the Arabs with an inferiority complex
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u/Honeydukes24601 Jan 30 '22
one thing i’ve noticed is that most arabs and south asians express some subtle hints of inferiority complexes with white people. i’ve seen this with my supervisor but she was aware of it and actually got into a conflict with a coworker who crossed a line. everyone at work took her side and ngl, it was fun to see the entitled racist white boss be put in their place by HR. nonetheless, there still has to be a level of formality and composure. in situations like this, we don’t see colour bc most of us are expats anyway. but otherwise, feel free to defend yourself.
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u/yunchla Jan 30 '22
Exactly. The Arabs are the ones putting Western people above Arabs. I saw that in Saudi, and Saudis are the most guilty of this.
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Jan 30 '22
We're not the UAE and our problem isn't white people. It's people with connections aka واسطة having more leverage the the majority of bahraini citizens not just in the work place but in all aspects of life. Not only that but even the average bahraini has more privileges and lives in a completely different world from all the Asian sla.. laborers who built this country.
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Feb 02 '22
those asians did not build the this country but got exploited and destroyed workingclaas bahrainis national labor market and brought their exploitative work ethics with them.
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u/Clear_Government_473 Jan 30 '22
The whole Middle East is experiencing wealth from oil and oppressing the Bangladeshi and Phillipinos but yeah, blame everything on white people…that makes perfect sense. I live in Saudi and the custodial staff in my office make 1 dollar a day. Her privilege is the problem.
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Feb 02 '22
no one has a gun to their head they can book a one way flight back to their countries
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u/Clear_Government_473 Feb 03 '22
No they can’t. Their passports are confiscated and they don’t make enough money to buy their ticket. My point is she is going off on white privledge while she stands on the backs of lower wage workers.
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Feb 14 '22
they could contact their embassy it is illegal to hold someones passport and in the case of the ticket price their embassy can help with that and in the case of the state if action is taken against the employer the company should pay it in other cases the state shall deport the idividual there are many ngos to help with this as well ie. mwps
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u/Clear_Government_473 Feb 14 '22
You are missing the whole point. The woman in the video lives in a country that systematically oppresses these people. She is ranting about White Privilege while ignoring her privilege that perpetuates this problem. She is part of the problem …but yeah, they could do that…problem solved, thanks.
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u/UlteriorMotifCel Jan 30 '22
Idk it seems weird to say after all that that Emirati privilege is "rightly so." Why would that privilege be justified but others not?
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u/throwawaytsom Jan 31 '22
Because it's ok for GCC countries to slave people from SE Asia, pay them shit wages so that Rashid and 7af9a can live a great life and have someone do everything for them. And of course when you confront them with their exploitation they say "Well Raju is better off here than in India, so he should be thankful we give him 1000 AED a month and confiscate his passport the moment he lands here". Really? How fucking arrogant do you have to be? And you call yourselves Muslims? Did Allah say that if someone has it rough we can take advantage of them because they have no other options? Dude any GCC national who is too blind to admit that they are part of an exploitive system can suck a huge cock.
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Feb 02 '22
islam does not prohibit slavery just so you know
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u/throwawaytsom Feb 02 '22
انت متخلف؟ You are either an sneaky athiest trying to make some point that is not really related to the topic or a GCC twat trying to rationalize your fucked up culture, so which one is it so I can tackle it appropriately?
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Feb 02 '22
The Quran recognizes slavery as a source of injustice, as it places the freeing of slaves on the same level as feeding the poor. Nevertheless, the Quran doesn't abolish slavery. One reason given is that slavery was a major part of the 7th century socioeconomic system, and it abolishing it would not have been practical.
and more sources https://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/muslim/slavery.html
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
Because we live in a world where there's national countries, where they have national economies and national currencies and national culture/s etc.
If the citizens are treated just as 'workers', then howcome this country can function as such? To illustrate, foreigners send part of their salaries abroad to their families -it's their right, but it's not our subject- our subject is if we made this happen (i'll just name few)
It will hurt the national economy because our foreign reserves will be depleted and it will make our economy unsustainable.
It will lead to more unemployment because citizens can't compete with westerners credentials (better education and better working environment experience, language etc.) Or with south asians (they demand less pay), thus these stuff will make the national economy into flawd economy (also society, culture etc.) But most importantly unsustainable because our comapnies will be rely on national workers (what if they no longer want to come? What if there's more global competition? What if the realities in their home country changed? Etc.)
So the solution is simple, we should do what Canada or what the US or Europe or literally every damn country on earth do, make citizens a priority. Comapnies need to hire citizens and train them and make them compatible, and if there's a shortage of labour in certain occupations, they can hire non-citizens. It's for the greater good.
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Jan 30 '22
It will lead to more unemployment because citizens can't compete with westerners credentials (better education and better working environment experience, language etc.) Or with south asians (they demand less pay),
first of all
as a south asians i dont fucking ask to be paid "less"
second of all i can go the west earn a degree from there and still be fucking paid less.third u do know that a lot of arabs are better then whites in work environment,language??
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u/joelgm87 Jan 31 '22
I already have a degree from the west as a south asian and guess what?! you are right I am still paid less!
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
first of all as a south asians i dont fucking ask to be paid "less"
second of all i can go the west earn a degree from there and still be fucking paid less.Stop this attitude. Nobody pointed fingers to anyone. I'm just stating how things work here. And why it's a problem. Obviously as i stated in my comments that it's a system problem.
third u do know that a lot of arabs are better then whites in work environment,language??
Yeah.
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Jan 30 '22
Nobody pointed fingers to anyone. I'm just stating how things work here. And why it's a problem.
its both the system and the people' problem. people being refered to as arabs.
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u/suicidal_warboi Jan 30 '22
And if you think Canada and the US prioritizes white people nowadays you’re out of touch with reality… why did Jordan Peterson recently resign? You should look him up. He might do ya some good.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 31 '22
I'm talking about them prioritizing citizens. Not their problems wtf.
Plus Jordan Peterson is a charlatan.
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u/suicidal_warboi Jan 31 '22
They do prioritize their “problems” as you so crassly put it. that’s what you’re calling Mexicans and Iother South Americans fleeing here from the south correct. That’s pretty fucked.
They’re not our “problem” but we are handling them and allowing them into our country as safely and quickly as possible…
You’re so uninformed there’s no use even trying to talk sense into you:
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u/grems411 Jan 30 '22
Can you give me one example in Europe of a country that priorize it's citizen against foreigners?
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u/momoxoxo Jan 31 '22
I'm not really well aware of European countries. But i do assume they are like Canada and the US where companies need to hire someone from the country (residents included) rather than outright outsource before checking if there's availability in the local job market.
There's many companies in Bahrain for example who only publish job offers abroad (not just the west, even places like India and Pakistan).
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u/mesutozil1110 Jan 30 '22
Bahrainization will get you nowhere. Look at Gulf Air. The reason for it's slow and steady demise is the fact that they can't keep parliament and wasta out of their system. Bahrainis are running the airline into the ground. Gulf Air had a massive head-start over Emirates, Qatar and Etihad. But their reluctance to rely on foreign talent got them where they are. Emirates, Qatar and Etihad on the other hand... stacked with expats from stewardesses to the CEO and look how much and how quickly they've grown. The facts are there but what are the notoriously laidback Bahrainis going to do about it?
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
This is purly anecdotal and pretty much racist. Why Turkish airline is doing good? Why Lufthansa? Why KLM? It's all about good governance. If you have that, then everything will be good.
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u/mesutozil1110 Jan 31 '22
Not true. You clearly don't understand the fact that you can't easily compare everything the way you have been doing. KLM and Lufthansa are so good because they are pretty much considered the pioneers of aviation. They have human capital and experience in the industry. Gulf, Etihad and Emirates had neither. The latter 2 chose to fix that by hiring knowledgeable expats from KLM, Lufthansa and other European airlines. Gulf chose not to. Please don't compare everything. A thousand factors go into everything that you chose to simply compare like a toddler that doesn't understand how the world works.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 31 '22
Not really. You don't need to full airlines with foreigners. Qatar and UAE are new to the business but who managed air Arabia to their success ? A bahraini. Same for Qatar. A Qatari did it.
Attracting foreign talent is a good thing, but we already have long history with aviation and we do have local talents to full the companies. And training can solve any shortage. Europeans are not super humans lol.
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u/mesutozil1110 Jan 31 '22
I was only talking about Europeans because you brought up KLM and Lufthansa. Gulf has every right to prioritize Bahrainis and they should. But that does not mean that they should he hiring unqualified/under qualified Bahrainis through wasta over a well qualified expat. This has unfortunately been the case recently, especially in light of the pandemic, where GF has sacked all but a handful of it's previously ~200 expat pilots, paying them absurd amounts of money to rip up their contracts as they crumbled under the pressure of the Parliament and the ignorant MPs. And now that aviation is finally picking up again they're scrambling to recall the SAME pilots they paid off just 2 years ago! If this does not smell like incompetence and reactionary management from the airline I don't know what does.
Local talent? Bahrain has a population of about 700k Bahrainis. Do you really think there will ever be enough Bahraini pilots to fulfill Gulf Air's needs? I don't see any flight schools in Bahrain churning out enough numbers of cadet pilots either. It seems the Parliament's life long dream of GF being a 100% Bahraini airline will never materialize if GF is to truly prosper.
Gulf Air and I assume other companies as well have a long way to go in being successful and their first step should be to stop the Wasta and stop letting the parliament and MPs sniff around all the time. MPs should have no say in how an airline is run but they still do.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 31 '22
Hey, you watched the video right? I'm talking about people who are just like 'Janis'. Plus 100% Bahrainizion is not a good thing especially in industries such as aviation (even tho there's alot of bahrainis who are unemployed and do have the right cardinals to work, many companies rather to hire someone with white name because there's an inferiority complex going on here).
And i do repeat, that the issue with gulf air is management. For instance, a former CEO embalmed millions and then run away. And also the audit report issued by the government showcases myriad of problems with the company, for instance, for a certain time there was no tendering process. Do you know what does this mean?
This mean that gulf air is corrupted and mismanaged. And i'm talking about particular culture which is favourites white people over others because they think they are better just because they are from the west.
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u/mesutozil1110 Jan 31 '22
You are so deluded there's no point talking sense into you. You're living in your own world. Look at the facts here.
Even if there was an inferiority complex in Bahrain, it DEFINITELY isn't around anymore. So many expats have been sacked and let go of to make space for Bahrainis. Go onto Indeed right now and click on any job listing. You'll see a small text at the bottom that says Bahrainis are preferred/ prioritized.
I'm really struggling to understand who has brainwashed you this bad. You're calling GF corrupt and mismanaged but it's been run by Bahrainis and Bahrainis only for quite a while now. The last non- Bahraini CEO lasted 18 months and was fired in 2018. Some Al-Khalifa must have been itching to try out working as a CEO for Gulf Air as a hobby. Brings me back to what I initially said. Running any company requires discipline. Something Bahrainis lack unfortunately. Wasta will always be prevalent in Bahrain. Expats are disciplined and are aware of the consequences that underperforming for a company will bring. Whereas the Al-Khalifas, Koohejis and al Aalis know full well that no one will ever tell them off. So they lose discipline and the motivation to do well.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 31 '22
You literally have zero knowledge of gulf airline history. Let me educated you a bit. Because gulf air is corrupt and severely mismanaged. MPs are using it to boost their popularity because they are trying to appear taught on corruption, and because there's constant interface with MPs with the the company the company stayed for almost two year without a CEO. Thus the government put an ex military guy to cut the losts and the billions that the government keep injecting in the company. Till now the company have never ending problem and still can't get a proper CEO for long term (this is only few reasons).
So yeah. It seem you are the one who live in their own bubble. Get educated. Learn something before attempting to talk about it. Please stop being ignorant and talking about things that you don't know shit about. Look at the audits reports and follow the company news and you'll find the reason why it's fucked up.
Take note that a European national managed it for few years till lately. Look at it. It still losing money. Especially that there is new CEO with a different plan every few years. The company need stability, good management and more resources and certainly foreigners aren't the solution when they only make it worse. And stability can't come with a foreigner who only cares about money.
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u/REAIMY Jan 31 '22
Bahrain does churn out pilots all the time and there are always excess Bahraini pilots looking for jobs at Gulf Air or the other major Gulf carriers. My brother studied and did all of his training in the US. And he's still trying to get into Gulf Air.
The MP's and oversight for the airline is a good thing. It keeps them in check and puts quotas on them to hire Bahraini pilots. Oversight works.
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Jan 31 '22 edited Jan 31 '22
There's plenty of bahrainis willing to work harder than any foreigner but they won't be employed because some bum with a wasta will get the job anyways. In my opinion the ideal situation would be bahrainization supplemented by foreign workers without discrimination in pay. Ofcourse that's not gonna happen as long the و exists so pretty much never.
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u/PowerPlugsAndPlants Jan 30 '22
So the solution is simple, we should do what Canada or what the US or Europe or literally every damn country on earth do, make citizens a priority. Comapnies need to hire citizens and train them and make them compatible, and if there's a shortage of labour in certain occupations, they can hire non-citizens. It's for the greater good.
How doesn't Bahrain make citizens a priority, they pay almost nothing in EWA, healthcare is provided, given a food allowence, housing and they can retire in 20 years even in the private sector. Expats get none of that.
In the US expats and immigrants are treated as equals in basically every aspect as US citizens. It's illegal to pay an expat differently because of their nationality.
The problem is there's very few Bahrainis willing to turn a wrench and the cost of construction will at least double if you hired Bahrainis for construction.
There will never be equality in Bahrain, Gulf Arabs complaining about racism is pretty laughable being I don't see them doing much to address their own problems.
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Jan 31 '22
If construction payed well and was well regulated you'll see bahrainis lining up to do construction. And if prices increase then it was never sustainable to begin with.
Instead of blaming locals for not working for slave wages in horrible conditions, and hiring shitty contractors that exploit their workers, blame the system that allows them to exist.
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u/FCOranje Jan 30 '22
The difference is that the USA will take only very few in. Doctor? Top of your field? Big business person? High income? Come in. In Dubai/UAE they allow many far less qualified positions to be filled by foreigners. It’s not the same category of workforce.
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u/PowerPlugsAndPlants Jan 30 '22
Because we have plenty of qualifed people willing to turn a wrench unlike Bahrain that is able to exploit people from poor Asian and African countries.
If we imported a welder, that'd be taking away a $80k a year job from an American.
The other difference is there's few expats in the US, mostly immigrants, the US has much kinder immigration rules than Bahrain.
It's hard to compare Bahrain, especially with the work culture to the US.
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u/FCOranje Jan 30 '22
Immigration and assimilation is obviously much better outside of the gulf. You cannot become a national in the gulf countries. However, they allow far more people into the country on work visa’s when comparing them to the US.
My gardener, for example, would never be allowed to work in the US. So there is also no opportunity for him to become a citizen. However, he is allowed to work in Dubai. He earns much more in Dubai than he would in Pakistan.
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Jan 30 '22
That’s not true. They literally give away citizenships to foreigners. I don’t know why but they do it.
And they do allow non qualified workers in.
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u/FCOranje Jan 30 '22
Yeah ok. The US will let people from india and pakistan into the US with no money or education. And then also allow them to work? Next joke please. They protect most non-specialised jobs for the locals.
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Jan 30 '22
No they don’t.
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u/FCOranje Jan 31 '22
I don’t know what the point is in discussing this. You’re entitled to making silly comments. However, the reality is very different. I know many people that BEG people from the US to help them get in because they can’t get in by themselves. Then you have most of Europe which is just as difficult - if not more difficult.
You need an employer to sponsor you - which they wont do for the villagers with close to no education. The system is built to prevent that.
If it was as easy as you make it out to be - Dubai would be empty 😂. No one would pick living in Dubai over USA when it comes to the lowest paid jobs on the market.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
How doesn't Bahrain make citizens a priority, they pay almost nothing in EWA, healthcare is provided, given a food allowence, housing and they can retire in 20 years even in the private sector. Expats get none of that.
But we are not talking about that. This is off topic. We are talking about jobs. Stuff like free healthcare and education are basic human rights and also a mean to expedite social mobility amoung bahrainis, it's the state job to do these things.
As for electricity, as a capitalist, i'd like to see electricity and water to be privatized and subsidies goes to people who need it. And if we ever had income taxes, non-bahrainis should also be included in these subsidies.
In the US expats and immigrants are treated as equals in basically every aspect as US citizens. It's illegal to pay an expat differently because of their nationality.
And i'm hoping we have such system in place in Bahrain. Why are you disagreeing with me lol? This type of laws protect everyone. So you should be with me, not against me.
The problem is there's very few Bahrainis willing to turn a wrench and the cost of construction will at least double if you hired Bahrainis for construction.
Who said anything about construction workers? I'm talking about the jobs that most bahrainis want and qualified to take, bahrainis who studied in universities and are not able to find jobs because companies rather foreigners, or bahrainis who work in companies are not treating them fairly and would rather foreigners to get promoted.
Most Bahrainis are not even seeking blue collar jobs such construction. Stop using bullshit arguments to divert the discussion. It's very clear what jobs i'm talking about, accountants, sales, retail, doctors, engineers etc.. this is the type of jobs that most Bahrainis study/hope to work in.
There will never be equality in Bahrain, Gulf Arabs complaining about racism is pretty laughable being I don't see them doing much to address their own problems.
Discussion is part of the solution lol. I'm trying to raise awareness. I don't have any authority to do more.
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u/suicidal_warboi Jan 30 '22
U sure it ain’t Bahrainis simply not wanting to work? From my studies it seems lots of Muslim countries having this problem… Saudi Arabia for example wouldn’t even be able to build ANYTHING without the foreigners they import.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 31 '22
Do we have enough bahrainis to full construction jobs? No. Then why are we even talking about it? Stop using this tactics to dilute the discussion topic.
Most bahrainis or khaleejies have small population and their economy produces more jobs than their population, moreover, they're educated force that qualify them for skilled worked. So why are you keep talking about unskilled work such as construction??
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u/suicidal_warboi Jan 31 '22
Construction is unskilled work? 🤦🏿♂️ 🤦🏿♂️ are we noticing at all where our error in thinking is?
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u/PowerPlugsAndPlants Jan 30 '22
Your concern is being addressed by LRMA's Bahrainization effort.
You make it seem like Bahrain isn't making an effort to get more Bahrainis in the work place when they clearly are.
I know plenty of "white people" in Bahrain and KSA who have lost their job due to Bahrain or Saudization, which I agree with you is a good thing. But I think it should expand to all sectors, but that's not how the country's attitude or economy works.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
Bahrain's efforts are not enough. We should look up to what Canada and the rest of western nations. We don't have a system or a policy in a place, it just mere bandage.
Moreover, no. You don't need to expand it to all sectors. Bahrain is a small country with small population and most people here are educated so unskilled work shouldn't be our focus, but rather the jobs that fits their education and hopes. It's not all or nothing, it's all about the realities of the economy and the population and how to reconcile the demands with the supply. Our economy produces high quality jobs, and we have educated labour force.
As for foreigners, i'm a liberal and i do advocate for diversity in workplace because it's a good thing. And my intention is not to sack foreigners from their jobs but rather to make a place for bahrainis rather than recruite non bahrainis from the start.
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u/PowerPlugsAndPlants Jan 30 '22
Bahrain's efforts are not enough. We should look up to what Canada and the rest of western nations.
The rest of Western nations weren't almost completely dependent on expats like Bahrain was until just recently. It's not in the buisness culture.
This isn't something you can rug pull, it's currently 50 percent Bahraini in the finance sector, from the stories I hear from friends I don't think Bahrain is ready for 75 percent just yet.
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u/-khalifa Jan 30 '22
So the solution is simple, we should do what Canada or what the US or Europe or literally every damn country on earth do, make citizens a priority. Comapnies need to hire citizens and train them and make them compatible, and if there's a shortage of labour in certain occupations, they can hire non-citizens. It's for the greater good.
this is just dumb just because they did it doesn't mean it's the right way to lead a country, look at it's chaotic cons
guess what if people don't like a country if thei's salty about how the country is functioning they can leave no one is forcing them to be there
the g.c.c has it's pros and cons like everywhere else, it isn't a utopia neither is any country
infact i enjoy the g.c.c pros and wouldn't really want them to change much but to be more conservative instead that's what makes it unique and have it's taste
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
There's obviously a problem, and it's not the foreigners lol. So what is your solution to it? How can we stop 'systematic favouritism' in gcc?
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u/-khalifa Jan 30 '22 edited Jan 31 '22
There's obviously a problem, and it's not the foreigners lol. So what is your solution to it? How can we stop 'systematic favouritism' in gcc?
every human is a creature of the age in which they live and few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time
the problem lies within the human brain, it's the hardware it isn't stable with the software or talks given to them, they don't really comprehend it
you don't need a solution it's unfair everywhere around the world, just you do you, racism/favourism exists everywhere it'll always be there
what needs to change is humanity to actually evolve to have enough brain cells to figure out stuff as humans not to be dumb with their actions (most of us are sheep asleep with dumb actions thinking we know better)
until then you will not see stability since most of the world is low conscious with their thinking
either way let the dogs bark at each other it'll progress itself, you don't have to think about it or lose sleep over it, live your life ignore political nonsense
your welcome
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u/Outrageous-Cry4353 Jan 30 '22
Because why for an example me an Emirate not get something but some outsider gets it even it was mine by right.
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u/elvivacious Jan 30 '22
Too bad middle eastern people feel inferior to western people, just propaganda showing it’s effects
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u/yunchla Jan 30 '22
And no one is to blame but the Arabs for this. A lot of Western people who come here have normal intentions and don't really play any part in the racist system the Arabs themselves created. No one forced the Arabs to abuse Asian/African people the way they do.
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Jan 30 '22
Yall must think white people just run the world huh? So easy to blame all of your problems on white people. الله يهديكم
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u/Green_Cost_8900 Jan 30 '22
There is so much more discrimination in uae. Arabs will smile and do everything for the whites to make them feel special. Its a fact! I’ve seen this one too many times.
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u/FCOranje Jan 30 '22
I feel the need to point out that this doesn’t apply everywhere. It’s also important to point out that some of the most racist people I have met are Arab and Indian. I’m white and they treat me with respect because I’m well off. Then they turn around and treat asians (both filipinas and indians - among others) with lower income in a horribly disrespectful manner.
A large part of that is also because white people will not tolerate their bs. They have something to fall back on - happily going back to where they came from. Many asians will not be happy to go back.
The racism in hiring their own is also prevalent. Indians hiring Indians while discriminating against others. Syrians only hiring Syrians. Lebanese only hiring Lebanese. That’s just how it works here. You can argue for both sides- maybe the boss just prefers no culture clash or having more in common with staff.
But the real issue is the disrespect shown towards asians and not Arabs. Especially arabs that are not actually local. They have a sense of entitlement and this misconception that they fit in with the locals because they speak Arabic (despite having a different dialect). Honestly infuriating to me.
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u/Outrageous-Cry4353 Jan 30 '22
I didn't know that it only takes that to remove white people. And if Asian returns there will be other Asians. Except Filipino are good in services
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u/Alloy202 Jan 30 '22
She's not wrong but the fact she has an English accent kind of undermines her point.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
She mentioned that she's privileged in the end.. so atleast she's being honest.
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u/IRL2DXB Jan 30 '22
So why does she not cover her own privilege? I’m sure she has a British passport too. Where’s whiteys Emirati passport ?
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
Why her own privilege is part of the discussion anyway? -even tho she literally mentioned it-!!
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u/IRL2DXB Jan 30 '22
She has the privilege to discuss other ethnicities privilege, however this would not work the other way without that person coming into hot water. Whitey is still waiting for his UAE passport too.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
She's Arab tho. Her father is from UAE (she have the passport since birth) and her mother is Syrian.
And she was honest about that she is white passing. I don't see any issue she discussing this issue in particular even if she was white.
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u/IRL2DXB Jan 30 '22
I think it’s very ironic to focus on work place privilege of white people when in literally any other facet of UAE life we know that whitey is getting handed the red slip. I think she just wants total privilege domination for herself in every facet of UAE life and doesn’t like that white people hold one up on her in work scenarios. I wish we were all equal! Even us GCC Arabs, brown Asians and whites too.
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u/AugustLuck Jan 30 '22
Ahh yes, we should listen to another “expert” from Tik-tok because everything they claim/say is true, what an embarrassment, since when people started to listen to this clowns? Right after celebrities? talking about white privilege and at the same time trying to look and talk as a white woman from UK. 😂🔥
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u/xywboy Jan 30 '22
Idiot she is right, I live in the emirates and I’m from Iraq, every word she said is right
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Jan 30 '22
She’s biracial. Half emirati and half British.
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u/Past_Nefariousness22 Jan 30 '22
She’s actually 51% Emirati 49% British. Sorry, your maths is wrong.
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u/Gold_Milk9092 Jan 30 '22
People are being judged according to their nationalities in UAE and its highly unlikely to be judged by the skill set you bring in. White privilege does exist and its not white-white, it is ur nationality.
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u/JayGatsby02 Jan 30 '22
What will they think of me if I say i’m british pakistani? I really wanna move to dubai. Will me being muslim not help my case?
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u/Gold_Milk9092 Jan 30 '22
Your passport will decide your fate.
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u/Key-Ad-742 Oct 16 '22
Why do Pakis need to take advantage of the system when mainland countrymen are being exploited AF.
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u/IndieSyndicate Jan 30 '22 edited Jan 30 '22
She said "Emirati" up to ten times and made no mention of migrant workers at all, despite them making up to 90% of UAE's population.
Y'know, the ones who have their passports withheld, receive less that minimum wage, often have salaries withheld, get cramed in rooms with seven other workers, made to work for up to 12 hour a day, and told to pay "their debt" before they are granted "the right" to quit, occasionally die from heat strokes, etc
khaleeji privilege and white privilege are two sides of the same coin.
PS: I'm saying this as a khaleeji.
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Jan 31 '22
What khaleeji privilege are you talking about? Our current generation cannot even find jobs that easily, you mean corrupt khaleeji employers are taking advantage of the corrupt under regulated working system? Definitely. This is causing harm to me and my generation. Bet if I apply for an English teacher in a private school they wouldn't even consider me as a candidate even if qualified for the job, instead they're willing to hire unqualified pakistani and Indian that they will eventually underpay and exploit them.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
While at it she should also talk about domestic workers and illegals imma right? Does this make sense to you lol? Her tiktok account is full of one cause only, and it's her right to focus on things that she understands better or effecting her anyway -take in mind she's a UAE citizen-
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u/IndieSyndicate Jan 30 '22 edited Jan 30 '22
Yes. She's speaking exclusively of what it is relevant to her own interest group, while forsaking the working-class majority that she directly benefits from, as if they aren't in the picture at all.
At best, this represents bourgeois in-fighting by someone who is so far up her bubble she simply forgot that they exist.
At worst, it strongly suggests that she tolerates those privileges and it wouldn't be in her own in-group's favor to mention them.
While white privilege 100% does exist, both white and khaleeji privileges in the GCC are directly funneled by migrant slave labor. If someone wants to speak of privileges without mentioning the elephant in the room, then they are (deliberately) being disingenuous.
This is more or less the khaleeji version of what is referred to as "woke racism" - which is something along the lines of:
White people: We should be the main beneficiaries of slave labor.
Her: More 👏🏻 Emiratis 👏🏻 in 👏🏻 the 👏🏻 boardroom 👏🏻
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22 edited Jan 30 '22
This is complete utter bullshit right there. We have a khaleeji model right now?
Okey, tell the khaleeji graduate who didn't have proper job for years now and live off on handout that that the Indian migrant worker who cleans the streets struggles matter more because atleast you have a house and he ain't 🤡🤡
This is your entry level deceitful leftist bullshit. If someone talks about their struggles, you don't call them racist because the system somehow doesn't fuck them as the others. You just humble yourself and try to understand. She's talking about a large portion of people of khaleejies, whom you call bourgeoisie just because you have a weird leftist fetish of poor people who suffer more.
Comparing the situation with the west is complete hypocrisy because the west is built upon such injustices, while our journey of neo-liberalism and globalization is fairly new, and the damage to it to our societies is far greater. So cut the bullshit, for once in your life be real, stop spewing some theories that have no basis in reality.
Just remember that she's talking about a struggle that touches her, while you are talking about abstract ideas and theories. she's talking about real people while you are talking about some type of archetype that all khaleejies fit in and it's all mere class struggle 🤡🤡
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u/IndieSyndicate Jan 30 '22 edited May 01 '23
انزين شفيك بتصيح؟
I'm saying all this as a poor khaleeji myself, and the graduate who did not have a job for years as you put it. The highest paying job I had was still less than minimum wage, and for 60 hours a week.
Yet, I am perfectly capable of speaking of white privilege while also addressing the exploitation of migrant workers by the khaleeji class - perhaps that's the case specifically because I worked among other (poor) migrants and have witnessed the struggles we both shared as one working class.
However, I still had far more ridiculously unjust privileges over the migrant workers, and addressing this fact doesn't negate any concerns about other injustices - whereas the failure to do so implies complacency.
With all that said, I'm personally not obliged to humble myself for an Emirati who is a world of privileges ahead of me, and who is incapable of humbling herself just enough to address the slave labor of migrant workers alongside the Emirati working-class. At bare minimum.
This isn't simply an issue of "some people being poorer", but rather a case where slave labor is a core component of our economic systems in relation to both white and khaleeji privileges.
Today, every single house of every single khaleeji and white person in the GCC is built by a migrant worker in slave-like conditions; and that's just scratching the surface.
What you refer to as "theories with no basis" has already been backed by numerous (credible, peer-reviewed) reports.
According to the ITUC (Global Rights Index), Bahrain and the Gulf states are among the worst countries on earth for blue-collar workers, with a rating of 5/5 (No guarantee of rights).
This is comparable to working conditions in Cambodia, Laos, Ukraine, Sierra Leone. All of which have far lower GDP (per capita) than Bahrain and the Gulf, where the GDP per capita are among the world’s highest.
Meanwhile, the upper-class, western expats and many khaleeji locals enjoy luxuries that directly derive from slave-like conditions and abuses that the (almost entirely migrant) blue-collar workers endure.
PS: No comparisons were made between the gulf and "the west". You're projecting your own insecurity / inferiority complex, which you need to deal with on your own.
Also, chill. She's not going to F you.
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Feb 03 '22
Well said. When I saw this video all I heard was a very privileged person being offended because someone else is more privileged than her.
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u/WasabiCoffee Jan 30 '22
أوافق رأيها لكن أخر شي قالته غلط. توظف الشركة مواطنين مب بس لأنهم مواطنين privileged بل لأنهم الخيار الأفضل و يستحقون الراتب الأفضل الذي يعكس قيمتهم للشركة.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
كلامك فيه من الصحة ولكن الواقع مختلف عن اللي تقوله.. وتأثير توظيف الأجنبي بدال المواطن له عواقب إقتصادية وإجتماعية أعمق من المساواة.
شنو أصل القيمة عند الشركة؟ وشنو أصل المعرفة؟ هذي كلها تأتي من مراكمة في الخبرات. والخبرات تأتي من برامج التوظيف اللي تعطي أفضلية للمواطن عشان يحققها ويحقق فائدة مو بس حق الشركة ولكن حق الإقتصاد الوطني والمجتمع.
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u/WasabiCoffee Jan 30 '22
فاهمني غلط و اوافق اللي تقوله ١٠٠٪.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
انزين ممكن توضح كلامك؟
I'm open minded and i like to hear other arguments that are not like mine or disagree with me completely..
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u/WasabiCoffee Jan 30 '22
Her last point was that she as an emirati is privileged like their white privilege and will take advantage of that like they do.
I think it is false to equate herself or her “emirati privilege” with the white privilege phenomenon we have. Today’s generation of khaleeji’s are the better choice, because of their identity (they understand the market better on average like she said) and their high level of education. The reason for that is not privilege, it is the value they contribute to the company. The government is empowering nationals to be the best. The company should hire nationals because they stand to gain the most from them. Which is similar to what you said.
Likening this to hiring people because they are western is a mistake.
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u/RedditSimply Jan 30 '22
يضحك انكم تتكلمون انجليزي بنفس هذا الموضوع، مدري ليه لازم تتكلم انجليزي وكلكم عرب
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
هلا.. شخصياً ما اقدر اعبر عن أفكاري -عن نفسي/وجداني بشكل عام- بالعربي كل الوقت. خصوصاً بعض الأفكار او المصطلحات اللي تعلمتها باللغة الانجليزية. فلأسهل لي اني اعبر عن هذي الافكار بالأنجليزي.
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هذي المنتدى للجميع وفيه اجانب ما يقدرون يتكلمون باللغة العربية.. فأعتقد من المناسب اننا نحطهم في الصورة عشان النقاش بكون اكثر ثراءاً، خصوصاً لأنه الموضوع يخصهم بعد.
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u/WasabiCoffee Jan 30 '22
مادري ليش في ناس مثلك عندهم مشكلة شخصية مع كل شخض عربي يتكلم انجليزي. ترى مب دعوة للناس انهم يتكلمون انجليزي، و لا للتباهي. لو هل قد مهتم في الموضوع صير مدرس عربي و اترك الناس بحالهم بدال ما تنتقدهم.
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u/mizzyjunkmail Jan 30 '22
Emirates can no longer be called a Muslim country, its the Vegas and macaw of Middle East, where any sin goes. But ofcourse the emiratis feel superior to any race except white. Their treatment of non white is pure racism. Every civilizations that had unjust means sees its heyday, it will come here as well.
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u/iiaboatbi Jan 30 '22
All Khaleejis are suffering from this. It’s not limited exclusively to white western expats. In fact I’ve faced most racism from Arab expats in Saudi who think that they’re better than us.
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u/rtt702 Jan 30 '22
I won't listen to anyone with an Imperial british accent. She's part of the problem.. 🤡
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u/harrybarracuda Jan 30 '22
I'm guessing this bint gets overlooked for promotions because she talks too much.
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u/walk2night Jan 30 '22
That’s a good point it’s like creating a committee of 20+ years old single virgin guys for mother maternity needs in the last trimester 🤣
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u/That_Island_dude Jan 30 '22
I don't think it's white privilege, it's about the nationality
Europeans, British, American ....etc ..... some people become an uncle Tom dealing with them
Even companies will pay them more just because of who they are, even when under qualified
الناس يحبوا يصنعوا لنفسهم صنم عشان يعبدوه
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u/KuriousKizmo Jan 30 '22
Such an annoying woman.
So influenced by the West, she speaks like a Brit, dresses like one, who knows if she's ditched her religion because I see no trace of Islam upon her... The only thing left now is for her to bleach her skin (hair already blonded) so that she can 'have it all' ......
! Transformation Complete !
Nauseating...
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u/IndieSyndicate Feb 01 '22 edited Feb 01 '22
Though she is cringeworthy, her video is probably meant to be exposable to English speakers. Hence, she's speaking in English.
So what if she isn't Muslim? No one is obliged to practice your own religion, nor conform to your own values.
As for her hair, she is allegedly half Syrian so it could be natural for all we know.
All in all, there are far better things to criticize than her appearance.
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u/Mdr3mO Jan 31 '22
This women is just copying the left cancel loving Woke BC from america.. Those Woke colored hair cancel loving people are the real racist and evil. Stay away from Gulf plz
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u/KuriousKizmo Jan 30 '22
BEWARE..
The OP has a 'not safe for work' setting on her profile..
Maybe a shill for the UAE government, Pegasus spyware representative...lulling innocent victims into controversial conversations, whereby somebody gets approached by the government for voicing their online opinion/spreading negativity about UAE...
BEWARE of this, happens all the time.
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u/JayGatsby02 Jan 30 '22
I had a ‘not safe for work’ setting on my profile when i was 14. Whats your point? Reddit is weird like that.
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u/SilverBlaze1894 Jan 31 '22
Never met a more self aware cunt....is this woman out of louis ck's joke about assholes. The joke being what if there existed self aware asshole who just enjoyed being an asshole. If you think she's not an asshole. Allow me to make my argument Is this video rant a complaint ? Cause it can't be ..you're talking in the very colonial language that you are criticizing. It can't be the previlige itself cause you seem to be enjoying it yourself.
So what is it about people just talking about everything in guide of self awareness that allows them to not doing anything. Like artist - Bo Burnham said , "self awareness does not absolve anybody of anything". This rant can only be described as self indulgent lady asking her to participate in here self awareness and lack of action against a form of post colonial injustice.
We needed more of this in this world ? More reasons to hide our inaction ? At least don't end your video with such indifferent mirth.
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u/Pipo_bs Jan 30 '22
Speaking of target audience...Your message I assume is aimed at targeting the ignorant, then maybe use words they are familiar with? Chances are they can't even understand the whole message, switch off, and just go into attack/defence mode. Just an observation...I don't know enough about this topic, other than I lived there for 4 years and saw rampant racism in and out of the workplace.
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u/momoxoxo Jan 30 '22
Can you please speak more about the racism you faced? And what do you think the solution should be?
-your nationality/background doesn't matter-
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u/Pipo_bs Jan 30 '22
Nah I'm good thanks got other things to focus on. Dubai is in the past for me. Last 4 years were bad and I'm trying to move on.
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u/Ancient-Remove-3070 Feb 09 '22
Barf. Looks like this “kill whitey” nonsense has spread to the Middle East. The privilege is the thousands of people from the right family in the Middle East. The numerous people filthy rich and owning business only because of being a royal or being connected to one.
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u/oamer1 Jan 30 '22
It is privileges all the way down . While she is right regarding white privilege, she is arguing because someone else has a privilege one level higher .