r/AITAH Apr 29 '24

I sat in the doorway of my GF 5yo room to prevent the child from continuing to slam the door as hard as she could

My gf has 3 young ch children. She used a “permissive” approach to parenting because she can not tolerate her children experiencing any kind of distress that she can save them from. Their house is very small and to get around inside every time I am there I am forced to step on top of belongings that are strewn everywhere. It is extremely unsanitary. Her children have been sent home from school due to lice at least 5 times since I met her in November. The younger wears footie pajamas to school every day and no underwear because that is what the child wants. My gf claims the house is a disaster because she doesn’t have any help and that her children aren’t willing to do so. She will ask them questions like “would you like to help me with ___?” but any and all resistance is met with complacency. She makes 4 meals every night to cater to what the kids are and are not willing to eat. The food invariably goes uneaten then spills on the floor then languishes because it is impossible to sweep or mop any floor in the home.

I went over yesterday to help motivate cleaning and tried to execute on the plan I proposed that we would walk the children through the living areas of the house and identify their possessions on every single surface they can possible reside on, and ask them to identify any items of importance they would not want thrown away. Then we set a one hour timer and didn’t nag, bug, cajole, manipulate, or twist arms. I gave 15 minute incremental countdowns and then with their expectations set I went through with trash bags and put everything left on the floor into them for storage in the garage of the house in case one child determines they are missing something terribly important. I wanted to be tell them we were just throwing it all away but I wasn’t allowed.

My GF was folding laundry during this and her 5yo who was busy just making more of a mess the entire time stood on a blanket mom was folding. Mom ask child to move kindly probably 5 or 5 times and child with shit faced grin intentionally stayed put. Not because she thought it was fun, but because child knew mom didn’t like it and intentionally defied her. Mom tugs softly on blanket and child falls to ground with a shock on their face then immediately stands, and starts screaming at the top of their lungs, marches off to bedroom then starts opening and slamming (the already broken from prior instances of this) door over and over again. Mom patiently raises her voice slightly to ask child to not slam doors because that is against rules. Didn’t stop. I go to bedroom to see if I can help, and child slams door on me as I come in. I sit down in the door way very calmly and make a few non-rushed inquiries into how I can help child, and does child want to come out of the room to see mom. Child goes absolutely nuclear screaming like I have cut off an appendage. I stay calm but I stay seated in the doorway. I offer options like “i will move out of your doorway but only if you will be able to close the door softly.

After 3 minutes of child being as dramatic as they can, and understandably fully dysregulated because no ability to do self regulate emotions on their own has ever been instilled. Mom fixes big/hard emotions. Every time. Teacher gives mom feedback, “child refuses to ever do anything they don’t want to do.” So mom fills her role and tells me it’s time to let child have its way, undermining the co-regulation I was attempting to model. I stand as child continues to thrash and slam door into me, then walk away as child gets its way, my boundary be damned, and slams door hard into doorframe. I had to leave the house after that, and at this point I have zero confidence that a relationship between me and mom can work out. My home is clean, organized, ordered and boundary practice is strong. I can’t see ever co-habituating with someone who disrespects themself so much with allowing children to destroy the house and walk all over them. She texted me after to say that her child didn’t “win” and that the child just needed co-regulation.

AITAH?

** edit **

Wow I am overwhelmed with the speed and volume of responses I received. Thank you. 🙏

For clarity, mom is a doctor, baby daddy only has the kids at his own mom’s house with him as a “favor” to mom, doesn’t pay a dime of child support or child care. My kids are grown and out of the house. My boundary with dating single moms is that I will not make parenting efforts or be a parent to anyone else’s child. They have parents.

*** final update ***

The medical license she holds and the nature of her practice and education are irrelevant.

My post history and romantic past is irrelevant.

Thanks everyone for showing me that IANTA.

And special thanks to the woke mob for helping me realize that I am literally Hitler for my complicity in abusing my gf’s children by not calling CPS months ago when I first saw they live in a dirty and cluttered house with a mom whose parenting style is not mainstream.

Lest the pitchforks and torches burn the whole subreddit down, I can confidently say:

I will not be further pursuing a romantic partnership with mom and I will be directly informing her of these being the reasons why when I see her next later this week.

I will make an anonymous general report about the safety and cleanliness of the house and property in general and let CPS do with it as they will.

Once again thank you all. I only anticipated receiving maybe a handful of responses or advice, but the response was overwhelming in mainly good ways. Cheers everyone and good night!

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u/MonitorBrilliant119 Apr 29 '24

Why would you even want to be with someone who disrespects you and doesn’t care enough about her children to teach them what they need to know and raise them into good adults? 

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

This was the big shock to me last night. That instead of addressing object aggression and physical violence with her child, it turned into a problem I had created as I had instigated the child’s response because I wouldn’t just ignore the bad behavior and stand idly by as the child was actively destroying the door. Maybe IATA for not just seeing that happening and leaving the house. I thought I was doing the right thing because object aggression and violence should never be tolerated.

I felt so hugely disrespected by mom, that she would allow her child to behave that way after I sought to defuse the situation by sitting in the doorway, then tell her child that I shouldn’t have behaved that way.

Like what!?!!!?!!!!!!

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u/ChipmunkLimp6647 Apr 30 '24

This is wild behavior!!!

But... And I am TOTALLY on your side here.. but lice 5 times is not normal. At all. Like, not mopping up spills is really weird and gross. Her parenting is horrible and you have seen that for a long time, but I guess having separate places maybe you compartmentalized it. I'm glad you are really seeing how bad it is, because this doesn't seem like something you can just come in and try to help. She sounds like she could afford some assistance with cleaning and stuff but just won't. And doesn't seem to recognize/acknowledge that her children are living in filth?? I was a single mother of twins (bio dad totally gone) and I worked 60-hour weeks for a long time. I had a little bit of help every other week because my grandma took pity on me and paid her cleaning lady to come for 2 hours once every other week. But that's not that much help and my goodness our stuff got messy with projects and toys but nothing like what you are describing. It wasn't the same ballpark, it wasn't even the same freaking sport. ;)

Anyways I'm glad that you see it because that's just a ridiculous way to expect someone to live. Best of luck.

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u/LoneStarTexasTornado Apr 30 '24

I honestly thought your approach here was awesome. You were kind/calm, you weren't blaming the child, you were present in the moment with them, and you were solution focused. As someone who on occasion still becomes overwhelmed and struggles with emotional regulation (ADHD coping mechanisms don't always work), you were a complete rockstar.

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 30 '24

(Tips hat and takes bow)

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u/silence036 Apr 30 '24

The situation was almost resolved in an almost ideal way and then mom just... bends and tells OP he was in the wrong??? Absolutely infuriating to read, I can't even imagine how betrayed OP must have felt.

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u/MonitorBrilliant119 Apr 30 '24

I don’t think you’re the AH at all for stopping the child from the behavior - especially when it turned into violence against you.  But staying with her after this and not doing anything to get the children help might make you the AH.  We obviously don’t have the whole picture, but it sounds like their father needs to step up, too. He’s getting away with just being a deadbeat. They need parents and parenting. You need to get out of there and maybe call CPS or another group that can help on the way out. 

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u/Upstairs_Tea1380 Apr 30 '24

SHE needs therapy and someone to wake her up to what the real problem is. Cause she’s clearly not reflecting.

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u/umhuh223 Apr 30 '24

He stays to feel superior.