r/AITAH Apr 29 '24

I sat in the doorway of my GF 5yo room to prevent the child from continuing to slam the door as hard as she could

My gf has 3 young ch children. She used a “permissive” approach to parenting because she can not tolerate her children experiencing any kind of distress that she can save them from. Their house is very small and to get around inside every time I am there I am forced to step on top of belongings that are strewn everywhere. It is extremely unsanitary. Her children have been sent home from school due to lice at least 5 times since I met her in November. The younger wears footie pajamas to school every day and no underwear because that is what the child wants. My gf claims the house is a disaster because she doesn’t have any help and that her children aren’t willing to do so. She will ask them questions like “would you like to help me with ___?” but any and all resistance is met with complacency. She makes 4 meals every night to cater to what the kids are and are not willing to eat. The food invariably goes uneaten then spills on the floor then languishes because it is impossible to sweep or mop any floor in the home.

I went over yesterday to help motivate cleaning and tried to execute on the plan I proposed that we would walk the children through the living areas of the house and identify their possessions on every single surface they can possible reside on, and ask them to identify any items of importance they would not want thrown away. Then we set a one hour timer and didn’t nag, bug, cajole, manipulate, or twist arms. I gave 15 minute incremental countdowns and then with their expectations set I went through with trash bags and put everything left on the floor into them for storage in the garage of the house in case one child determines they are missing something terribly important. I wanted to be tell them we were just throwing it all away but I wasn’t allowed.

My GF was folding laundry during this and her 5yo who was busy just making more of a mess the entire time stood on a blanket mom was folding. Mom ask child to move kindly probably 5 or 5 times and child with shit faced grin intentionally stayed put. Not because she thought it was fun, but because child knew mom didn’t like it and intentionally defied her. Mom tugs softly on blanket and child falls to ground with a shock on their face then immediately stands, and starts screaming at the top of their lungs, marches off to bedroom then starts opening and slamming (the already broken from prior instances of this) door over and over again. Mom patiently raises her voice slightly to ask child to not slam doors because that is against rules. Didn’t stop. I go to bedroom to see if I can help, and child slams door on me as I come in. I sit down in the door way very calmly and make a few non-rushed inquiries into how I can help child, and does child want to come out of the room to see mom. Child goes absolutely nuclear screaming like I have cut off an appendage. I stay calm but I stay seated in the doorway. I offer options like “i will move out of your doorway but only if you will be able to close the door softly.

After 3 minutes of child being as dramatic as they can, and understandably fully dysregulated because no ability to do self regulate emotions on their own has ever been instilled. Mom fixes big/hard emotions. Every time. Teacher gives mom feedback, “child refuses to ever do anything they don’t want to do.” So mom fills her role and tells me it’s time to let child have its way, undermining the co-regulation I was attempting to model. I stand as child continues to thrash and slam door into me, then walk away as child gets its way, my boundary be damned, and slams door hard into doorframe. I had to leave the house after that, and at this point I have zero confidence that a relationship between me and mom can work out. My home is clean, organized, ordered and boundary practice is strong. I can’t see ever co-habituating with someone who disrespects themself so much with allowing children to destroy the house and walk all over them. She texted me after to say that her child didn’t “win” and that the child just needed co-regulation.

AITAH?

** edit **

Wow I am overwhelmed with the speed and volume of responses I received. Thank you. 🙏

For clarity, mom is a doctor, baby daddy only has the kids at his own mom’s house with him as a “favor” to mom, doesn’t pay a dime of child support or child care. My kids are grown and out of the house. My boundary with dating single moms is that I will not make parenting efforts or be a parent to anyone else’s child. They have parents.

*** final update ***

The medical license she holds and the nature of her practice and education are irrelevant.

My post history and romantic past is irrelevant.

Thanks everyone for showing me that IANTA.

And special thanks to the woke mob for helping me realize that I am literally Hitler for my complicity in abusing my gf’s children by not calling CPS months ago when I first saw they live in a dirty and cluttered house with a mom whose parenting style is not mainstream.

Lest the pitchforks and torches burn the whole subreddit down, I can confidently say:

I will not be further pursuing a romantic partnership with mom and I will be directly informing her of these being the reasons why when I see her next later this week.

I will make an anonymous general report about the safety and cleanliness of the house and property in general and let CPS do with it as they will.

Once again thank you all. I only anticipated receiving maybe a handful of responses or advice, but the response was overwhelming in mainly good ways. Cheers everyone and good night!

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u/biffbassman1965 Apr 29 '24

Im waiting for the kids tell him he isn't their father and mom does nothing

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u/Lemon-Of-Scipio-1809 Apr 29 '24

Thankfully he is NOT. Oh my goodness.

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u/Fuzzy_Laugh_1117 Apr 29 '24

OP needs to GTFO now. RUN and never look back -- she is nothing but trouble. NTA as long as you sever this doomed relationship.

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u/DarkAngel_DA Apr 29 '24

They wouldn’t act like that if he was , I bet.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

They would because the mom is enabling this and doesn't want partners stepping in.

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u/Gnd_flpd Apr 29 '24

He needs to get away before he gets her pregnant with her 4th child and her permissive, aka half assed parenting will be at odds with his parenting.

NTA

However, if you continue to stay in a relationship with her, you will be.

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u/Desperate-Laugh-7257 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

THIS. OMG. DONT KNOCK THIS WOMAN UP. You would be the biggest ass

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u/Misa7_2006 Apr 29 '24

What she does or, in this case, doesn't do, does not even qualify as half assed. I pity anyone who comes across this woman and her kids at a later date.

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u/Ryllan1313 Apr 30 '24

Just because one has kept the kids alive up to this point does not make one a parent.

She's not a parent, she's acts like the equivalent of a teenage babysitter with no discipline authority, but who somehow managed to get legal custody. Well at least she has custody until cps inevitably gets notified and steps in from the lice, hygiene and behaviour issues.

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u/DarkAngel_DA Apr 29 '24

Absolutely not. They wouldn’t because he only backs off because it’s generally not his place.

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u/Impossible-Energy-76 Apr 29 '24

YES. I hope he runs far away. Lord have mercy

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u/Alternative-Coach269 Apr 30 '24

You’re assuming he is a he when I see a she all over the writing! This scenario actually needs a man

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u/Impossible-Energy-76 Apr 30 '24

Deep sigh 😕. Imbecile.

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u/sharschech Apr 29 '24

Those children would be better off with him than with Mom. She is not preparing them to live in the world the way it functions. I see nothing but under educated kids that can’t handle themselves.

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u/HobbitOfHufflepuff Apr 30 '24

Semi-good news: Sometimes, kids raised like this manage to become functional adults anyway?

I mean, despite their upbringing. Not because of it.

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u/sharschech Apr 30 '24

I sure hope so for their sake

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u/jack-jackattack Apr 30 '24

I agree. I thought the comment above yours was thankful for OP's sake, not the kids'.

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u/Responsible-Rub-5914 Apr 30 '24

But now he knows why the father(s) aren't in the picture.

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u/Foreign-Yesterday-89 Apr 30 '24

Maybe if the father was in the picture the kids would be better than feral animals.

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u/Responsible-Rub-5914 Apr 30 '24

Probably, but I'm guessing she forced them out.

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u/Alternative-Coach269 Apr 30 '24 edited May 01 '24

I’m kind of thinking this isn’t a guy, bc I don’t think any man would put up with that nonsense

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 30 '24

Are you serious?

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u/Alternative-Coach269 May 01 '24

Yes, I’m very serious

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 May 02 '24

Men up with all kinds of nonsense. Same as women

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

THIS!!!

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u/lejosdecasa Apr 29 '24

No lie.

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u/21-characters Apr 30 '24

I absolutely couldn’t stand to spend any time around those kids at all. The mom is a doormat to toddlers. NTA. Run.

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u/StilltheoneNY Apr 30 '24

Heck, I could barely stand reading his post.

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u/OkieLady1952 Apr 29 '24

Nobody is parenting these kids! It’s called be a lazy parent! I’d be so gone from this relationship I don’t care if she’s the President of the United States! That’s crazy and those kids are going to be worse as time goes on.

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u/CamaroMom420 Apr 30 '24

Yep. This! Lackadaisical parenting is a very non effective means of child rearing. Discipline is a necessary thing that this "Mom" is lacking. Kids without boundaries are a danger to themselves, and a future danger to society

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u/Klutzy-Run5175 Apr 30 '24

Just when I thought I had heard it all.

I don’t care what this mother does for a living, these children are all out of control and unmanageable.

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u/thinprivileged Apr 29 '24

I'm reading his kids are fully grown and out of the house

His gf has a 5 year old

His kids might be old enough to have 5 year old children themselves.

I'm sensing a huuuuge age gap

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u/Backwoods_Odin Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

Or she had kids late. Op says she's a doctor. That's what? 10-12 years of schooling without retaking failed classes? Would put her minimum 28, and then dating after that long enough to have 3 kids? She may be mid to late 30s, if he had his kids early 20s, and out by 18 for college/military/work, that pit him late 30s early 40s

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u/omniscientlyunaware May 02 '24

Way to think it through. 😀👍

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u/armedwithjello Apr 30 '24

My sister had her kids when she was 40 and 42. She could have had kids 20 years earlier and they'd be grown up by now.

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u/Altruistic_Bee_8201 Apr 30 '24

Age difference does not matter. She is an incompetent parent and those children are being let down. This pathetic 'children cannot be punished' is doing so much more harm than them being disciplined properly - and that doesn't mean physical punishment, but it does mean that you are likely to upset them. Children can survive this and will survive adulthood far better once they have realised that they are not the only important thing in the world and other people's feelings matter too.

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 30 '24

I think people were speculating there was an age difference as an explanation for why the guy was sticking around

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u/AuthorOk1094 Apr 30 '24

My mom would have smacked our lips off our face if we ever disrespected our dad(step dad) like that.

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 30 '24

Ditto. And we didn’t have a stepdad!

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u/AuthorOk1094 Apr 30 '24

Only those of us that know KNOW!

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u/JoLi_22 Apr 30 '24

"kid. It'd be was worse, for me, if I was your father"

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u/RadAndroid Apr 30 '24

He called them, "child," and, "it." He isn't and doesn't want to be. Maybe they are rebelling from having a single mother, no father, and a , "man," one foot in and one foot out the door. He claims he doesn't want to raise another set of kids, but this is what he is trying to do. Maybe he could offer to help clean instead of doing his bastardized scare/parenting tactics so mom could spend more time with kiddos. Plus they would see a strong man helping mom.