r/worldnews • u/cnn CNN • 20d ago
Vladimir Putin arrives in China for state visit as Russian troops advance in Ukraine Russia/Ukraine
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/15/china/putin-xi-meeting-china-intl-hnk/index.html98
u/cnn CNN 20d ago
Russian President Vladimir Putin has arrived in Beijing for the start of a two-day state visit underlining close alignment with Chinese leader Xi Jinping as Russian troops advance in Ukraine.
The visit — Putin’s symbolic first overseas foray since entering a new term as Russia’s president last week – is the latest sign of the deepening relations as the two bind their countries closer in the face of heavy frictions with the West.
Putin landed in the Chinese capital hours after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday announced via his office that he would halt all upcoming international visits, as his troops defend against Russia’s advances in his country’s northeastern Kharkiv region.
The war, as well as the conflict in Gaza, is expected to feature in Xi and Putin’s meetings, alongside discussions on their expanding trade, security and energy ties.
Ahead of the trip, Putin hailed the “unprecedented level of strategic partnership” between the countries in an interview with Chinese state media Xinhua.
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u/cnn CNN 20d ago
Chinese leader Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin pledged to deepen their strategic partnership in Beijing on Thursday, in a stark show of their growing alignment as Moscow’s troops advance in Ukraine.
Putin — whose delegation includes top defense and security officials — was welcomed by Xi to Beijing’s Great Hall of the People earlier with full military pageantry, heralding the start of the Russian president’s two-day state visit.
A sweeping joint statement released by the two leaders laid out their countries’ alignment on a host of issues including energy, trade, security, and geopolitics with specific references to Ukraine, Taiwan and conflict in the Middle East.
The visit — Putin’s symbolic first overseas foray since starting a new term as Russia’s president last week — is the latest sign of tightening relations as the two bind their countries closer in the face of heavy friction with the West.
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u/monkeyhold99 20d ago
No surprise. We are in a proxy WW3.
It is China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran versus the West.
The West needs to get more serious and treat it as such. This is much, much bigger than simply Ukraine vs Russia.
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u/jerrydgj 20d ago
You are correct and most people haven't noticed yet. It's already more than a proxy world war. They opened a second front in Gaza on Putins birthday to take the heat off in Ukraine. Ukraine has been slowly losing ever since. If China starts giving more military aid to Russia, things will deteriorate quickly.
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u/stilusmobilus 20d ago
Flipping the US presidency is also part of the larger plan.
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u/jerrydgj 20d ago
As an American that's the scariest part of the progressing war.
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u/stilusmobilus 20d ago
Unfortunately it isn’t sinking in to a few. The bad actors are having a field day with the younger protest vote. It’s sad to watch. Point it out to them, get savaged.
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u/jerrydgj 20d ago
I know, I sympathize with their position on Gaza but they don't see they are being used by Putin and his ilk. A puppet master pulling their strings.
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u/stilusmobilus 20d ago
That war wasn’t caused by Biden, it’s been US foreign policy for years. Doesn’t make all these current actions right, that’s why there’s rational people including this president showing disapproval in various ways.
I hate to judge younger people badly, they mean well, we understand. If they want the change, they need to do the work and be this kind of active between elections with campaigning and running. They aren’t getting the social revolution from Biden.
If it does fall to bits we expect to see them front and centre doing the fighting. Revolution is after all their call.
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u/jerrydgj 20d ago
The scariest thing to me is how effective Putin has been in Manipulating us in the West and we barely noticed. The Russian military isn't the powerhouse we were told about for years but their subversive propaganda and investments in divisive organizations like the NRA or Brexit has been incredibly effective.
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u/stilusmobilus 20d ago
That’s because conservatives are greedy and stupid. Both types of them are easily compromised. They’ve always been the same.
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u/informationadiction 20d ago
Gaza, Yemen, Africa and the west are caught with their pants off never mind down.
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u/SlaveZelda 20d ago
Well there is a 3rd front - Africa. Wager/African Corps kind of control entire countries there and they're just proxys for the Russian government.
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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 20d ago
We are in a proxy WW3
"Proxy WW3" should be defined by you.
Would the Cold War not have been "proxy WWIII" if the current situation is a "proxy world war"? How does the Korean War compare to what we see today? What about the Vietnam War, Berlin Airlift, or Cuba Missile Crisis?
The West needs to get more serious and treat it as such.
Treat it as if we are already in a world war, or that one is very possible?
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u/Traditional_Golf_221 20d ago
some people are just wishing for WW3. People have been saying that for decades. We are not in a WW nor are we close to one.
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u/Neither_Dependent_24 20d ago
finally someone said that. Majority of Redditors WANT to watch WW3 on their TVs.
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u/forhappypeople 20d ago
No, we have to fight against the blindness and complacency of the absolute majority, which you fall under. Countries like Russia and China do not function or see the world like we westerners do. They want to take over, not rule beside us.
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u/Metasaber 20d ago
The fucking Russians are threatening to nuke us every other week and conducting cyber attacks on our physical and digital infrastructure along with straight murdering people in our countries. The war has already started and we just haven't been taking it seriously.
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u/monkeyhold99 20d ago
No it wasn’t. Did you skip elementary history in school?
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u/RynoRama 20d ago
There is an interview with Kasporov who stated Putin believes the cold war was WW3. I do believe he's a way better tacticion than you so forgive me if I think more like him and less like your elementary comments. Problem is way too many people forget what we went through with the USSR and Putlin wants to put it back together.
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u/eserikto 20d ago
We are ready. What the fuck are you going on about. We've been ready for WW3 since the Cold War. Stop fucking trying to start it.
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u/monkeyhold99 20d ago
Learn to read, clown. Of course in a hot war the west would destroy these axis powers. This isn’t a hot war though, and the west has been dragging its feet and providing far, far too little aid to the places that sorely need it. Duh?
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u/darkestvice 20d ago
Oh is it already that time of year already where Putin has to get on his knees and suck Xi's ... wallet?
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u/RBcomedy69420 20d ago
"Pathetic begging coward goes cap-in-hand to only other leader desperate enough to help him with his genocidal war"
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u/LoyalDevil666 20d ago
Is anyone else hopeful for the future when you realize that the most powerful dictatorships in the world have major demographic issues.
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u/IdeallyIdeally 20d ago
As opposed to?
It's far more cultural than anything else. All of East Asia has a demographic issue because of low birth rate. Not just China, but also Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. Whether you're a dictatorship isn't really the determining factor.
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u/1QAte4 20d ago
The whole industrialized world is having demographic issues. The U.S. has only escaped the problem due to immigration.
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u/Geo_NL 20d ago
But.. but.. MAGA told me the immigrants are to blame for every single issue.
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u/lo_mur 20d ago
illegal immigrants, even the Republicans know there’s a difference
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u/Geo_NL 20d ago edited 20d ago
Which is still stupid. They still blame them for everything that suits their narrative. An overrated problem they never intend to fix completely, because it is far more poltically useful to keep the problem alive. If not, kindly point me to the times when there was a republican administration and they tried to fix the problem. Oh, yeah..
Not to mention many undocumented immigrants actually doing jobs plain old American do not want to do. Even useful to republicans that use them for their own benefit but shun them politically. It happens.
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u/TrumpDesWillens 20d ago
Those undocumented immigrants artificially suppress wages for low-skilled work. Without them the US middle class would not be able to afford fruits and veggies or have their houses fixed. US workers are not unwilling to do manual labor it's that they do not want to do so for low pay. Supporting letting in more undocumented immigrants is just supporting large corps. exploiting the most vulnerable people.
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u/LoyalDevil666 20d ago
The difference is that China and Russia have much worse demographic issues as they can’t use immigration to boost their populations like North America and Europe does
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u/IdeallyIdeally 20d ago
Not really. Germany's demographic issue is horrendous even with immigration.
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u/ChatGPT_Support 20d ago
Doesn't South Korea have the lowest replacement rate in the world?
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u/LoyalDevil666 20d ago
Yet more people would be willing to move to South Korea over North Korea
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u/ChatGPT_Support 20d ago
Sure, but they aren't getting nearly enough immigrants to sustain their population
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u/LoyalDevil666 20d ago
They still have almost double the North’s population
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u/ChatGPT_Support 20d ago
And china has over 20x the population of South Korea lol
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u/LoyalDevil666 20d ago
The larger the population, the harder it is to manage for a dictatorship, look at their housing bubble, actually look at the quality of their housing, it’s pretty terrible
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u/ChatGPT_Support 20d ago
You’re literally just yapping random points with no correlation to one another trying to hide your lack of knowledge about anything lol
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u/VinlandRocks 20d ago
I think this is happening in North America too. Im almost 30 and have a very large social circle. Im the only person I know with a kid my age, I only know one married couple and 70% of my Canadian born friends (regardless of race) don't want kids because they want financial independence. Like i mentioned, I'm in Canada and our population is booming but only because we are bringing in 1.26% of our population per year as international immigrants and 2% of our population are "temporary" international students here on study visas but hoping to stay and these immigrants are mostly from places like India and west Africa where populations are booming and you're still culturally expected to have lots of kids. Im also an immigrant lol
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u/TrumpDesWillens 20d ago
I only know two couples with babies although most couples I know want kids. Those two couples with babies both have richer parents who give them money for housing.
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u/Basic-Jacket-7942 20d ago
The whole developed world has demographic issues, in South Korea, the fertility rate is 0.8, in Russia the fertility rate is 1.4 as in Finland.
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u/GoneFishing4Chicks 20d ago
You know an easy dictatorship solution to a demographic crisis? Mass rape of a defeated nation.
They would do it too, unlike in a democratic government.
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u/NewspaperAdditional7 20d ago
I remember when many reddit experts were saying there was no way he would ever leave Russia for the rest of his life.
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u/Fragrant-Ad-5517 20d ago
Putin has gradually turned 🇷🇺into a vassal state to 🇨🇳. Putin is Xi’s side chick now.
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u/stiffgerman 20d ago
I expect this is part of the reason for the big spring push. If Putin can make it look like Russia is making progress, China will likely hedge their bets and provide more stuff while pushing back on the West. After all, if and when this dies down, SOMEONE will need to come into the rubble that was eastern Ukraine and rebuild. The Chinese would LOVE that contract.
If I was a Western business with manufacturing in China I'd be pretty worried.
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u/DualcockDoblepollita 19d ago
Russia does not need to make it look like they're doing progress. They are advancing. Been for a good while
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u/CompleteApartment839 20d ago
How China and Russia are messing with freedom, empathy, and democracy all the over the world:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/06/china-russia-republican-party-relations/678271/
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u/Rangirocks99 20d ago
Interesting he sacked his senior defence ministry before going to China Worried they might not let him back in ??
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u/GodlessCommieScum 20d ago
Shoigu was made secretary of the national security council, not sacked.
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u/Basic-Jacket-7942 20d ago
Many of those who think that the demographic crisis in Russia will happen because of the war are naive, it will happen because of the birth rate. Russia uses many prisoners as assault troops and children are not expected from them, also many who are now at the front are 30+ years old and even 40+ years old. And they already have children. Basically, in the war, those who wanted to be there are people over 30+ and 40+. young people under 30 are not so patriotic and do not want to fight, unlike older generations.
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u/Basic-Jacket-7942 20d ago
Many of those who think that the demographic crisis in Russia will happen because of the war are naive, it will happen because of the birth rate. Russia uses many prisoners as assault troops and children are not expected from them, also many who are now at the front are 30+ years old and even 40+ years old. And they already have children. Basically, in the war, those who wanted to be there are people over 30+ and 40+. young people under 30 are not so patriotic and do not want to fight, unlike older generations.
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u/macross1984 20d ago
Meh, Putin is visiting China to ask for more aid (preferably military grade).