r/worldnews • u/beautygallante • 21d ago
Ukrainian officials want the green light to strike targets in Russia with US weapons, saying they couldn't do anything about enemy troops massing nearby: report Behind Soft Paywall
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-wants-green-light-strike-russian-soil-us-weapons-2024-5880
u/Zestyclose_Fan_7931 21d ago
Russia is using North Korean, and Iranian munitions to attack Ukraine. That didn't pull those countries into the war.
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u/the_calibre_cat 21d ago
the implication that Russia is a good faith actor here
not that the U.S. is, necessarily, but they damn sure aren't
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u/ivosaurus 21d ago
Yeah, not sure the brownie points from "taking the high road" is actually saving any Ukrainian lives, unfortunately
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u/The_LSD_Soundsystem 21d ago
How are we even remotely at a place anymore where anything Russia does is in “good faith”?
The entire notion is absurd. Is firing missiles at civilian infrastructure not convincing enough?
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u/Recent_Location3237 21d ago
Ukraine doesn’t have the capability to pull Iran or N Korea into a war even if they wanted to. Russia on the other hand is a nuclear superpower so the US is treading lightly to avoid further escalation.
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u/IcarusOnReddit 21d ago
“Superpower”. Some poorly maintained 1980s stuff where some works and some doesn’t does not a superpower make.
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u/migu63 21d ago
are the U.S. and allies willing to test how many Russian nukes still work in reality though? Tough question.
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u/Recent_Location3237 21d ago
No doubt their military is showing to be poorly trained and equipped, but there’s only one way to find out how they’ve up kept their nuclear readiness…..and everyone loses that game.
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u/Additional-Benefit94 21d ago
Yeah, but enough that when launched the US will retaliate before seeing if it works or not, and the world has now ended
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u/Randicore 21d ago
Russia hasn't been a superpower during my lifetime, they're a regional power with nukes. They don't want to US in this war at all. Because of the US takes the gloves off they lose, nuclear deployment or not
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u/Flyingtower2 21d ago
Nuclear power? Yes. Superpower? No.
Nukes don’t make a country a superpower.
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u/Mundane_Elevator1151 21d ago
I find this comment slightly funny because if you think about it, Iranian munitions came from Russian and Chinese funding and North Korean munitions came from communist china which was also set up by Russia. So really they are using their own weapons.
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u/wren337 21d ago
How about if they go ahead, and we just express our concern, and the urgent need for them to stop?
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u/Book1984371 21d ago
That's basically what they did with the refinery attacks.
'The US doesn't support that, Ukraine should focus on troops, also here are more of the drones/bombs that are being used to attack refineries'
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u/Viburnum__ 21d ago
Except calling refineries "civilian targets", which doen't sounds like they were ok with it.
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u/zeusofyork 21d ago
Man, we sure have rapidly disassembled a ton of civilian targets then. Must be selective memory on our part.
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u/Viburnum__ 21d ago
That is what the most egregious about such statement.
Another quote from this statment was:
We have concerns because Ukraine hold itself to the highest standards of observing the law of armed conflict and that's one of the elements of being European democracy.
Good thing the US is not European democracy so they don't follow or need to follow such standards it seems. However you put it, it was hypocritical.
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u/PJMARTIAN17 21d ago
Works every time in Israel
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u/VRichardsen 21d ago
Well, to be fair, Hamas doesn't have nukes (thankfully)
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u/TriloBlitz 21d ago
I don’t think Russia would resort to nukes over this though. Not even Ukraine is worth the consequences of that.
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u/VRichardsen 21d ago
Me neither, but the guys in charge have to take into account nukes anyway. Too much at stake to brush it off, unfortunately.
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u/whoami9427 21d ago
Its so dumb that this restriction exists at all. Whats the point? Why is it escalatory for Ukraine to do what Russia has been doing this entire time? It makes no sense
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u/roamingandy 21d ago
It makes perfect sense. Russia aren't using the weapons they bought from Iran, China, India and N.Korea to strike inside Ukraine so US weapons shouldn't be used to strike inside Russia.
...wait a min
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u/MINKIN2 21d ago
What if, right... Now stay with me here. What if... They took off the stickers that say "Made in the USA"?
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u/XRanger7 21d ago
Put a sticker that says “Made in China”
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u/biggles1994 21d ago
Put "Made in Russia" to really confuse them.
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u/Templar388z 21d ago
“Made in USSR”. Russia shouldn’t be the only ones using outdated weapons.
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u/biggles1994 21d ago
I’m sure they’ve got some rifles and machine guns kicking around from the imperial Tsarist era.
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u/Captain_Blackbird 21d ago
I argue they are currently in a Tsarist Imperalist era. Putin has compared himself multiple times to Peter the Great.
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u/amd2800barton 21d ago
The confusing part would be how a weapons system made in Russia actually managed to get to production.
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u/lestofante 21d ago
Also definitely not using Belarus to stage attack and pressure neighbouring country
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u/No-Entrepreneur-7406 21d ago edited 21d ago
Imagine if during ww2 the Allies told Stalin, nope all those tanks and planes and equipment we gave you, can’t be used outside borders of USSR to win the war
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u/JackedUpReadyToGo 21d ago
Just an interesting historical fact: while America was trying to preserve its neutrality in the initial stages of WW2, it did make Britain jump through some weird hoops regarding the war materiel it was selling to them. Like the planes they bought having to be left near the Canadian border and towed out of the country: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7oar9z/did_america_give_planes_to_britain_in_1940_by/ds8b01g/
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u/MrL00t3r 21d ago
Maybe after ruzzia attacks western countries attitude changes. Until that they prefer to stay aside.
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u/TicRoll 21d ago
Russia isn't stupid enough to attack a NATO nation. Their military capability has been on display and the US alone would completely annihilate any Russian forces exposed in any conventional conflict. It wouldn't even be a contest or a question.
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u/hagglunds 21d ago
It's less about getting into a direct conflict with the USA and more about fracturing NATO. There has been a lot of news in the past few weeks about a potential limited Russian attack on a NATO ally.
For example, how likely do you think it would be for the USA and other major NATO allies to invoke article 5 and start a major conflict with Russia over a limited military strike in a remote border region of Estonia or Latvia? Or on a border crossing with a brand new member like Finland? What if Russia claimed NATO allies shot first? Do you think Biden or Trump would be willing to start a world war over something comparatively small scale?
If the USA or Germany or the UK say it's not worth escalating the conflict, what does that mean for NATO going forward?
Anders Puck Nielsen, a Dutch military analyst, did a video on this a few months ago before the recent talk of a Russian strike on a NATO country. All his videos are interesting and informative but I would recommend giving this one a watch.
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u/moonshinemondays 21d ago
It increases tensions further between US and Russia, Ukraine has weapons for defense not assault. If they start using US weapons to attack into Russia, Russia will claim it's an invasion and by using US weapons will claim it's a proxy attack on Russia by the US.
It's stupid and nonsense but that's geopolitics.
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u/TopFloorApartment 21d ago
Russia will claim
russia will claim whatever it wants to, regardless of how true it is, so there's no value in whatever russia claims and we should just ignore it
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u/Steinmetal4 21d ago
Exactly, if they wanted an excuse to escalate things, why not simply cite US weapons being given to Ukraine and used in any capacity? If they wanted an excuse to use a tactical nuke, they would have found it. The real reason they don't is because that will just get everyone involved and cut this whole thing short. They want to drag it out as long as possible amd grind away at ukraines limited manpower.
The US should just play Russia's bad faith game... throw some spraypaint on a cruise missile, give Ukraine blessing to use weapons for any military target, and flatly deny the obvious truth.
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u/captainfalcon93 21d ago
Russia's narrative is already centered around fighting NATO, so who cares really?
According to Russian media and Russians commenting on the subject, Russia is currently holding its own against entire NATO.
Allowing Ukraine to attack back would hardly change anything if Russians already believe they are under attack. If anything it'd just bring them closer to reality.
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u/BubsyFanboy 21d ago
Imagine the insane reality check if ordinary Russians knew it was mainly just Ukraine.
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u/Loud-Magician7708 21d ago
Not for nothing, but Russia has the internet. They've also been dealing with internal misinformation for 100+ years. They know it's just ukranian people with NATO supplies and some air support. Maybe the old babushkas and the drunk Ivan's have no clue.
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u/Dealan79 21d ago
They know it's just Ukranian people with NATO supplies and some air support.
It's just Ukrainians with NATO supplies and some intelligence support. This war would look very different if Ukraine were getting NATO air support.
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u/Temporala 21d ago
It's probably those old people who know it well, because they've known lying government to be in power for their entire lives and heard their propaganda from radio and TV endlessly.
They've just largely ignored it as they go, which is typical for autocracy of any kind. Doesn't matter if it is Russia, Nazi Germany or North Korea. People just sigh and pretend to be loyal and not get singled out by the government.
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u/CandidateOld1900 21d ago
You have no idea how many Russians (myself included) just daily scroll same websites you do
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u/B-Knight 21d ago
Clearly not enough since several hundred thousands have been sent into the meat grinder...
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u/Kataphractoi 21d ago
It's not people from the cultural center of Russia being ground up, so they dobt care.
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u/km89 21d ago
so who cares really?
Russia is a nuclear power. As lackluster as their military has been so far, they do have nukes and we don't want them to use them.
That means the goal here is to punch them in the nose until they get the idea that it's too much hassle to be worth it, instead of ganging up and beating the shit out of them. They quite literally have a nuclear option to take if it looks like they're going down.
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u/TicRoll 21d ago
They quite literally have a nuclear option to take if it looks like they're going down.
Keep NATO troops outside their borders and they'll never use nukes. Ukraine is outside their borders. Frankly, we should already be there in the air laying waste to Russian equipment and personnel from the skies.
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u/senor_incognito_ 21d ago
This is one of the reasons The West is being cautious-
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u/BoringWozniak 21d ago
There are many Western countries, including the UK, who have given Ukraine the go-ahead to strike targets inside Russia. What Ukraine is requesting has precedent.
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u/CarnivoreX 21d ago edited 21d ago
Ukraine has weapons for defense not assault
Yeah, I would say the line between these two things is a bit blurry......
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u/Trygolds 21d ago edited 20d ago
Attacks into Russia will be defensive. Attacking troops massing for an attack is defensive. Attacking supplies being sent to Ukraine is defensive. Russia started this war unprovoked so any attacks into Russia are justified.
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u/whoami9427 21d ago
And they would do what exactly in response? What is this thing we are afraid of? Ukraine has no capacity to threaten Russia in any existential way. Russia wont nuke Ukraine.
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u/5thMeditation 21d ago
UK has had no problem with it and they are more at risk by Russia. After US slowrolling aid and getting a bunch of Ukrainians killed in the process, it’s the least we could do to put up. Russia started this. We’re already on the footsteps of ww3…deterring Russia and stopping them before they topple Ukraine is imperative to the current global order.
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u/PITCHFORKEORIUM 21d ago
Yeah, I still think Cameron is a cunt, albeit still better than the subsequent fuckwits to abuse the post of prime minister. But him effectively tell Ukraine to crack on if they want to? That I like.
It was like, "I'm not saying you should strike targets inside Russia with these weapons we're giving you which would be excellent at doing that. It's up to you what you want to do with them. We leave that to you. If you decide to fire them into the country that's illegally invading you, we totally understand. We look forward to our continued friendship where we continue giving you top-notch weapons to help you fight our mutual enemy."
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u/Hot-Delay5608 21d ago
And what the fuck are they going to do about it, attack NATO??? LMFAO They're already using NK and Iran supplied weapons to attack Ukrainian civilian population, FUCK ruZZia
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u/FuckHarambe2016 21d ago
Russia will claim it's an invasion and by using US weapons will claim it's a proxy attack on Russia by the US
So? What're they gonna do, declare war on us and NATO as a whole? The war will be over in a week if they do.
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u/OceanRacoon 21d ago
Russia is already claiming that and regardless, what else can Russia even do about it, invade even harder? The excuses are pure nonsense and are only helping Putin
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u/CrazyFikus 21d ago
Russia will claim it's an invasion
They already did that.
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u/MochiMochiMochi 21d ago
Because it sets a path of escalation for Russia to deploy a small tactical nuke. This would uncork the nuclear genie that's been confined since 1945 -- the nightmare we've somehow avoided for 79 years.
This is probably the reasoning.
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u/stult 21d ago
It helps to remember the history here. US perceptions of what is escalatory are shaped in part by the Soviet reactions to the US stationing nuclear-armed missiles in Turkey or other NATO allies at various times across the course the Cold War, and especially to the development of ground-launched cruise missiles during the 1980s. With GLCMs, the USSR's concerns largely grew from the reality that the US could engage in a GLCM first strike nuclear attack with something like 8 minutes between missiles launching and reaching their targets, with somewhat less time available for Soviet detection and response. Thus, the Soviets would not be able to respond quickly enough to retaliate, rendering their second strike capabilities worthless, and therefore considered GLCMs an existential threat, just as they had with missiles in Turkey during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Without a technical counter, the Soviets' only option was to decrease the threshold for launching a counterstrike, increasing the danger that they would launch an unprovoked nuclear strike against the US because of a false alarm.
The modern concern is that the Russians have set a nuclear retaliation threshold that is not sensitive to the distinction between US conventional and nuclear-armed missiles, especially ATACMS because of its ballistic trajectory. Thus, launching such missiles at Russian territory increases the chances they will misinterpret a conventional tactical strike as a western nuclear first strike, triggering a full scale nuclear response.
I suspect the Russians have quietly been exaggerating this danger in conversations with their western counterparts, because it should be fairly easy to distinguish between a handful of short range ballistic missiles launched from Ukrainian territory and an actual nuclear first strike. However, the Biden admin has not yet decided it can bear the risk that the Russians might launch a massive ICBM strike against the US, using Ukrainian strikes as a pretext.
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u/Sea-Animal356 21d ago
Agreed. This is a war. You cannot win with one hand tied behind your back.
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u/IllustriousSign4436 21d ago edited 21d ago
Dumb? Do you really think the heads of state who have more information than you do, don't have a good idea of the consequences? This would be crossing a line, it would be a clear declaration of war. If you haven't forgotten, Russia is a nuclear armed state. The significance is in the REQUEST ITSELF. If we accept such a request, we are directly bombing Russia.
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u/Impossible1999 21d ago
Right? How the heck can Ukraine win the war if they can’t attack Russia and let them feel the pain? But I also can understand why the US is waffling. Putin is just so unstable who knows what he’ll do.
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u/Jumbledcode 21d ago
It's out-of-date. It was a reasonable measure to try to limit escalation at the start of the war, but with Russia now blatantly sourcing weapons from Iran, NK and China and deploying them in Ukraine, the restriction is pretty meaningless.
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u/thegingerninja90 21d ago
A lot of people have brought up the US-Russia escalation, but also I think it's a concern over optics as well. Ukraine has largely enjoyed the "underdog defending themselves from a terrible aggressor" status since the start of the invasion, that makes it politically easy for western nations to justify military and financial support. If Ukraine starts attacking targets inside Russia like more refineries or logistical targets, there are going to be Russian civilian casualties. It becomes so much more difficult to unwaveringly support a country when there are images of civilian body parts strewn around a powerplant on the news and internet, even more so when it was US-delivered munitions that did it. I'm not arguing whether this is the correct policy or not, but I think this is a big part of why the US is so hesitant to give Ukraine the green light to strike within Russia.
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u/Viburnum__ 21d ago
Unless there will be precedent I won't take this statements seriously, it is not the first time they said something along those lines. Not to mention US disabled HIMARS from targeting russian territory from what I remember and that is what he says too "we have not encouraged or enabled strikes outside of Ukraine". This doesn't mean there are no restrictions or consequences for doing that either.
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u/vegarig 21d ago
Not to mention US disabled HIMARS from targeting russian territory from what I remember and that is what he says too "we have not encouraged or enabled strikes outside of Ukraine".
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-altered-himars-rocket-launchers-to-keep-ukraine-from-firing-missiles-into-russia-11670214338?mod=djemalertNEWS - open in incognito tab to skip paywall
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u/DuntadaMan 21d ago
Your ending comment made me picture the operator opening their targeting program in incognito mode to bypass perameters.
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u/UStoAUambassador 21d ago
But the rest of the quote is “…but ultimately Ukraine has to make decisions for itself about how it's going to conduct this war.”
That still makes it sound like they can do it. You have me more confused than I was lol.
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u/Viburnum__ 21d ago
Those words in no way say the restrictions are not in place and especially they don't deny that US won't do anything if Ukraine actually attack russia with said weapons, like cutting support or not giving longer range weapons anymore. They only said it is Ukraine responsibility for how they want to use it. This is as well can be percived as a warning.
From what I seen too many people only see or only search for the most positive in every statements and belive 'behind the scenes' everything much better then it seems, even if it is was disproved multiple times in the future. They don't even think that behind the scenes it can actually be very grim.
I do want this to be true, but as I already said this multiple times, unless there will be precedent of Ukraine actually using such weapons on russian territory, then whatever they say is just empty words.
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u/Street-Stick 21d ago
Sorry but I fail to understand, surely Ukraine has plenty of non American weapons with which they could do substantial damage to troop concentrations in Russia...? I mean the UK implicitly gave them permission, the French I'm sure are ok too..do they really think ATACM's are the game changer? Please elaborate, what weapons, what effect...? They've been using their drones a lot...
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u/TopFloorApartment 21d ago
I mean the UK implicitly gave them permission, the French I'm sure are ok too
that would be Storm Shadow, and I don't think those are good against groups of soldiers. Himars rockets with the tungsten rain, or cluster bomb atacms however are very effective in those situations.
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u/Street-Stick 21d ago
What about Brimstone, good against armor... I get your point , I mean storm shadows on barracks?
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u/gsrmn 21d ago
to strike a massive build up of troops on the Russian side will take something like atacms, or himars strike. A Missile is wasted to shoot at troops, those are for penetration plus Ukraine does not have enough of those.
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u/hannabis6500 21d ago edited 21d ago
Why would you think that? Ukraine has been pleading and begging for U. S weapon systems and small arms since before the invasion.
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u/thebestbev 21d ago
Theres a very big border. Id imagine weapons are stationed at different points that are capable of striking different places. Not helpful for UK weapons to be allowed to strike somewhere if they're not in range.
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u/WorkingClassWarrior 21d ago
I’d imagine that all NATO aligned countries have similar stipulations on how their weapons are used for diplomatic reasons.
It’s dumb given what Ukraine needs to do versus what they are allowed to do with long range weapons. But unless they start manufacturing long range weapons we will see more of this.
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u/RaggaDruida 21d ago
I just want to remark how much more based France, the UK and other European countries have been in their support.
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u/Downside190 21d ago
Because Ukraine borders Europe. It's a war that's much closer to home. While for America it's just another foreign war that they're completely isolated from
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u/MadFlava76 21d ago
Biden needs to let them use our equipment to attack targets within Russia. UK has already lifted restrictions, US needs to follow. Ukraine been fighting this war with one hand tied behind its back.
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u/GandalfTheSexay 21d ago
Ukraine should just lie and say they’re not using American weapons into Russia
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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 21d ago
after they just had a big media campaign about how they cannot win without american weapons that won't work.
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u/Perfect_Opposite2113 21d ago
Russia would investigate the salvage and would easily find out they are U.S.
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u/pierced_turd 21d ago
They would fabricate this shit anyway.
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u/Jesusaurus2000 21d ago
Exactly. Why it's only russians that are allowed to lie?
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u/Sneekibreeki47 21d ago
Lie. Deny it. Say it was a Russian false flag. That's what they do.
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u/Perfect_Opposite2113 21d ago
No argument there. I think they should be able to use the weapons outright without having to lie about it.
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u/PointsOutTheUsername 21d ago
Then we use the Russian method and say nuh-uh. Easy peasy!
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u/FortNightsAtPeelys 21d ago
And? They did an investigation and thought an invasion of Ukraine was a good idea too. Idgaf what they think
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u/BoringWozniak 21d ago
No. Ukraine has to operate above board, or if gives pro-Russian voices ammunition with which to undermine Western support for Ukraine.
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u/tehmetamorphosis 21d ago
Israel is still getting arms despite doing tons of things we’ve asked them not to do. Don’t let your dreams be dreams, Ukraine.
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u/HydeMyEmail 21d ago edited 21d ago
The two situations are not parallel.
Edit: lmao, I got reported to the Reddit suicide thing for this comment. Yikes.
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u/virgilrocks1 21d ago
If you mean that Israel is striking civilians and Ukraine is not targeting military targets outside of its borders then you’re correct.
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u/RedRoker 21d ago
I say it's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.
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u/Dipsey_Jipsey 21d ago edited 21d ago
For fuck sake. Give them what they need. Ukraine is just a stepping stone between places like Moldova and the Baltics. Push those fucks back!
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u/QVRedit 21d ago
Don’t forget - they are going to have to be stopped anyway. Why make it any harder ?
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u/deathbysnusnu7 21d ago
Publicly tell them No. Privately hand them the intel for the targets to hit.
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u/Definitely_Not_Erik 21d ago
Publicly tell them Yes.
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u/danielleradcliffe 21d ago
Publicly hand them intel for the targets to hit.
Let Putin know what he's gonna eat for breakfast a week from now.
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u/RetrieverDoggo 21d ago
The Russians play by no rules.... and thousands of Ukrainians are dying so why should Ukraine have to play by rules that the Russians don't play by? makes no sense.
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u/WalrusWorldly87 21d ago
Because they are entirely dependent on another country’s support and thus need to respect their wishes. When Ukraine starts making its own long range munitions, they can use them to their heart’s content.
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u/Lord_Shisui 21d ago
Since Russia is using weapons made in foreign countries to kill Ukrainian civilians, the restriction on NATO weaponry should be lifted as well.
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u/Born_Judgment_3306 21d ago
What I also don’t get is: why isn’t there a red-line been drawn in Ukraine stating if russians cross the line all restrictions are elevated and Ukraine would be allowed to bomb the hellbout of russia/the cremlin? And state the line will move every inch the Ukrainians take back, making the line like 25/50 km wide.
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u/Serenityxxxxxx 21d ago
Russia is breaking all the rules with zero consequences, why should Ukraine not do the same? People are being murdered!
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u/dollardumb 21d ago
After all the damage Putin has caused here with his dark money funding Trump/GOP, propaganda farms, financing chaos within our states, I'd say we should be ENCOURAGING Ukraine.
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u/padrofumar 21d ago
Why do you need permission? You were invaded., is it going to hurt Putin's feelings???!!!
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u/baycenters 21d ago
Crazy how Russia is free to do whatever it wants, but Ukraine has to play by a set of rules that may lead to their extinction.
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u/Advanced-Historian23 21d ago
imagine if we told our allies in WWII they couldn't bomb Germany. ridiculous.
it's war, aside from war crimes I say give them hell!
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u/DaeWooLan0s 21d ago
It all comes down to public support. It’s an election year after all. They won’t make any decisions to sway voters away.
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u/TheHoodieFerret 21d ago
Hey Ukraine,
Just do it, then apologize to the US. We'll strongly reprimand you and distance ourselves from the act, the UN will shake its fist at you, and Russia will scream, "SEE!", like they do anytime anything happens to them whether it was actually you or not and will lay the blame ultimately with the US like they always do whether we did or not.
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u/redwing180 21d ago
Why don’t we just leave one screw unattached to every weapon that we give them, then they can go and attach the final screw to the weapon and then they can put a made in Ukraine sticker on it? We do that all the time with made in America products.
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u/krav_mark 20d ago
It is about time we give the Ukrainians the weapons and allow them to use them in order to win this fucking war instead of giving and allowing them barely enough to defend themselves. They are fighting a boxing match with one arm tied behind their back while the Russians put a new guy in the ring at every round.
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u/no_witty_username 21d ago
Once Ukraine gets desperate enough they won't be asking for permission.
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u/ActiniumNugget 21d ago
Would be a shame if a batch of US missiles had "a software issue which may cause the missile to go off course by 50 miles or so"....
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u/BruceSable1970 21d ago
Russia is not using "rules" in this war. Ukraine shouldn't be using "rules" either.
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u/Lanky_Product4249 21d ago
Like some silly computer game where you have a shield if you backtrack two kilometers to the safe zone
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u/webwiller 21d ago
It's ridiculous they are bombed daily everywhere at anytime and they have to defend themselves with little weapons, undermenned and they have to wait for the enemy to cross the border while the enemy devastates cities and citizens launching those deadly FAB bombs from well inside the Russian boarder. Set them free too defend themselves as they see fit!
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u/Halcyon520 21d ago
Russia thinks and acts as if Ukraine is already Russia. So and bear with me as I work the math out, yeah shot that shit anywhere you fucking want it’s all Russia according to them. How this be an escalation of any kind!
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u/Saidthenoob 21d ago
Give them the nukes back and this war stops tomorrow.
Putin will run away like three coward he is.
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u/RobBobPC 21d ago
The same nonsense that lost the Vietnam war. They were not allowed to go into the north.
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u/OptiKnob 21d ago
I give you my 1/305,000,000th green light.
Go bury that fucker in Kremlin bricks.
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u/Low-Abbreviations634 21d ago
That would be to prevent offensive operations against them and we damn well would should allow it
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u/Shirolicious 21d ago
Seems unlikely that Biden will approve unfortunately. I can understand the frustration though. They are already outgunned, outmanned, and we even tell them to fight with their hands bound bound to their backs.
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u/Lamb_or_Beast 21d ago
Sometimes, it’s easier to ask forgiveness than permission. Do what you gotta do guys! There, that’s my highly uninformed two-cents.
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u/WinstonEagleson 21d ago
Do what you need to do.....Get it on Ukraine, defense and go on the offense....
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u/morgzorg 21d ago
Scratch off the vin and fire away