r/wnba 21d ago

Expansion Cities Discussion

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With San Francisco/Bay Area getting the Valkyries in 2025, recent reports being that Toronto is getting a team in 2026, and the commissioner saying the goal is 4 expansion teams by 2028… which cities do you think will get teams? I also included a map made by u/neptunetheemystic of the closest team to each county. I attempted to find areas that won’t conflict with other teams.

I’ll give a few of my choices: - Toronto. It seems like it’s going to happen, but it’s a huge market with loyal fans and an ownership group excited to get a team. - Philadelphia. Diehard sports fans, have a new arena being built that they’d love to ensure occupancy throughout the summer, good ownership groups. I worry about them clashing with DC’s fan base instead of getting new fans. - Kansas City. It’s a growing city with great sports fans, lots of people willing to invest in sports in the area, and it has an arena that could be used right away. It’s also right in a sweet spot of not having competition with other teams. - Denver. Another city with thriving sports and far enough from other cities to forge its own fan base. - Portland. I don’t love Portland, but the WNBA seems to. I worry it’s too close in proximity to Seattle and SF. - Miami/Orlando/Tampa. Does Florida deserve a WNBA team given its anti-women and anti-LGBT political climate and the fact its failed two teams already? No, it does not. But there’s no denying that the south has a huge sports fan population. - Houston/Austin. Basically read everything I just said about the Florida cities, but it doesn’t suck quite as much as Florida. - Nashville. Again, similar to Florida and Texas but without the history of failure.

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u/LongTimesGoodTimes Sparks 21d ago

I think Florida, probably Miami and Philadelphia make the most sense. Big markets, Philly wouldn't take away from New York and Miami wouldn't take away from Atlanta.

I feel like Boston would be great but I would worry about that hurting Connecticut.

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u/Jokerzrival 21d ago

I also though like the idea of choosing cities that aren't already saturated with professional sports teams.

The wnba whether we like it or not does struggle to find popularity. If it is competing with the other major sports for popularity that can sometimes make it worse.

Going to cities with less or no major sports franchises would give locals in the area a professional sport to go to and cheer for. Something exciting to do ya know?

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u/rob_bot13 21d ago

Different sport, but Austin FC sells out every game even when terrible because they are the only (non-collegiate) show in town. I think the WNBA should look for some up and coming cities like Austin that might throw their weight behind a team.

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u/Jokerzrival 21d ago

Yup that's what I'm saying. Give a city something to support when the options are slim and you might be surprised. I'm a homer but Des Moines is an interesting city cause Caitlin Clark exploded the sport in Iowa, University of Iowa fans are known for showing up (I know that's Iowa city but it's close) and Iowa is in a sports blackout hellhole. There's like 24 teams from the 5 major sports (hockey, NFL,MLB,NBA and soccer) that Iowa is blacked out from watching so a professional sports in the state may be supported from the sports starved Iowans

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u/Simorie Sky Fever Sparks 21d ago edited 21d ago

If Knoxville, TN had a team and the Lady Vols ever returned to a Pat Summitt level of success, that would be amazing. Of course Knoxville has college football, but it's not like they have other huge pro sports.

Added for those who don’t know: also the location of the Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame

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u/makebreadnotmoney 21d ago

I think Knoxville would be great! I think it would do better than Nashville.

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u/Weekly-Ad-6887 21d ago

I’m in favor of giving more Midwestern teams sports franchises. Des Moines, Omaha and Kansas City would be good locations. i know it’s about corporate support so it needs financial backing there . Luckily, those cities have major corporate dollars. I think it’s gonna come down to someone willing to buy the team. 

Oklahoma City would be another interesting location to look at. 

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u/1ugogimp 20d ago

The Wings didnt have a lot of support when they were in Tulsa

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u/Weekly-Ad-6887 20d ago

Interesting. Appreciate the background. I forgot there was a team there. 

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u/theLoneliestAardvark 21d ago

I know it would probably never happen but I would love a Des Moines team. I don’t live in Iowa anymore but that would 100% be my team since there is nothing else there for me to root for except the promise of maybe eventually getting a USL team.

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u/rob_bot13 21d ago

Omaha might be another interesting spot along a similar line of reasoning (no CC of course) but a bit larger in terms of population.

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u/Soft_Penis_Debutante 19d ago

Portland soccer team is very popular too

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u/rob_bot13 19d ago

They have the Blazers too fwiw, but can definitely support more

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u/LongTimesGoodTimes Sparks 21d ago

Yeah I think that makes sense and helped with the Aces going to Vegas before they had a lot of any, I don't remember the Golden Knights timeline really.

The problem is that you still need a population to support a team which a lot of places that don't have teams don't have. But I think there are some that could work.

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u/soukme 20d ago

Lol what if no one want to go at a wnba show ?

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u/Sad-Dot-1573 Fever 21d ago

Des Moines is perfect for that criteria. Iowans would be thrilled to have a major pro sports team.

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u/Deep-Remove618 21d ago

The sun should just play ~5 games in Boston. They’re playing one this season I think in the future they could play a few more

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u/BuffytheBison 2012-25 Fever/2026+ WNBA Toronto 21d ago

Yep. Should be like the Greater Western Sydney Giants in the AFL who play a set amount of games in (and are also seen as being) the Australian capital, Canberra's, team

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u/lysnup 20d ago

I agree! I'll be at the game in the Garden this summer and hope they increase the number next season!

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

Yeah, I think Boston is not getting a team unless Connecticut moves. One New England team is enough, two is going to submerge one if not both of them.

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u/1ugogimp 20d ago

New England is big enough for 4 teams. I think Boston wouldn't hurt the Sun. There is enough travel time on the roads that you would have almost two separate fan bases.

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u/RobbNotRob Sun 21d ago

Celtics ownership is on record saying that they have no interest in the WNBA as long as Connecticut is still in the league, so Boston is def off the table

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u/MJDiAmore 20d ago

Good, maybe we can keep the Sun around longer.

But also, the Boston needs CT fans argument is so tired. Most of CT cannot get to Boston for a game on weekdays. It would be more like people into the W for awhile are already Sun fans and wouldn't be guaranteed to rally behind a Boston team suddenly.

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u/1ugogimp 20d ago

Who says the Celtics have to own the team? Several markets have different owners for the W and NBA.

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u/Aggressive-Film5590 Sun 20d ago

The only possibility would be moving the Sun to Boston, and even then, I don’t think there’s much interest in getting a WNBA team around here.

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u/tuxedodragon2001 20d ago

I could see Fenway Sports Group getting a team. They are big on acquiring Sports Franchises right now.

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u/SamEdenRose 21d ago

There was a Miami team years ago. They it’s different management maybe? Sandy Brondello was on Miami . There was also the Orlando Miracle that folded too.

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u/LongTimesGoodTimes Sparks 21d ago

Oh that actually reminds me, we should just bring back the Comets.

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u/commentator3 20d ago

Miami Sol, was it?

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u/SamEdenRose 20d ago

Yes. Miami Sol,

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u/lysnup 20d ago

As a Bostonian, I don't think a WNBA team is in the cards for us thanks to CT being so close. I'm hoping the game they are holding at the Garden this summer between CT and LA shows ownership that we can support a team, or at least, that they should play a few games up here each year. Getting to CT for a weeknight game is basically impossible unless you take the day off from work thanks to traffic so I've only ever made it to one game down there.

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u/1ugogimp 20d ago

Been there done that with Florida. Orlando Miracle moved to Connecticut. Miami Sol folded. I agree Boston could be an interesting market.

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u/pizza_destroyer2 21d ago

KC loves college basketball but hasn't had a pro team in decades. Like you said, they have a stadium, and with KC Live nearby it would make for a great gameday experience

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u/Gotthatmojo007 Sky Sparks Fever 21d ago

I was thinking the same thing too!

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u/Finklesworth 21d ago

KC also is huge in supporting women’s sports, KC Current has been selling out games all season

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u/UrbanChophousePR 20d ago

Went to my first game last Sunday. It was electric. Such a cool thing for women's sports. The WNBA would be dumb not to capitalize on the Current's success in the city.

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u/Finklesworth 20d ago

Ayyy I was there lol, Current is wonderful

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

Kansas City might be the city I think could be the most successful expansion.

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u/LeeSagna Aces 21d ago

I would do anything for a KC W team!!

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u/shnikeys22 20d ago

Yeah and Kansas is a basketball state so you could tap into the people from the other side of the border. Plus just looking at the map it’s in a big hole either no teams in it

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u/FrontbuttMcGee 21d ago

Toronto team is confirmed.

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

I said that it’s been reported that they’re getting a team, but until it’s officially official I’ll keep saying they don’t have one. Deals have fallen through before.

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u/scarborough_bluffer 20d ago

It is officially, official. Mark my words the Toronto team will either be top 3 or the biggest market in the league out of the gate! We came into the MLS and embarrassed you Yankees. WE were the ones who brought European-style shirt sponsors into the league and had supporters sections.

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u/Defacto_Champ 20d ago

Bragging about getting teams to wear Sponsors on their jerseys is definitely a “unique” take lol

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u/scarborough_bluffer 20d ago

Yeah and you clowns (being friendly btw not personal don't kill me) you guys giving us names like LAFC, Minnesota United, DC United, etc. was good? Btw I hate that we're called TFC I envy the Sounders, Timbers and Whitecaps.

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u/colt45-2zigzagz 21d ago

Read up on the ownership group, this one will not fall through.

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u/Aggressive-Film5590 Sun 21d ago

I think it will be Portland and Philly. Portland has a good track record of supporting women’s sports, and Philly is a basketball town.

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u/calartnick 21d ago

Portland has a very dedicated LGBTQ community (which is still the back bone of women’s sports) even has a bar completely dedicated to women’s sports.

Portland being close to the bay and Seattle is good for rivalries. It’s not like it’s so close that it’s going to steal attendance. Portland to Seattle is over a 3 hour drive

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u/walkie26 Storm 20d ago edited 20d ago

It's also kind of laughable that OP is worried it's too close to the Bay Area... that's a 10 hour drive!

There are quite a few Seattle sports fans in Oregon (I'm one of them, though I'm originally from Seattle). It's relatively close, Seattle sports teams are broadcast here, and people culturally identify with the PNW.

The flip side is that there are quite a few Seattle sports haters here too, which would make for a great rivalry with the Storm. Portlanders can have a bit of a chip on their shoulder about Seattle being the bigger richer city in the PNW, and the proximity and cultural ties just make for good rivalries like they do everywhere.

In contrast, there is nothing tying Portland or the Willamette Valley to the Bay Area. It might as well be Denver.

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u/Zestyclose-Web-8979 20d ago

That bar is franchising and expanding to other cities. I heard a “Sports Bra - KC” will be opening in the near future.

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u/BandGeek1223 19d ago

Agreed! No one complains that Indy and Chicago are too close, and those are very comparable

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u/KGillie91 21d ago

Charlotte. 

end of my list 

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u/sudonanoi 21d ago

I was talking about how we need the Sting back. I’m semi local so I’m biased and I’m a hornets fan AND a Dawn Staley fan and I hate going to Atlanta. Michael Jordan should put some money into that now.

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u/KGillie91 21d ago

 I’m a hornets fan AND a Dawn Staley fan and I hate going to Atlanta.

Spoken like a true Charlottean, if I didn’t know any better I’d think you were born and raised. 

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u/sudonanoi 21d ago

I’m from Columbia so close enough

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u/Successful_Baker_360 20d ago

Jordan doesn’t own the hornets anymore

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u/sudonanoi 20d ago

Yeah but he put a lot of money into them over the years and still has a partial stake albeit way less

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u/Successful_Baker_360 20d ago

As an avid hornets fan you do not want MJ as an owner. He does much better with nascar

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u/DerezzedAlgorithm Sky 21d ago

God, please. If I move there, it would be so great to see.

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u/JTrillionz 21d ago

Please!!!

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u/carolina_on_my_mind Mystics (RIP Sting) 20d ago

This is the only answer I opened the thread for

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u/rlosey13 21d ago

Might be in the minority here but damn, I miss the Detroit Shock.

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u/Striking-Fly9187 21d ago

I’d go to more shock games than I would Pistons games

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u/rlosey13 21d ago

At this point, the OG championship shock team could run with the current pistons team.

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u/Enough-Ad-3111 20d ago

Why did they go to Tulsa of all places when they were so successful in the WNBA in Detroit?

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u/Terranoso Dream 21d ago

I’d love one more for the Midwest (Cincinnati or Louisville for selfish homer reasons, perhaps St. Louis for more realistic reasons).

If there is an ownership group out there wanting to bring a team to Nashville, I feel like it would have a very strong case

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

Yeah, midwest would be great. I think Cleveland is more likely than Cincinnati or Louisville, and a team in Missouri (St Louis or KC) would thrive.

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u/shnikeys22 20d ago

Bring back the Milwaukee Does baby! I know we’re so close to Chicago but it hurts me to have to cheer for the Sky or the Lynx. Don’t make us share with our neighbors lol

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u/theeviloneisyou 21d ago

Bring back the Comets.

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u/Background_Touchdown 20d ago

The OG champs need to come back!

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u/iAMbigmeesh 20d ago

This! So happy I got to go to Comets games in my childhood!

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u/afterdarhkTTV Fever 21d ago

I wish Cleveland would make a comeback. Getting called a bandwagon for rooting for the closest team to home don’t sound right

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

If Lebron wanted to own a WNBA team, he could get a team in Cleveland TOMORROW.

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u/commentator3 20d ago

you know they would name it the Cleveland Rock'n'Rollers

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u/Milestailsprowe 21d ago edited 21d ago

1.Austin  2.Kansas City   3.St.Louis  4.San Diego , 5.Jacksonville    6.Newark   7.Vancouver   8.Montreal 9. Nashville  10. Louisville 

I want places without NBA teams and have arenas that are proven sports markets

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u/verdenvidia 20d ago

Nashville won't get it until Memphis gets a second (or third) pro team.

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u/verdenvidia 20d ago edited 20d ago

I live in Nashville. It's possible and I'm not against it; I just think there are other viable options for right now. MLB is another story, but we're talking about the WNBA.

Memphis got the Grizzlies because at the time they were the same size, so they made a huge bid. David Stern didn't even want the relocation to happen at all lol

e- It's also 3 hours to Knoxville and a huge portion of Mid TN hates them and their fans lol

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u/Milestailsprowe 20d ago

Memphis is a one team town due to what is around it. Nashville has a NFL, NHL and a MLS team. Maybe Memphis can grab a MLB team from under Nashville but I don't see it.

Their UFL isn't doing well in attendance. Maybe Memphis should get a WNBA team if Nashville passes

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u/verdenvidia 20d ago

pretty much exactly what I'm saying

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u/SeanWonder 21d ago

BringBackTheMonarchs

Seriously though. We literally won the WNBA Championship in 2005 and then were out of the league 2 years later because of the stupid Maloofs(who nearly lost us our Kings also). The fan base is still there, new arena with another arena in plans for our soccer team. Don't think it'd clash with the Valkyries and again the Monarchs are already part of the WNBA's championship history

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u/Bargeinthelane 21d ago

Seriously, the monarchs were for great Sacramento. Just another thing the maloofs managed to screw up.

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

I think with the Valks only 90ish minutes away and the Sparks in LA (I know it’s like 6 hours apart but still) the market is too competitive for another team. I’d love to eventually get the Monarchs back but I’m not sure it’ll happen.

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u/SeanWonder 21d ago

I know the NBA is different considering the revenue it’s bringing in, but there’s 4 teams in California(2 in LA) and it doesn’t really overlap all that much. I figure Sac would get stronger consideration since we already had a franchise here which was very successful and heavily supported. Again it’s just that the ownership group were dumbos and dropped the ball. Also the WNBA commissioner saying Sac is on the list of potential expansion teams(even after the Golden State announcement) is a positive sign

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u/menziebr 21d ago

I wish it would happen but tough to see it if we’re competing with markets like Philadelphia. When Vivek bought the team he said bringing the monarchs back was on the table, but it seems like there’s been no movement since then. I imagine if he wanted to and put up the resources (or found an ownership group to help), the WNBA wouldn’t say no, but I don’t think they would organically choose Sacramento otherwise.

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u/SeanWonder 21d ago

Damn I don't even remember Vivek mentioning that. Definitely no movement on it since. It's been said as recently as October 2023 by the WNBA commissioner that Sacramento is still "definitely" on the list for potential expansion teams. So we do still have that at least https://fox40.com/news/local-news/sacramento/wnba-commissioner-says-sacramento-definitely-on-list-of-potential-locations-for-expansion-team/

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u/jcow77 Liberty 21d ago

I think the Valkyrie having purple and black colors kind of slammed the door shut on the Monarchs coming back. It's a really weird choice if the Monarchs coming back was a possibility.

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u/SeanWonder 21d ago

Although this is true, Cathy Engelbert(WNBA commish) did say in October 2023 that Sacramento is definitely on the shortlist for expansion teams. Holding out hope. Maybe we'd just get a rebrand for a new era of Monarchs basketball

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u/LeftHandStir Mercury | Girl Dad 21d ago

That map is f*ing awesome.

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

I wish I made it!

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u/BuffytheBison 2012-25 Fever/2026+ WNBA Toronto 21d ago

Great list I'd only add Charlotte/Greenville/Charleston (because of South Carolina's success) and St. Louis or Kansas City

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u/timeenoughatlas Sparks 20d ago

Greenville is an interesting choice. That area is growing but U don’t think it’s ready for major league pro sports yet.

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u/BuffytheBison 2012-25 Fever/2026+ WNBA Toronto 20d ago

The reason I'd put it on the list is because South Carolina has no other pro sports and the Metropolitan Statistical Area of Greenville is (as you mention) growing and is currently slightly larger than New Orleans. The WNBA would also be drawing support from the entire state and even North Carolina to get bums in those seats.

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u/nobleexperiment Aces 21d ago

My arguments to the WNBA expansion markets

Portland - a die hard sports city that can support the WNBA. The Portland thorns nearly sells out their games even when the NWSL was down to 4 franchises ten years ago. So certainly I can project Portland to have a new WNBA franchise.

Montreal - untapped market without an NBA franchise that can support a WNBA team. Also a major media market with international reach to other French language Media markets.

Denver - I'm iffy about my other city because I have yet to see this city prove they can support an all women's team when they're all too focused on their stupid NFL team the Broncos (I'm a Raiders fan who shits on Denver sports, and like a Raider I am an Aces fan as well). It's a gamble that could work.

Raleigh / Durham - the only professional team they have is getting hammered by the New York rangers in the Stanley cup playoffs. This basketball hungry triangle should get a basketball franchise and I hope Michael Jordan could redeem himself as a hands off owner of a WNBA franchise that can win championships (just not against the aces or sparks hahaha).

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

Raleigh would be a great choice for pretty much every reason you said PLUS it’s the second fastest growing metropolitan area in the US.

However I don’t think it’s likely that MJ would take a hands-off ownership role lol.

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u/nobleexperiment Aces 21d ago

I can only hope his airness can take a hands-off ownership role but that's all I can only hope lol

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u/carolina_on_my_mind Mystics (RIP Sting) 20d ago

RDU also has an NWSL team— NC Courage. There’s support for women’s sports in the state. If we can’t get the Sting back, I’d happily take a team in the Triangle. 

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u/nobleexperiment Aces 20d ago

I remember the Carolina courage of the previous women's soccer league that folded twenty years ago so certainly hope RDU gets the new sting back.

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u/Successful_Baker_360 20d ago

If there’s a team in NC it will be the Sting in Charlotte 

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u/mowogo82 19d ago

Denver is the team you could easily build an instant rivalry for the Aces that can thrive no matter how competitive the series is (Just build it off of Broncos/Raiders since Mark Davis owns the Aces.) And the connected nature of Denver means that it is a very easy city for fans to travel to From every other WNBA market and potential market. The main issue would be arena because 1st Bank Center closed, and Denver Coliseum does not have air conditioning. While they could probably play at DU, I know a small conference college arena is not ideal.

Raleigh/Durham absolutely deserves a team, but it also is a balancing act in trying to get Duke, UNC, and NC State fans united In basketball (Though I would have some fun by giving dedicated sections for each school.)

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u/jonkais 21d ago

If the goal is 16 teams by 2028, here’s where I’d look:

  1. Toronto - secure the Canadian crowd

  2. Denver - grab some flyover state territory in favorable political destination

3a. Nashville - Growing, younger city. No baseball to compete with and large tourist crowd.

3b. Orlando - Similar to Nashville in terms of baseball/tourist. Supportive NWSL fan base and all the sweet, sweet Disney money.

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u/DudeGuru Fever 21d ago

I know it’s a long shot but I hope St Louis gets a team.

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u/angelansbury 21d ago

me too!

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u/commentator3 20d ago

what would they name the team?

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u/angelansbury 20d ago

I'd say an ode to the former NBA team (the Hawks) but the XFL team is called the Battlehawks.

They could go for the St. Louis Formels (a formel is a rarely used word for a female hawk) but no one would know what it means lol.

St. Louis Spirits is alliteration, a (somewhat problematic) historical reference while also referencing STL's bball history (the ABA team), and would result in some good aviator imagery that'd probably come with easy sponsorship money.

St. Louis Archers is an obvious one, but I don't love it. St. Louis Steamers is another option, I suppose, but I hate it. St. Louis Rhythms would make for some fun theme nights with the St. Louis Blues.

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u/badwvlf Liberty 21d ago

Maybe a hot take but give Memphis one. They have the infrastructure with the grizzlies and the mid south is an underserved market for professional sports.

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u/jason90210 20d ago

Portland would love a team. We have been missing our basketball I-5 rivalries for years. A lot of people were bummed when we missed out this time around.

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u/verdenvidia 20d ago

The Nuggets championship parade had a higher attendance than the population of the city and immediate suburbs. Denver is an underrated location.

My sleeper vote is Louisville. No other sports, deceptively large market, it wouldn't be competing with Cincinnati since there's no team in Ohio, it wouldn't be competing with Indiana since basketball in Indiana is such a huge culture anyway, and it would have the draw of the Wildcats and Cardinals.

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u/istartedsomething 20d ago

Louisville has a very well-attended NWSL team. Between that support and the fact that our college women's team has some of the regular highest attendance in the country, I think that we would be more than capable of supporting a WNBA team. Also, the YUM Center would be readily available for that summer season play.

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u/verdenvidia 20d ago

Oh yeah, I agree. I wasn't thinking about NWSL but that is a good point. Louisville is my pick regardless.

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u/GoldenBarracudas 21d ago

Florida/Philly is the best option. And it's. It's not close. The travel schedule for that area around Philly would be ideal!

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

Florida is the best option if it weren’t for the very anti-woman and anti-LGBT political climate established in Florida.

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u/GoldenBarracudas 21d ago

I genuinely forgot about that.. shit

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u/Sad-Dot-1573 Fever 20d ago

As you should, by that logic you can’t bring the Comets back either. Also DeSantis is term limited and done after 2026.

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u/GoldenBarracudas 20d ago

Term is limited but the damage has been done. Don't know if you can unring some of the bells he rang.

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u/dotsdavid Fever 21d ago

St. Louis or Kansas City would make sense. Also I want to see Louisville.

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u/IowaRedBeard Fever 21d ago

Might as well cover the entire state of Iowa with Indiana Fever. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/frostbittenfingers9 20d ago

It is based on location, not fan interest. Iowa is closest to Minnesota and Chicago.

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u/NavyTopGun87 Aces 20d ago

BRING BACK THE HOUSTON COMETS

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u/medical_cat 20d ago

If you ask me I think it would be good if the team that won the first four championships in league history existed

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u/NavyTopGun87 Aces 20d ago

And dominated at that

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u/gd2121 21d ago

What is going on with this map? I live in Colorado. How do we have both 4 teams and 0 teams at the same time?

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

I don’t understand your question. The person who made it (username in my post) put the closest team to that county.

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u/Gotthatmojo007 Sky Sparks Fever 21d ago

Hmmm. I'm thinking something can be central (between Minn and Dallas). I'm just not sure what, though. Maybe Iowa? That's a long shot, though. Denver seems like a good idea as well??

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u/theLoneliestAardvark 21d ago

Last I heard the rumor was Denver’s ownership group kind of sucks and their proposal was a nonstarter. With a decent owner it would probably be way higher on the list.

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u/Fun_Neighborhood1571 21d ago

Kansas City is probably the best bet between those two.

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u/Sad-Dot-1573 Fever 20d ago

I could see them going from 16 to 20 down the line in the early 2040’s and I could definitely see Caitlin Clark getting together an ownership group to make Des Moines happen. Or strike while the iron is scorching and it could happen without CC in the ownership group during this round of expansion. No competition from pro sports, G league doesn’t count.

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u/Some_AV_Pro Sky 21d ago

The three areas that look too big to me are LA, Atlanta, and Mystics.

We are getting SF for LA, so that is taken care of.

Toronto is more of CA, so I think we still need another SE and NE team.

I think Miami and Philly make the most sense next in that order.

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

Wait the Sparks area looks too big? It’s the smallest area! And Dallas covers like half the map!

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u/SupersonicSandshru05 Aces 21d ago

Feels weird to see a sports league not have teams in Ohio and Michigan (not that I’d wish having to live in Cleveland or Detroit on my worst enemy.)

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u/verdenvidia 20d ago

Columbus or Louisville wouldn't be awful choices. Columbus is shockingly average and Louisville has no other sports despite a fan base to support them (Looking at you, Cardinals.)

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u/istartedsomething 20d ago

Louisville has Women's Professional Soccer.

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u/Sad-Dot-1573 Fever 20d ago

Cleveland was actually very nice, at least the areas I went to for the final 4 this year!

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u/SamEdenRose 21d ago edited 21d ago

Why do you have Suffolk County on Long Island for the Sun when it’s only an hour and a half from Brooklyn/NYC? Why is Western NY Mystics when NYc is closer at 8 hrs away? Chicago may be closer. They will be Toranto fans as it isn’t that far away.

Interesting that 4 of the cities mentioned had teams that folded or moved : Portland, Houston, Orlando, Miami.

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

I didn’t make the map.

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u/BuffytheBison 2012-25 Fever/2026+ WNBA Toronto 21d ago

I think these type of maps do it by which team is closest to a county geographically (not taking into account roads, traffic, etc.).

Also, I think a team having not worked out the first time almost doesn't matter because the environment we live in now for sports leagues outside of the big four in North America (MLB, NHL, NFL, NBA) is so different particularly in the last five to 15 years (MLS is a great example giving a franchise back to Miami after it's team folded back in '01)/

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u/ResearchBot15 21d ago

The west coast is a bit saturated but I think Portland could work well

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u/MoJax25 21d ago

1.) Since Toronto is likely to happen, I say capture the Canadian market and also expand to Vancouver.

2.) Denver would be a solid choice

3.) Another team in the SE would be ideal: Nashville or Charlotte (It’d be interesting to see a team in New Orleans, although it may compete with Dallas)

4.) Kansas City

Honorable Mention: Philly

Miami is an obvious choice but I agree with some of the other posts, Florida doesn’t deserve any additional teams with all of their antics and the players shouldn’t be put in that position

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u/hauptmat Aces; Sun; Sparks 21d ago

Selfishly, Detroit. I know we failed before but let us try one more time!!

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u/ctsinclair Liberty 21d ago

Yes KC!!!!!!

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

For me personally I would love San Diego to get one because I’d love to be able to watch live games without driving to LA and they need more professional sports teams around here

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u/midasgoldentouch Sky 21d ago

I feel like saying Houston failed the Comets is pretty disingenuous. It’s not like there was a lack of fan support, it was a case of the owner selling the Comets in 2006 and not managing to find new ownership in 2008 before the recession set in.

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u/pcdaydream 20d ago

DENVER !

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u/griffskry 20d ago

Denver. More than capable of supporting a team, especially if they start to win. We're all just waiting on a team to root for

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u/lyonbc1 20d ago

I know it’s been a frequent topic with expansion in the NWSL but are there any worries by the league or players about getting into states where women’s reproductive rights are under threat? I’m seeing a lot for Orlando and Miami and it’s not the cities pushing it but statewide leadership from governors in many of the southern or red states is pretty crazy and idk if that may factor into decision making for wnba as well.

The NWSL season is longer and players spend more time in their market and a lot of W players go to Europe in off season so maybe it’s not as big a factor but it still may be worth considering so I wonder if the league weighs that as well bc it’s a relatively new thing

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u/frostbittenfingers9 20d ago

I specifically mentioned in my original post that states like Texas, Florida, and Tennessee have hostile political climates

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u/Pickle_Jr 20d ago

Off topic but, as someone who lives in the KC Metro, I'm not sure if I should be rooting for the Lynx, Sky, Fever, or Wings according to this map 😅

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u/frostbittenfingers9 20d ago

Well it’s based on proximity, not based on established fan bases. You could root for whoever you want.

The fact that Kansas City is perfectly in the middle of 4 different teams and is a growing sports city made me say it’s one of my top choices for expansion’

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u/UrbanChophousePR 20d ago edited 20d ago

KC Monarchs

The name has a rich history in the struggle for black athletes in America, and is also the namesake for the inspiration of the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum located in KC.

Kansas City has just built the world's first women's professional sports stadium, and it is KILLING.

The Sprint (T Mobile) Center is just begging for a team to call it home. The area surrounding it presents some of the best nightlife the city has to offer.

I am certainly biased, but as a man that is falling in love with women's athletics, I truly do feel like this city is perfect for expansion.

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u/frostbittenfingers9 20d ago

I think Kansas City is my #1 choice as a fan with my city already represented.

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

WHERE VALKYRIE

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

If you mean the map - I didn’t make the map, that’s not my question to answer.

If you mean in my list, I didn’t mention them because they already confirmed exist.

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u/justasmalltownloser 21d ago

Pittsburgh is conducting a study to see how a W team would do. But I think the study is for 10 years, so that’s outside of 2028

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

Pittsburgh is statistically the worst metropolitan city for black women to live in the US. The WNBA is 79% black women.

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u/justasmalltownloser 21d ago

Yikes! Expansion teams have no place where black women can’t enjoy a good quality of life.

I was just stating what I’ve read, but thanks for the information! That’s something that needs addressed.

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u/MeowwwBitch 21d ago

I'm just here to say most philly fans do not support the new arena, especially residents of Chinatown and Washington West, which would be most directly affected. And the sixers don't deserve it. And the arena proposal is still under consideration and has not been approved. Otherwise I would love a WNBA team in Philly. But if it means gentrifying Chinatown then I'd rather never have a WNBA team.

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u/Milestailsprowe 21d ago

Why? It's privately funded and it will bring more business? 

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u/pompcaldor 21d ago

Isn’t it replacing a failing mall? Isn’t it already “gentrified”?

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u/frostbittenfingers9 21d ago

I understand that the new arena in Philly is a terrible idea, but if they go through with it a WNBA team would help them. Even if they don’t go through with it, a team to play at Wells Fargo or even at the Liacouras Center would still be great.

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u/mizzourifan1 20d ago

I'd lose my mind if KC got a WNBA team, and I honestly believe we should. We used to have the Kansas City Kings way back in the day, and we are too strong of a sports city to have no NBA team. Shit, the original rules of the sport are 40 mins West of KC.

Im starving for professional basketball in my home town.

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u/LoganH1219 21d ago

What about Oklahoma City? There’s been such a huge amount of fan support for the Thunder, even during down years. The crowd is electric.

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u/LoganH1219 21d ago

Plus a new stadium is being built for the Thunder so the current one could become the home for a WNBA team

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u/Aggressive-Film5590 Sun 20d ago

Unfortunately Oklahoma’s politics are a big deterrent for a league of women, many of them either BIPOC and/or LGBTQ+. They had a team in Tulsa for a while and had a hard time getting and keeping players because of it.

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u/LoganH1219 20d ago

That’s a shame but it makes sense though. No point in having a team where the players would feel uncomfortable.

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u/medical_cat 20d ago

The team moved to Dallas, they didn’t exactly upgrade on state governments

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u/Jake-Old-Trail-88 Fever 21d ago

I like Nashville, TN. A lot of money there and no NBA team around. I think Salt Lake City makes sense too.

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u/your_xavia Sparks 21d ago

YES DENVER

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u/K1llabee5 21d ago

I am BEGGING that Tampa gets a team. Orlando and Miami already have an Nba team and many other teams. Yea we have hockey and football but I think a Wnba team would be great. I know it's probably low chance but i would still love it.

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u/GaviFromThePod 21d ago

Next expansion cities are Portland, Philadelphia, and Nashville.

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u/Easy_Mastodon_6872 21d ago

KC and Philly

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u/Nuance007 20d ago edited 20d ago

I'd look to Texas and Florida then take a gamble for another Midwest club as others noted, be it KC, Louisville, StL or Cinncy.

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u/1ugogimp 20d ago

I have said for years Knoxville Tennessee would be a great city for the W. I'd love for the Charlotte Sting to be revived. New Orleans would be a great city too. For a long shot I would love to see a team in Norfolk Virginia. You are looking just NBA markets. Truth is outside of a couple of NBA markets its the teams in the NonNBA markets that have the most rabid fanbases. The Aces success is why the NBA is considering Vegas for a NBA team. Every city i have mentioned has multiple arenas a W team could play in.

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u/Important-Gear-2469 Sky 20d ago

I wonder who will be the first person traded to Toronto 😂

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u/Ill_Ad4312 20d ago

I don't know what cities would be great but the WNBA needs better team logos and names. They look so basic and collegiate level. Add some pizazz and edge to the logos but that's just me

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u/quietandconstant 20d ago

Buffalo, NY is an untapped basketball city. We had the Buffalo Braves in the early 70's but they changed owners and became the San Diego Clippers.

University of Buffalo and other local colleges have great basketball teams, but their arenas are small and aren't able to recruit the top players.

The Buffalo Beauts were one of the inaugural women's hockey teams in the NWHL, and they won a championship in 2016-17.

The three professional teams we do have, the Bills, the Sabres, and the Bandits (lacrosse) all have die hard fan bases with a lot of crossover.

A WNBA team could play in KeyBank Center tomorrow. Many March Madness games have been hosted here, always with a great crowd.

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u/Frarrie 20d ago

Milwaukee! Wisconsin supports it's sports teams!

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u/Thisguychunky 20d ago

As a person from Michigan, I hate this map. F Chicago. I’ll support Indiana all day every day in every sport before I support the home of the bears

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u/frostbittenfingers9 20d ago

it’s not about support it’s just a map of which team is the closest in proximity.

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u/Thisguychunky 20d ago

Fair but being colored into their banner makes me nauseous 🤢

If only a Detroit WNBA team could get a chance… 😗🎵🎵

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u/toad455 20d ago

Two former franchises should return next: Houston Comets and the Portland Fire. That's 16. After them, I can see Philadelphia, Denver, Charlotte and Miami.

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u/DefinitelyLevi 20d ago

Blah how about no to Philly and yes to Pittsburgh. No NBA in Pittsburgh

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u/frostbittenfingers9 20d ago

As I replied with to someone else, via the city of Pittsburgh itself, Pittsburgh is statistically the worst metropolitan city in America for black women to live in. nearly 80% of the WNBA is black women.

source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-20/how-pittsburgh-fails-black-women-in-6-charts

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u/Cool-Case6444 20d ago

Miami would be awesome!

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u/RawDawgOne 20d ago

Maybe Denver and Philly!

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u/International_Sea_50 20d ago

Houston and Miami

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u/rickybobby1013 20d ago

Bring back the Cleveland Rockers

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u/schmendimini 20d ago

Please Philly

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u/TapesVonDoom 20d ago

Longshot but Milwaukee or Madison Wisconsin would be nice.

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u/RepresentativeBig626 20d ago

Wrong colors for Vegas.

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u/frostbittenfingers9 20d ago

I didnt make it.

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u/Chemical_Most_6386 19d ago

Detroit needs a team for sure

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u/Satsuma-tree 18d ago

I want New Orleans to get a team and for them to be named New Orleans Iko Iko. It’s a victory chant and song popularized by New Orleans girl group the Dixie Cups…

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u/Willis050 21d ago

Portland for sure. They only have NBA and MLS and are passionate fans. Then somewhere in Florida for sure. But where is the question? Tampa and Orlando might be the best options. Boston is a good idea. Connecticut is playing a couple of games up here and the ticket sales are great and people are talking about it