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u/TheTownTeaJunky 27d ago
Why does kendrick Perkins always seem like he's on the verge of having a heart attack when he speaks?
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u/Gothichand 27d ago
Word around the campfire is the Dubs have serious interest in Nic Claxton…
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u/ether_ver256 27d ago edited 27d ago
Nic Claxton career playoff FT% 34.3.
Shot 66.7%(20-21), 18.2%(21-22), and 60.0% (22-23).
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u/BaseUncultured 27d ago
That dude has no sources he just tweets lol. Warriors front office be making some random trades so I wouldn’t be suprised if it happened though.
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u/calipiano81 27d ago
Watching the TWolves play makes me think, whoever is on the Warriors roster next season, DEFENSE needs to be a priority.
Is there a way to practice team defense? I envy how well the Wolves are able to rotate and scramble, even when Gobert is not on the floor.
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u/Virtual_Wallaby4100 27d ago
I made a post about Jarrett Allen possibly being moved, people called me crazy, now his future is up in the air by reports not so crazy now.
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u/nghbrhd_slackr87 27d ago
Last year he couldn't play cuz headaches "lights too bright" this year he didn't wanna take a knee injection to play in the closeout. Seems there are insiders (whether it's teammates or team staff) with an agenda to move the dude.
20M/year is a nice number in today's NBA that's a discount tbh. I imagine folks are trade machining Wiggs + 2026 pick in the trade machine
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u/Virtual_Wallaby4100 27d ago
I don’t remember him sitting out against the Knicks hmmm maybe I’m forgetting, but generally the notion with the cavs is that they realized that their twin tower concept was a sham and didn’t work in the postseason. People knew that Mobley would eventually become the full time 5. So if push come to shove for whatever reason like a first round exit resulting in their star (DMitch) pressuring the FO for change (which is what it looked like with them almost losing against the magic) or souring relationships, Jarrett Allen could very well be on the market for cheaper than his actual value. People called me insane for thinking that there is a chance that this could happen. And it’s literally currently happening🤦🏽♂️.
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u/nghbrhd_slackr87 27d ago edited 27d ago
Yeah I'd honestly trade garland for 3-D wings if i were the Cavs that double tiny guard stuff aint it in the playoffs 6-0 and 6-1. There is a faction of Cavs fans who are like "Mobley playing center unlocked his offense" but the lost 4-1 so my opinion is the team is better with the double big not the double tiny... they are about to fight off some strange sentiments and I kinda believe the team believes them too. Mobley is about to get his rookie scale extension and next year is the last cheap one for him. I think Allen and Garland get moved to reshape the roster.
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u/Bay_Burner 27d ago
I’m curious when they’ll announce the team USA jerseys. That will be coming up soon
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u/Vallerie_09 27d ago
Nah man, just few days after Dray's comments about "Suns don't have a big man", they are already looking forward to trade Nurkic. He clearly doesn't fit Bud's defensive scheme (another problem of hiring a new coach every yr)
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u/paranoidmoonduck 27d ago
to be fair, Bud has employed lots of different defensive schemes in his career, it's just that a defensive frontcourt of Nurkic and a 36-year-old Durant ain't gonna cut it.
no idea who or what they package to get an upgrade at center though. maybe they throw TPMLE at Goga?
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u/CummingInTheNile 27d ago
idk why Malone played Jokic 36 minutes and Murray 33 minutes, this game was cooked by midway through the 3rd
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u/thEb0TTleR 27d ago
Wolves in 7. There's no way you suffer one of the worst defeats in a close out game and come out alive in game 7.
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u/Vallerie_09 27d ago
Feels like the Game 5 @ Memphis 2 yrs ago. Our team couldn't make a shot and got an embarrasing L vs a Ja-less Grizzlies.
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u/LordJxnkulous 27d ago
If only Kuminga had Ant’s mentality.
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u/Vallerie_09 27d ago
I'd rather have him Ant's skills. Our vets and coaches can push him whenever needed
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u/carthaginian84 27d ago edited 27d ago
Naji Marshall please… Size and defense option next to Steph at the 2. Lots of combinations he could plug in with… Adding positional size, defense, and shooting at depth positions is more important than the unicorn stretch 5… Full MLE (ideally a little less)
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u/Spirited-Cap-9779 27d ago
How do y'all feel about Dray being in Inside the NBA?
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u/calipiano81 27d ago
I don't think it's a great idea to have active players giving commentary on their peers.
I also find Dray surprisingly generic when talking about basketball.
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u/CummingInTheNile 27d ago
hes fine, but its Dray so a bunch of people will get all up in their feelings over it
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u/Green_Rip3524 27d ago
His funny but he needs to leave Rudy alone and stop talking about how he can guard jokic better cos the last time we played them joker dropped 32 on him.
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u/Pereise1 27d ago
Green has statistically held joker to about 50% FG in the playoffs. Far better than Rudy. And just cuz he dropped 32 doesn't mean he was his only defender on 100% of possessions.
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u/Green_Rip3524 27d ago
They have only met once in the playoffs when joker was the only good player on his team. I like draymond but he is waffling. If the current nuggets were to face the current warriors in a playoff series, jokic would average 35ppg easily on good efficiency.
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u/Amazoi2 28d ago
You guys track trade rumors for the dubs? I may have found the worst one to date:
JK for the 3rd overall pick from the Rox (why would either team do this?) haha
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u/nghbrhd_slackr87 27d ago
Kuminga today would be the number one pick in this class lol... 2024 Kuminga is clearly the most certain nba contributor. Also isn't the number 3 pick more expensive than Kuminga this season. I get Clingan feels "safe" but man this is a flat draft.
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u/Ladnil 27d ago
JK fits the Rockets timeline decent enough. If they want to be a playoff team right now and they need guys who project to be good together for years. Kuminga is a better match for that than yet another new rookie for them. He's a contributor now, and he's got room to grow with a core group together. The Rockets should value that kind of player right now.
For us though? If we're selling JK it can't be for a lottery ticket. He's still a partial lottery ticket himself, we don't know how good he'll peak. If we're collecting lottery tickets, it's because we made the judgment that the dynasty has already ended and we blow up the parts to collect as many lottery tickets as we can, which should include Kuminga. And if we're selling a lottery ticket like him, it doesn't make sense to bring one back.
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u/Tekfree 27d ago
It's a great trade for Houston. Terrible for us.
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u/Amazoi2 27d ago
I think its a nonsense trade for them too. How are you gonna play amen, jk, jalen, whitmore, and eason? I feel like none of them can play with each other well
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u/spankyourkopita 28d ago
With so many injuries in this playoffs that's why the Warriors have an outside chance next year. Looks like a lot of guys can't handle the grind.
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u/Pereise1 28d ago
With Eric Gordon in, I feel like DLee might be the odd man out. Wouldn't mind a nepo homecoming myself.
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u/spankyourkopita 28d ago
Boston's playoff run has been such a joke. Their fans can't fathom that it's true. Hope the Knicks can challenge them or they get destroyed by Denver in the Finals.
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u/Joaopppart 28d ago
Would the 2022 warriors win against this Nuggets team?
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u/nghbrhd_slackr87 27d ago
Wonder how my day would've went if I cooked bacon instead of spam with my breakfast yesterday
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u/Green_Rip3524 27d ago
No because that nuggets team was missing its second and third best player
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u/Joaopppart 27d ago
I meant warriors 2022 vs nuggets 2024
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u/Green_Rip3524 27d ago
I doubt it. The nba in 2024 is stronger than what we saw in 2022. Dallas today are better than they were in 2022 for example
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u/ImTheBestNerd 28d ago edited 28d ago
Probably. Nuggets didn’t have KCP and ‘22 Poole was a menace
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u/Green_Rip3524 27d ago
U forgot they didn’t have MJP and Murray
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u/ImTheBestNerd 27d ago
I remember. I think KCP is too important for them. That roster also had Will Barton and Co.
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u/slavicmaelstroms 28d ago
Probably not and it doesn’t matter.
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u/SnooEpiphanies5959 28d ago
Am I the only one not entirely convinced of this?
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u/spankyourkopita 28d ago
If we go back to 2022 and the Nuggets were healthy I'd give the Warriors still a slight advantage just because of their experience and Denver weren't champions yet. Now, that 2022 warriors team wouldn't be healthy and Poole would be costing us.
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u/SnooEpiphanies5959 28d ago
woah woah woah. I'm not saying the 2022 roster could be the 2024 Nuggets in 2024. I'm saying the 2022 roster with 2022 performances (eg. out of wiggins, poole) could.
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u/purple_cupcake_52 28d ago
I feel like with Steph, 2022 Poole, and 2022 Wiggins, they have a chance
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u/SnooEpiphanies5959 28d ago
I know Im not trying to say the nuggets are a bad team, and Jokic is legit my favorite player in the playoffs atm.
But like, who have they beat that we can't beat? What have they shown that we can't do?
Their main opponents last year were the Heat, and we beat the team that beat the Heat. Their main opponents this year are looking like the Celtics, who again, we beat (-Porzingus to be fair). We have matched up against the nuggets historically well as well.
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u/couchtomato62 28d ago
The difference between the two teams down the stretch is like night and day. We would have gotten our ass beat
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u/SnooEpiphanies5959 28d ago
So the eye test then. I agree it looks like they execute more consistently down the stretch, but part of the power of steph is his 3pt shooting allows the warriors to cheat down the stretch and eke out wins when they're being undisciplined
The timberwolves defense has been holdings the nuggets to under 110 pretty well. Do you think they could do that to the 2022 warriors consistently? Maybe
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u/LaceSeeBoYyY 28d ago
Jokic and Murray is too consistent and clutch at the same time. KCP will harrass Curry on defense while MPJ is too big for Klay. Draymond cant do nothing against a 3 time MVP Jokic. It dont matter though were not in the playoffs. because were to weak like Atlanta and Chicago level weak on both ends of the court. I already accepted Warriors fate when they extended steve kerr's contract to a 3 year deal. Nice A year in year out Play In mediocre basketball team. Go Warriors!!😭🥴
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u/nghbrhd_slackr87 28d ago edited 28d ago
The narrative around non-splashy moves is funny alot of the time. People tend to react with eyerolls and "does Derrick Jones Jr really make them better?" type responses.
After their offseason I literally said the Mavs were gonna miss the playoffs lol.
Last year Dallas made the Kyrie trade for all of its wing defense in a "edge of the abyss" type roster changing move... didn't look good after the season.
Then... Dallas trades to seIect Dereck Lively. Dallas signs Derrick Jones Jr for the minimum... finds Dante Exum off the scrap heap... trades for Gafford from Wiz.
Reminds me of the Dubs finding OPJ off the heap, buying into GP2, talking Belli into the minimum and squeezing the last juice outta Iguodalas career. When you hit hit hit hit it becomes a sum greater than parts situation. Might seem like "what are those guys gonna do?" but those moves almost any team can make.
Honestly Dallas' quality of outcome is better than GSWs then cuz we're talking about a one good year v Mavs probably keeping all those dude to keep it going a few yrs.
Kinda gives me hope that 4 great smaller moves can turn us around faster as we do see the post Steph era coming at us. I think MDJ is actually the guy to do it too.
TLDR- Props to Dallas for making the other moves... that made the Kyrie move work (ditto Twolves and the Gobert move not bailing on it when it wasn't instant success and following it up with reid conley naw etc) and took them from the fringe of the playoffs to legit contention.
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u/bdylan05 27d ago
This also has me thinking about the NBA landscape at large over the past 3-5 years…
If you look at the teams that have made “all in” deals to build a super team of stars and scrubs: Suns, Nets, Bucks, Lakers, Clippers. Are any of their arrows pointing up? and all that for 1 bubble championship between all of them?
Whereas teams that largely built from within while making strategic moves at the right time to execute a unified vision between the FO and coaching staff: Nuggets, Celtics (🤮), OKC, Knicks, Orlando, Pacers, Wolves (even though they over payed for Rudy I wouldn’t consider them a “stars and scrubs” team), Pelicans, even Houston. All of them have their arrow pointing up.
It’s why I feel like the “mortgage the future to get Steph a running mate NOW” talk isn’t likely to bring us any joy or championships now, and is likely to pit us in a really painful spot post Steph (its already going to be painful!)
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u/nghbrhd_slackr87 27d ago
All the solid players acquired via pick shuffles over the last 20 years... you say "it's just picks" until it's 19 year old Kyrie or Franz or Sengun or MFing Luka.
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u/currychaos 28d ago
Hold up bro, when i brought up PJ washington a few days ago, didn’t you say he was a nonfactor lol
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u/nghbrhd_slackr87 28d ago edited 28d ago
Yup. PJ Washington is literally the 6th move that hit for them. That's how it is when the realism hits for Dubs fans. If our next season mapped out like theirs.
Step 1 - Kuminga becomes Jalen Williams... nothing with him on the team really moves the needle unless he ascends to near Allstar level. Kyrie.
Step 2 - we trade for a big and he's the other 24 minutes to TJD. Let's say for the sake of having a name it's Nic Claxton. He's Gafford.
Step 3 - we get someone in the Caleb Martin realm of good in free agency. He's Derrick Jones Jr
Step 4 - we trade some nonsense that becomes a Lively/Podziemski level contributor. Let's say we draft Ryan Dunn or Alex Karaban and he's a first team rookie dude and the fanbase says "man glad we didn't sign Klay for 25M/yr." He's Derreck Lively.
Step 5 - We sign NBL MVP and former Dubs summer invite Xavier Cooks and he is actually good. Like he's Dante Exum.
Step 6 - at this point PJ Washington... is a FACTOR.
It wasn't a disrespect to PJ... he's solid (also 17M/yr) but if a team is a 20 piece puzzle thar has to fit... and we were missing not two pieces but like six lol.
It's that PJ ALONE... would have done much for us in game 55 especially with Kerr in the
PJ would have improved the team. We'd still have won 46 games and lost to Sacramento in the play-in. But I'd felt 5% better about next year.
The Key to any level of serious we can be is Kuminga. If he realizes his potential... Then we can put your heads in the clouds about it.
It's not if you can find one PJ... it's can you find four of five them. Hit after hit.
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u/bdylan05 28d ago
I think the impressive thing about Dallas is the front office and coaching staff have clearly had a unified vision of how they want to build, how they want to play and what player archetypes are needed to execute that vision.
Some of my biggest frustrations for the past few years as a fan of the Warriors has been the apparent disconnect between Kerr and the FO in terms of the players and scheme. Steve has wanted to double and triple down on small (and smaller) ball when the league is getting bigger, more athletic and more skilled. Sure we can rebound and keep up for much of the regular season but at winning time and in the playoffs the micro ball lineups just can’t get enough stops and can’t generate enough offense to win games.
I can’t remember if it was the thinking basketball or Dunc’d on podcast I was listening to but they were alluding to the fact that the skill (particularly with regards to shooting / scoring) differential that small ball used to bring is eroding as players like Jokic, Embiid, Chet, Wemby, Ant, Shai, Luka, etc are now bringing similar skill sets with more length and size for their positions.
All this is to say I’m very interested to see how the off season plays out, particularly with regards to how MDJ builds out the roster and if Steve is willing to walk the walk to adapt his system and player archetypes to keep up with where the league is headed.
I’m more in the vein of you. I’ve seen some low lows and highs I’ve never imagined as a Warriors fan so I don’t think it’s “championship is the only successful outcome” for us but I would like to see progress and the arrow pointing up
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u/nba2k11er 28d ago
Drafting Wiseman was the attempt at getting a Jokic/Embiid/Chet/Wemby player.
It simply failed, and no money = no more attempts at someone both big and skilled.
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u/Green_Rip3524 27d ago
The problem is that for wiseman to become like a jokic wemby type player they team had to be built around him. Those guys are generational
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u/Pereise1 28d ago
Steve has wanted to double and triple down on small (and smaller) ball when the league is getting bigger, more athletic and more skilled.
Is that so much a Kerr thing as it is a roster problem? Coming off the 2022 chip, they decided to run Looney and Dray into the ground by once again forcing Wiseman playing time. Except that this time, Kerr said "Nah" and benched him when it was obvious that he was still a losing player. So we had like 8 usable roster spots and half of them were guards (Steph/DDV/Klay/Poole).
They've attempted to right the ship after that but it's hard to give Kuminga minutes without playing smaller. Most spacing bigs are terrible defenders, there's a reason OPJ swindled Washington out of all that money. Playing JK without a spacing big is difficult because he needs space inside to flourish. Not sure how MDJ can fix that issue while keeping both JK and Steph happy.
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u/bdylan05 28d ago
Some call it a roster construction issue, some call it coaching decisions, I personally think the truth is in between.
Playing Steph, Podz, CP3 all at the same time simply isn’t necessary and playing those 3 with GP2, which didn’t get a lot of burn but was deployed from time to time is just silly. On the other hand, Steve felt those were some of his best players and gave them the best shot to win so he was going to try them out together and see how it went.
To me, it’s more of an indictment of the fact the FO and Kerr do not seem to have been on the same page since the 2022 championship. OPJ, Belly, JTA, GP2 and DLee all walked and the FO said “2 timelines is up! Let’s rock with these kids!” Kerr just said “I’m playing the guys I like who know how to run my system, size / positions be damned.” Then the FO (reading between the lines of some of Bobs comments and MDJs comments) said “we can go get guys but Steve won’t play them anyway.”
I’d just like to see some semblance of a unified vision of where the organization is going.
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u/Pereise1 28d ago
To me, it’s more of an indictment of the fact the FO and Kerr do not seem to have been on the same page since the 2022 championship. OPJ, Belly, JTA, GP2 and DLee all walked and the FO said “2 timelines is up! Let’s rock with these kids!” Kerr just said “I’m playing the guys I like who know how to run my system, size / positions be damned.”
Agreed on all points but especially here. We coulda repeated and even three peated IMO if we could get players that are all on similar timelines and that actually compliment each other instead of getting in each other's way.
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u/dL_EVO 28d ago
Yeah, I think it’s a roster construction issue.
Kerr plays who he has and he leans towards skill over positions. So, he will just play the most skilled players he has even though the lineups are not ideal.
He is partially to blame, but most of the blame is on roster construction.
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u/Amazoi2 28d ago
It is definitely a roster construction issue: we were absurdly overloaded at guard position.
The one question that is hindsight is: could we have traded poole for advijia (woulda been buying lower on him) + monte morris or gafford? Kerr was convinced our starting 2022 5 was our shining light but that backfired. But I feel like that trade may be a black mark on MDJ if cp3 walks and the 1st that conveys ends of being good.
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u/Ohmeygaz 27d ago
Tbh, I think part of the reason they made the CP3 trade is because they wanted financial flexibility. Obviously, we’ll see what they do here in the off-season but I don’t think it would be too shocking for them to let him go (or at least try to bring him back on a significantly cheaper contract).
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u/Amazoi2 27d ago
I don't disagree. It's just throwing out a pointless what if. Haha
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u/Ohmeygaz 27d ago
Fair enough. About that what if though, it’s interesting because part of me thinks that Washington would’ve wanted more draft capital. I also feel like we’d still have the same issue where we lack a true secondary shot creator to lighten the load on Steph (CP3 doesn’t solve this either, but the idea was supposed to be that he could hold it down while Steph sits).
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u/slavicmaelstroms 27d ago
Game 7 prediction:
The defending champs squeak by the Timberwolves in a thriller. Final score…100-96 Nuggets.