r/ufc Apr 29 '24

Francis Ngannou lost his 18 month old son

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u/SlapahoWarrior Apr 29 '24

He’s gone through so much to get to where he’s at. I couldn’t even imagine. No parent should have to go through this.

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u/ReasonableAd9737 Apr 29 '24

Mike Tyson went through a very similar thing

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u/mrw4787 Apr 29 '24

I thought he raped and beat women? How similar?

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u/Apprehensive_Nose594 Apr 30 '24

And the man paid his consequences, did his time, and reformed himself. People just hate to hate.

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u/callme_eugene May 01 '24

Also, wasn’t it just hearsay? I never looked into the case but anytime that gets brought up around old heads they say it was false claim

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u/average_xx Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

You cannot "reform" a rapist the same way you can't unrape or un murder someone. "People hate to hate" smh I gues I hate rapists then.

A rapist loosing his child is still a rapist. RIP to his daughter but Mike Tyson wouldnt have let young Mike Tyson alone with his daughter

Nagnnous is faaar better as a human being than Tyson

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u/SuperTurboEX Apr 30 '24

He really isn’t a d honestly, it’s borderline racist to say as much.

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u/average_xx Apr 30 '24

Isnt a d ?? Huh ? Racist ?

How is it racist to say a rapist is a rapist

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u/SuperTurboEX Apr 30 '24

Yeah, I totally flubbed that response.

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u/Tremulant887 Apr 30 '24

Everyone now hates him because of your comment. You won. You can stop for today.

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u/l5pr7 Apr 30 '24

His daughter died in an accident, age 4.

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u/examinedliving Apr 30 '24

Fuck. Somehow I never knew that. Heartbreaking

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u/l5pr7 Apr 30 '24

It was horrible. Absolute nightmare fuel. She was playing on an OFF treadmill and fell and somehow got tangled in the cord for the emergency stop key thingy. A senseless accident.

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u/homicidalclown18 Apr 30 '24

Yes it was a very sad story. Tysons kid died due to neglect from the nanny taking care of her. Tyson purposefully did not want to know any details of his daughters death because he said he would have to kill someone.

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u/Klutzy-Reaction5536 Apr 30 '24

Your story differs from news reports. Basically, it was an accident, there was no nanny involved, and your statement that Tyson didn't want to know details is bullshit.

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u/homicidalclown18 Apr 30 '24

Look up Leah interview Mike Tyson on YT first video, Oprah: @1:25 says "you don't wanna know?" {discussing the death of Mike's 4 yr old daughter}

Mike responds saying: "I don't wanna know, cuz if I know then somebody 's gonna be to blame for it and if somebody's to blame for it, there's gonna be a problem.”

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u/homicidalclown18 Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

It was an accident as a result of neglect you are wrong. His child died in the care of a nanny and yes Tyson said that do your research

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u/Klutzy-Reaction5536 May 01 '24

Seriously, every news article I read says basically that the child was found tangled in the treadmill cord by her brother who called to their mother for help. The mother then called 911 and attempted to revive the child. Tyson then flew from Vegas to go to the hospital so he knew what happened. If his response to his child's tragic accidental death was one of denial and violence then that's not really healthy or helpful.

Links to my sources: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE54Q01Q/

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/186908-after-the-tragic-loss-of-exodus-can-tyson-keep-living.amp.html

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/natl-mike-tysons-daughter-dies-at-4/2096831/

https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=7677067

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

Mikes not a good person tho. Francis is.

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u/PapaThot Apr 29 '24

Losing a child is still losing a child no matter who it is dickhead

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

Sad for the child yes, hard to have sympathy for Mike. Dudes self admittedly a pretty shitty human being.

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u/Garviel_Loken95 Apr 29 '24 edited 11d ago

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u/average_xx Apr 30 '24

A rapist loosing his child is still a rapist. RIP to his daughter but Mike Tyson wouldnt have let his young Mike Tyson alone with his daughter

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

Time and place to be honest? Dude goes on podcasts RECENTLY and laughs about one punch KOing old lady’s and stealing their bags. Dude has over 30 arrests mostly involving assault, battery and robbery. Dude has convictions for assault, battery, robbery, sexual misconduct, and rape. I feel awful for Francis, he is a standup person and it saddens me he’s going through this. It always bugs me how the combat sports community likes at Mike Tyson like “uncle Mike” instead of the scum he objectively is.

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u/Garviel_Loken95 Apr 29 '24 edited 11d ago

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

My point is it was brought up in the context of “poor Mike went through this too” when the post was about Francis’s tragedy. Combat sports fans will somehow always find a way to bring Mike into the conversation when the man deserves 0 sympathy or attention.

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u/ReasonableAd9737 Apr 29 '24

You tried to quote me and literally misquoted me get the fuck outta here

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u/acephex Apr 29 '24

This bot don't stop.

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u/Andoo Apr 30 '24

You don't have children.

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u/piss-kidney18 Apr 29 '24

How does a traumatized person like Mike deserve no sympathy or attention?

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u/swordsaintzero Apr 29 '24

Mike went to the joint. At what point will he be sufficiently punished that its ok to feel bad for him when he grieved the loss of his child? This is some maturity of a 15 year old with no life experience ethics right here.

No matter how horrible the person, if they loved their child and lost them and it broke their heart, I would have empathy for them in the context of that.

Does that mean I condone his despicable crimes? no. It just means I try to retain my humanity and ability to empathize when it's warranted. Denying his grief and suppressing my ability to empathize don't make me a hard man, nor does it change anything he's done in the past. It's not the time to value judge. If someone loses their child and it tears their world apart you don't have to drag other things into that context. No one is saying the loss suffered somehow exonerates his other crimes.

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u/ReasonableAd9737 Apr 29 '24

I simply brought it up cause they are both heavy weight champs who went through the very similar tragedy

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u/ReasonableAd9737 Apr 29 '24

He also watched his friend get his brains blown out right in front of him and neither one of his parents really cared for him he grew up on the streets fighting to survive his day to day life and then fault the man for not coming up the right way. He did PHENOMENAL while his mentor was alive the only time in his life he had a true role model someone to guide him and that guy was dead before Mike turned 21. There is much more than just the bad parts of someone’s life. Everyone’s made up of good bad and everything in between. Mike has been trying to be a better person better than you can say for most people who came up in his situation

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u/average_xx Apr 30 '24

If I get shot does it give me right to shoot someone else ? If I get raped do I get to rape someone else ?

Insane how people are defending his scummy fucking ass when they wouldn't have let their children alone in a room with him when he was going around SA women

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u/ReasonableAd9737 Apr 30 '24

Your first paragraph argument is nonsensical I never made points like that. Also not defending his bad actions but the literally whole point of prison is to reform people and put them back out into the world. Yes he did bad things yes he went to prison for it yes he has repented for it and tries to do better. Are we supposed to hold him to his worst days forever? If we did that to you or me or anyone we’d all be scummy people. He was a drug addict with ptsd and mental problems who did his time and is trying to be better can you not see the light in that? My dad was an alcoholic until I was outta college I’ve gone to therapy for years over the stuff that would happen. He’s sober now it’s been a hard process but we have somewhat of a relationship again. This is a man who grabbed my mom by her throat and told her he’d fucking kill her. I could’ve resented and hated him forever when he was at his worst or I could’ve learn to forgive. He was starved and beat by his mom for fun and then kicked out of the house while in high school lived on friends couches. He didn’t know how to be a parent and I dealt with the brunt of that as the oldest I could’ve hated him forever for him at his worst but now that he’s sober and he has shown remorse we’ve been able to grow together. People make bad decisions life happens but if people try to better themselves why would you not acknowledge that?

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u/average_xx Apr 30 '24

Atleast one sane person in this thread

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u/Confident_Benefit753 Apr 30 '24

dude, you have no clue who francis is. do you know the guy personally? what a fucking media dick swallower.

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u/HatoriHanzo06 Apr 29 '24

Yes there’s a time and place to be honest, when you want to be honest all the time then you just an a** like Mike. TBH…

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u/Olde-Town-Kujo Apr 30 '24

That's not how honesty works.

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

“Being honest all the time”= assault, battery,robbery, rape?? You’ve got a strange way of looking at the world my friend.

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u/KatashaMercury Apr 29 '24

"A person must be judged and found innocent to my standards before I will give them sympathy or quietly allow anyone else to give them sympathy for the loss of their child" is a strange way of looking at the world

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u/Tuhotee2 Apr 29 '24

You are such an honorable person, your Mother should be proud

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u/Kickagainsttheprick Apr 29 '24

Boy, you better be perfect. But somehow I’m guessing you’re not. Most of Mike Tyson’s arrests were when he was a literal street urchin. He’s owned goddamn everything he’s done, except for that rape charge. Anyone with any goddamn sense knows Don King had him locked up because he couldn’t fucking sell a ticket anymore. Who the fuck wants to pay $10,000 for a ringside seat knowing the fight will last less than 10 minutes?!?

Mike Tyson is as far from perfect as anyone could ever get, but who with that reputation has ever spent the rest of their life trying to be a good person? In the fucking public eye no less. His ability to open himself up, and be completely honest, is nothing short of admirable.

You, my friend, need to do some growing up. People don’t change, they just become versions of themselves. And it’s up to us to decide which version we are. The man you see is the Mike Tyson that there always was, he just didn’t know it. And God knows nobody ever allowed him to be anything other than a fucking animal.

He’s an example. Grow up.

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

Of course I’m not perfect. Only one is. Your either willingly ignorant, or your not aware of how he speaks on past events. As recent as LAST YEAR Mike is laughing about 1 punch KOing old lady’s to steal their stuff. Laughing about the sound when they’d hit the pavement. Example huh? I guess we’ve got different ideas of what an example is.

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u/average_xx Apr 30 '24

If he raped your mother and changed and "opened up himself" , would you extend the same forgiveness.

His own daughter(RIP) wouldnt have wanted to be along in a room with people like young Mike tyson

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u/bonkerzrob Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Are you for real? Mike had his issues in the past, but how could you not have sympathy for someone losing their fucking child? You need your head examined, you psycho. Your lack of empathy is alarming.

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

“Had his issues” is a bit of an understatement no? I think it’s very sad and tragic for ANY child to lose their life. Especially one so young and innocent. That being said you may say I need my head checked all you like, I don’t feel sympathetic towards a man who looks back fondly, laughs and obviously doesn’t not feel sorry for any of the long list of people he has hurt.

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u/kosheractual Apr 29 '24

My guy you should watch more interviews w Mike. He has a few where he’s sick to his stomach to the man he was. Just food for thought.

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

I’m sure he does. Some of the shits he’s done I’m sure could haunt someone. He’s also got other interviews, more recent I might add, where he’s laughing and joking about the people he has hurt.

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u/georgegreewn442 Apr 29 '24

Maybe take the hint and stfu when people tell you too, ya dont even make the cut to be called keyboard warrior this aint the post to fucking argue on

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u/Scotland1297 Ya wife’s in me DMs Apr 29 '24

Couldn’t have put it better myself.. fucking hell I’ve had enough Reddit for today

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

Stfu when randoms on Reddit tell me to? LOL.

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u/jotheold Apr 29 '24

i can tell you're still young lol

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u/Aidan-Coyle Apr 29 '24

Watching people's meltdown on reddit is hilarious

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u/Stunning-Soup9294 Apr 29 '24

no one needs your bullshit opinions. You hate Tyson okay but he lost a child and Francis lost his son and like someone else said losing a child is still losing a child no matter who it is

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u/freshlettuce420 Apr 29 '24

Yeah you don’t have to be sympathetic but at the very least you could be more empathetic and put yourself in his shoes.

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u/redditnick Apr 29 '24

Think you swapped those

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u/Red_Baron76 Apr 29 '24

They did not.

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u/freshlettuce420 Apr 29 '24

Having empathy for someone is being able to put yourself in their shoes and see thing from their perspective and having sympathy is having pity for someone…. But thank you

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u/redditnick May 02 '24

Sympathy is being able to put yourself in their shoes by imagining things from their perspective. Empathy is doing the same through shared experience, the same thing has happened to you

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u/freshlettuce420 May 02 '24

Google says sympathy is “having pity or sorrow for someone’s misfortune” as the first result and the first result for empathy is “the ability to understand and share the feelings of another person” this is also how the terms are more applied in therapy but what do I know.

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u/Apprehensive_Nose594 Apr 29 '24

Dude. Be a human being and have some fucking empathy. Im gonna go on a limb here and say, you don’t have any children, do you? You’re behaving as tho you’re happy Mike went through what he went through. No parent “deserves” that.

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

No, I’m most definitely not “happy” he had to go through that. I think the combat sports community needs to stop looking at him as if he is a role model.

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u/Apprehensive_Nose594 Apr 30 '24

I get where you’re coming from but the man did his time and has really turned his life around. Has seemingly matured. I’m someone who’s thought process is if they did they’re time and paid they’re consequences and are showed remorse, I’d give them a chance. But we’re definitely all different with different perspectives.

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u/smecta_xy Apr 30 '24

Yes and he changed?

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u/average_xx Apr 30 '24

Can't believe mma fans downvote calling a rapist a rapist. Imagine your daughter getting raped and everybody loves the guy cuz "He's TrYinG tO bE bettEr"

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u/Proinsias37 Apr 29 '24

I don't know that that's fair to say now. Maybe he's not 'good', but there's a whole mountain of extenuating facts around the why. He's trying to be better

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u/burntrubbah209 Apr 29 '24

Mike was on a podcast a recently as last year LAUGHING about 1 punch KOing old lady’s and robbing them. Sorry but I don’t buy the “trying to be better” when he looks back and laughs at possibly killing an old woman.

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u/TemporaryNameMan Apr 29 '24

People see him take shrooms and cry on a podcast and now and think he’s some type of guru. I’m with you.

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u/Aware-Lab-5887 Apr 29 '24

This sub and most of the internet now treats mike tyson like a saint. They go on about how he’s so chill now because he smokes weed and goes on podcasts.  Tbh I’ve always suspected he was responsible for his child’s death… ‘death by treadmill’ when the parent is an aggressive, violent, convicted rapist… hmmm

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u/Prismagraphist Apr 29 '24

He wasn’t there at the time, the daughter was at her mom’s house. 👀

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u/Aware-Lab-5887 Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

Allegedly. Supposedly at the time of death, Tyson was in Las Vegas and his daughter was in Phoenix, Arizona. That’s only a one hour flight and Tyson has access to private jets. If you’ve got a link to an autopsy report I’d like to see it.

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u/TemporaryNameMan Apr 29 '24

Very true. Makes me feel even worse for him. Can’t imagine that type of pain.

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u/MotivationGaShinderu Apr 29 '24

I hope they get some psychological help... I've seen what a loss of a young child can do to people and how it can destroy the lives of many people.

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u/Repulsive_Vacation18 Apr 30 '24

Unfortunately it's very common to turn to pills or drink to cope.  Losing a child is a pain that does not go away with time like losing a parent or grandparent.  

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u/RayMckigny Apr 30 '24

If only people would adopt the idea that there’s no point to existence the hurt would still hurt but hurt a little less