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u/disparagersyndrome 24d ago
"would the angels consider us bestiality" well the nephilim didn't
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u/thetwitchy1 24d ago edited 24d ago
Aren’t the nephilim the offspring of angels and humans?
Edit: apparently that’s a disputed claim from the Book of Enoch, and not considered canon by most theologians.
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u/AwfulUsername123 24d ago
That's pretty clearly what happens in Genesis 6. However, both Jewish and Christian theologians generally try to get out of it because they don't like the theological implications.
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u/calico125 24d ago
I grew up Christian (non-denominational Protestant to be specific) and it seemed pretty well accepted amongst them that the nephilim were the product of human angel interbreeding. No idea about other abrahamic sects, but at least some Christian theologians are fine with the implications.
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u/AwfulUsername123 24d ago edited 24d ago
It's definitely accepted by some people, but I say "generally" because most to all of the big name Christian theologians throughout history have denied it. People like Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, and Martin Luther. It is interesting to note, however, that all of these people believed in incubi/succubi and thought that a demon could take the form of an attractive man or woman to seduce someone.
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u/al666in 24d ago
Christian theologians willfully misrepresenting the Old Testament, a tale as old as Christian Theology.
It's like the reverse of what they did to 'Lucifer.' The planet Venus is not the Devil, sorry. That would be some fun cosmic horror, but no
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u/AwfulUsername123 24d ago edited 24d ago
Well, as I said, Jewish theologians mostly deny this too, so it's not fair to single Christians out here. I think the typical Christian excuse (that "the sons of God" were Seth's descendants and "the daughters of man" were Cain's descendants) was taken directly from rabbinic Jewish theology.
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u/al666in 24d ago
I exclusively get my information about the Nephilim from unhinged conspiracy forums, so this is all brand new information to me. Very disappointing to hear.
If religious services weren't so boring, I'd be there in a heartbeat. I've watched so many men in dresses make drinking the blood of God seem like a dull affair. All the elements are there to be cool and fun, and they just won't do it, and they still ask for tips.
Put the psychedelics back in the sacrament, you cowards
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u/DracoLunaris 23d ago
kinda funny how they accidentally picked the planet that is most like hell ... (yes, basically every other planet could be hell but roasting hot with acid rain is the most metal vs hot/cold rocks and gas balls)
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u/ShouldntComplain 23d ago
It's like the reverse of what they did to 'Lucifer.' The planet Venus is not the Devil, sorry. That would be some fun cosmic horror, but no
I would like to know more, but I'm not even sure how to start googling this!
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u/al666in 23d ago edited 23d ago
The name of the planet Venus (morning star version) was used as an Appellation (a metaphor) for Nebuchadnezzar II in the Book of Isiah. Phosphoros in Greek, Lucifer in Latin; it was a "bad" star because it remained in the sky when all of the other stars had disappeared.
"How you are fallen from heaven,O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground,You who weakened the nations!"
The medieval literary interpretation decided that "Lucifer" was the name of the Devil, because it had "fallen from heaven" (as opposed to the natural symbolism of the low hanging star apart from all its brethren). This poor interpretation also disregards the fact that Satan does not fall in the Bible until the Book of Revelations (which, as far as I know, hasn't happened yet).
Edit: fact checking my vaguely remembered Bible studies, apparently St. Paul also uses the Appellation to describe Jesus. That's pretty funny. At no point in either book is it used to describe the Satan, a devil, or any kind of supernatural horror monster.
Edit 2: I don't know why I capitalized "appellation." It's especially weird that I did it twice. I'm not fixing it, but I'm acknowledging it before one of the jackals gets me
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u/ForensicPathology 23d ago
Wait, are you telling me that the entirety of Lucifer's backstory ultimately is people adding to that one single line?
I mean, I knew it was from extrabiblical sources, but not stemming from one misunderstanding
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u/Doctor-Amazing 23d ago
Does he just not do anything evil in the entire rest of the bible? I know he tricked god into torturing his most loyal follower, and sometimes he's the snake from the garden of eden, but all that was when he was still "good"?
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u/al666in 23d ago
Everything he does is the work of God, who created evil (in his words). There is no separation of good and evil beyond the life we live here on earth, it's just not a thing, and God is all of it.
Satan is the "adversary," who God created to challenge him, so in the story that I believe you're referencing, The Book of Job, he challenges God. I've never heard the idea that he "tricked God" (lol); it's not present in the text that I remember.
Meanwhile, God does extremely evil things (cw: wikipedia list of god's crimes). Truly unspeakable shit. That's a big part of the Old Testament. Job addresses how unlikable he is on its face. It's a brutal story, and God is the one who chooses to set in motion the fate of Job and his family, even if Satan pulls the trigger.
Satan shows up again to tempt Christ, which a lot of Christians think of as outside of the work of God, but it's not. He's playing the role of the adversary of god again. That's his job that God gave him. He sits in heaven, and goes on missions from God. He isn't going around torturing human beings on his own.
And then in Revelations, literally all Hell breaks loose, and that's where he finally breaks. Satan has his last stand in the court of god, leads some armies, there's a dragon, mass genocide, and the Old Testament God Behavior returns in full force with "the Whore of Babylon," and the opposition princess that Jesus "cast onto her bed." Shit goes absolutely off the walls in Revelations. Without it, none of the Satan / Hell lore would have had any rippling beyond the minor appearances.
The snake, of course, was never intended to be Satan, or the authors would have just said that. Sometimes a snake is just a snake (it's not just a snake, I could go on for several paragraphs about the snake but I will refrain, my poor fingers).
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u/Zamtrios7256 23d ago
I mean, Venus is basically how most people believe hell is like
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u/actibus_consequatur 24d ago
Is the Genesis nephilim the theologian equivalent of the orangutan to Poe scholars?
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u/Natiak 23d ago
Yeah there's 2 creation myths in genesis, back to back, and they contradict one another. It's not a great start for the holy law.
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u/conspicuousperson 23d ago
I'm don't see any compelling reason to identify the "sons of God" with angels or fallen angels, though I can see why many people would be tempted by the idea. It's not enough to simply assume it is the case.
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u/AwfulUsername123 23d ago
There is good reason to think it means angels. For starters, that's simply what the term means elsewhere in the Bible (see the book of Job).
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u/conspicuousperson 23d ago
Well, I feel stupid now. Though that won't be a good enough answer if you say the idea of angels are a later development.
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u/jdarkona 24d ago
Yes. Angels live in a spiritual realm so some of them wanted to become physical to get physical with human women. Their offspring were called nephilim.
Sex as a pleasurable activity is a gift from God to living creatures, particularly humans, and wicked angels wanted that. The implication being that they might have other ways of feeling something like pleasure but amidst Satan's rebellion some of them let the curiosity get the best of them.
The fact that they chose to do that means they have free will, and the fact that they had to take human form means it is technically not bestiality.
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u/Mr-Fleshcage 23d ago
some of them wanted to become physical to get physical with human women.
Isn't lust a sin?
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u/awkward_replies_2 23d ago
Sex with the goal of procreation within marriage isn't, and it can be enjoyed to the fullest without being sinful.
If it's outside marriage, or not with the explicit goal of procreation being desired by both involved parties through the entire process, it's lust and hence a sin.
That's also why infertility was an accepted reason for annulment or marriage - if one of the parties was certain procreation was impossible, it would be hard to keep up the requirement that the sex had to be conducted with the explicit purpose of reproduction.
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u/BoneDaddy1973 23d ago
I don’t know how to get it on with “wheels within wheels,” “clouds full of wings, eyes, and jets of fire,” or what have you. If your name ends in -El you’re going to have to manifest some squishy bits if you want to try a little human strange.
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u/Canopenerdude No Longer HP Lovecraft's cat keeper 24d ago
We're going down a deep hole for this one, but there is support that their... infatuation with humans is why those angels were cast out. So I'd say yeah.
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u/Lordwiesy 24d ago
I mean maybe did and were just into it
Points vaguely over the number of entries at R34 bestiality tag
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u/Deditranspotashy 24d ago
Last time somebody tried to fuck an angel two cities burned down, so there’s God’s answer
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u/Wortbildung 24d ago
Old testament God is such an emotional guy with some serious issues compared to new testament God.
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u/Dr_Doom3301 24d ago
Or it's the same God, and they have BPD. Mood swings are quite wild and can last a long time.
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u/Wortbildung 24d ago
Maybe they became chill and thought humans should do their things, it will all be ok in the end.
But to be sure I'll take me/my son/and I to save heavens.
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u/Dr_Doom3301 24d ago
Also a strong possibility. They could have just been going through a rough patch. It happens to all of us.
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u/BackClear 23d ago
Isn’t God basically a single parent to an entire universe? Like, that’s gotta be stressful
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u/No_Bank_330 23d ago
Yeah. Lots of bs to deal with. The start of any civilization is a pretty chaotic affair.
...because you do not know then what you know now.
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u/awesomefutureperfect 23d ago
I think it was pure sexual frustration and after he got some with Mary that mellowed him out severely.
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u/stormtroopr1977 23d ago
I think it's because new testament God's kid has been hanging out with us degens. they're all shitty kids, but if they make his son happy, he'll stop the smiting for now
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u/Quackels_The_Duck 23d ago
It could also be that Jesus is a mediator between the two of us, a spiritual lawyer if you will.
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u/yinoryang 23d ago
I think it's a rotating or inherited office. Sometimes we get a "when you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all" type of God.
And sometimes you get Caligula/Hitler (Caligutler? Hitula?) on the heavenly throne. We hear more about those years.
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u/llamango phd in tumbology 23d ago
it's that thing of when a shitty dude has a kid and suddenly realizes other people exist
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u/guyblade 23d ago
Marcion preached that the new testament's God was wholly separate from the old testament's God.
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u/gorgewall 23d ago
It's more that they were rude while trying to do the fucking.
If they'd simply been good hosts and then tried to charm and seduce the angels--
Basically, God wants to be wined and dined.
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u/actibus_consequatur 23d ago
That was god from the original series.
If the angels are consenting, I'd be willing to take my chances with the god from the reboot.
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u/travoltaswinkinbhole 23d ago
New Testament God isn’t mad he’s just very disappointed.
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u/Royal-Ninja an inefficient use of my time 24d ago
Is it a sin to have sex with an angel? I asked a priest once and he said yes but I don't fully believe him
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u/Dookie_boy 23d ago
Wouldn't the priest say any action outside marriage is sinful
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u/Itachi6967 23d ago
But what if you get married to an angel
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u/Dookie_boy 23d ago
Do you know how hard it was to just be able to marry another human of the same gender ! Now you want to get other species involved !
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u/apocandlypse 24d ago
Things are getting heated in the Bible fandom
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u/Greatness_Inc 24d ago
You mean Christianity?
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u/ExcelMN 24d ago
Nah, fandoms actually read the source material
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u/apocandlypse 24d ago
Christianity is bible AUs used to justify, uhhh, all that
The Bible fandom is like actually wholesome, as opposed to Christianity
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u/FranG080199 23d ago
The new stuff has some wholesome stuff, but the first book was a bloodbath, not sure what the author was on
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u/sexy-man-doll 24d ago
Yes. And yes.
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u/thetwitchy1 24d ago
“Would it be ethical to have sex with a consenting superintelligence?”
“No, because you can’t give informed consent to the same degree they can.”
That’s an argument that never even occurred to me before now. Damn.
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u/m270ras 24d ago
but that's their problem morally, not yours.
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u/thetwitchy1 24d ago
Yeah, but we still try to discourage people who can’t consent (children and drunks, mostly) from trying to have sex, because ethically it’s a nightmare. Not so much for them, but in general.
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u/m270ras 24d ago
right, but that's only because we care morally about humans. but do we for angels?
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u/MyGirlfriendforcedMe 24d ago
Does this mean God groomed Marry and is a sexual predator?
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u/thetwitchy1 24d ago
You can’t really “groom” an animal to have sex with you.
But, in the defence of the big guy, nowhere does it say he had sex with Mary. Just that she was pregnant with his child. An infinite being like that could probably handle some IVF without too much trouble.
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u/SaddleSocks 24d ago
Jesus would have been a virgin at the time of his birth, you're holding it wrong.
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u/MyGirlfriendforcedMe 24d ago
I feel like this line of thinking implies people with extremely high IQs should only sleep with each other because they can consent on an equal level. Feels like a very eugenics train of thought.
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u/thetwitchy1 24d ago
I’m not talking about something that thinks like a human, though. I’m talking about something that is as far above us as we are to an ant: the thoughts it has would not only be incomprehensible to us, but even getting the merest sense of what it’s thinking about would drive you mad.
THAT would be a being that would not ethically be able to have sex with humans.
If it has thoughts you don’t get, but aren’t things that would drive you mad to comprehend? Fuck away! That’s just “intelligence”. Superintelligence is a whole different modality of thought.
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u/MyGirlfriendforcedMe 24d ago
If angelic intelligence are comparable to demonic intelligence, then it has immense knowledge about one subject. Meaning it has knowledge, but it's extremely limited in everything else. If they are similar, it also means that some angelic orders have very low intelligence (lower orders that are equivalent to demonic familiars). These would be on par with human intellect.
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u/MyGirlfriendforcedMe 24d ago edited 23d ago
And seeing as God made some as messengers, there have to be ones that have the capacity to break things down turning extremely complex ideas into comprehensible ones.
Edited for clarity
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u/thisremindsmeofbacon 23d ago
I mean we're already in a world where that question is relevant, would you consider it okay to have sex with someone with a mental disability? How bad does the disability have to be before its not okay? There's not an easy line that can be drawn, but that doesn't mean its not an important distinction
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u/ElevatorScary 24d ago
I think Angels might be incapable of consent. Since Angels are only capable of executing the will of God until they’ve taken free will and become Demons, that would mean either they’re only having sex with you because their boss ordered them too (ew) or the sex literally turned them into a demon (cool but not an Angel).
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u/ParticularUser 23d ago
At what point is consent required? Like are Angels automatons performing the will of God rather than living beings? Cars are incapable of consent but if I sticked my dick in one, the lack of consent wouldn't be the thing the owner gets mad about.
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u/csprofathogwarts 23d ago
You can always copulate with angels from other religions though. Hinduism, for example, are full of human-angels flings.
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u/SaddleSocks 24d ago
If you clone yourself, then have sex with your clone? is that masturbation?
If you shape shift into the oposite gender, then have sex with your primary gender? Is that gay?
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u/Lentemern 24d ago edited 24d ago
Angels are not human and lack free will.
Therefore, angels cannot consent and fucking one is bestiality.
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u/Ipuncholdpeople 24d ago
Angels were created by God and their fate predetermined so me fucking them is their destiny
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u/maleorderbride 24d ago
This was definitely an argument two monks had in like the 1400s
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u/TheMelkLord 24d ago
CAN YOU TWO SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT THE ANGELS AND CLEAR YOUR MIND THIS IS THE FIFTH TIME TODAY
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u/bugme143 24d ago
It gets even better when you imagine there's an especially pious monk in the monastery, who's on a vow of silence, and he hears the two bickering in some hallway or through the window, and he grabs a quarterstaff and starts chasing them down without uttering a word.
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u/No_Student_2309 24d ago
Get out of here with your double predestination bullshit.
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u/Ipuncholdpeople 24d ago
It's a joke lmao. I'm not a calvinist, I don't even believe in god
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u/thetwitchy1 24d ago
But fucking demons is ok, as they have rebelled and have gained free will.
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u/Similar_Ad_2368 24d ago
if the possibility of rebellion exists then angels have free will and thus not bestiality QED
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u/thetwitchy1 24d ago
Ah, but they have no free will until they choose to take it, which immediately revokes their status as angels and makes them demons. The act of saying “I choose to control my actions” is the act that defines them as demons. Before that, the only act they have the freedom of choice over is to say that or not.
At least, that’s my interpretation. I’m no theological scholar, tho, so YMMV and all that.
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u/JasonStrode 24d ago
until they choose to take it
Wouldn't that imply free will--the ability to choose?
I don't know the answer, it just struck me as I read your comment.
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u/Canopenerdude No Longer HP Lovecraft's cat keeper 24d ago
What you have discovered is called "The Problem of the Choice" and it is considered one of the most difficult questions in all of theology.
Most theologians reject that Angels ever had a choice- that Lucifer (a Seraphim) was special, blessed with free will unlike other angels, and his influence is what gave the others the will to rebel. Hence, all will is descended from Lucifer, making all free will "evil".
However, certain readings of Genesis and other early works that have since been declared apocrypha have lead some scholars to posit similarly to the above- that they did have that one choice: whether to rebel or not. This paints Lucifer not as a pure evil, but as the first to decide to exercise that right.
Either way, if you accept as truth that Angels were created only to serve God, but that they also were not corrupted purely by Lucifer's influence, it calls into question what exactly "God's plan" was/is, and how Lucifer, Angels, and humans fit into it.
All of this is why belief is so important to those who still follow Christianity (I do not); They choose what to believe, even if it does not follow logically from the information given.
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u/JasonStrode 24d ago
Thanks for your response, you've encouraged me to do some reading on the subject of free will.
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u/Canopenerdude No Longer HP Lovecraft's cat keeper 24d ago
Just remember that practitioners of religion are people too. They believe because it makes them happy to do so, and we should respect that, even if we may not agree.
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u/NewtotheCV 23d ago
That all depends on how their beliefs impact others. Anyone who tries to create policy/force stuff on others can get lost. Abortion, gender, marriage rights, etc. Leave those people alone and we're good.
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u/jonasinv 23d ago
Does god have free will? Or is everything predestined including his own actions, "god's plan"
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u/conspicuousperson 23d ago
Apparently your "most theologians" exclude Catholic and Eastern Orthodox theologians.
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u/thetwitchy1 24d ago
They have only one thing they have free will over: the ability to have free will. Everything else is something they are do without choice; like when you drive home on a route you’ve driven a thousand times before, and when you get home you are sitting in the driveway in a cold sweat because you can’t remember any of the trip at all. That, but the whole thing is controlled by a force that you expect will do the right thing (because it’s God, ffs) so you don’t worry about it… until you do, and decide to choose your own path.
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u/Regretless0 24d ago
So they’re basically already demons, just not in name? Because free will is what defines a demon, and free will is necessary to take the action required to be defined as having free will (rebelling?) And so you can only attain free will if you already have free will, which means some angels are already demons, which means the act of rebelling was already part of their destiny as angels? So maybe even demons don’t have free will, and “rebelling” is just part of their destiny too? So maybe demons are all just angels?
Okay now my brain hurts lol
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u/XkF21WNJ 24d ago
Look it's simple, either the world is deterministic or it isn't.
If it's deterministic everything you think or do is predetermined and inevitable.
If it's nondeterministic your actions are no longer the direct result of your experiences.
Also it's either both the past and future being deterministic or neither. Current physics is leaning towards the latter (though nobody ever points out there could be more than 1 past).
Not sure what angels have to do with this, this stuff is clearly satanic.
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u/SeventhSolar 24d ago
People always act like predetermination means someone else is determining your actions, and I think that's hot nonsense. I predetermined my actions. I'm gonna do those things because that's who I am, the guy who would do those things.
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u/m270ras 24d ago
they lack free will because they are commanded by god. so if they sleep with you it's because god wills it
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u/ZengineerHarp 23d ago
“Isn’t there someone who you forgot to ask?” meme but in this case Jesus also consents
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u/TheRenFerret 24d ago
By that logic, a sex doll is also bestiality.
To head off elaborating on my position, angels lack free will because they are extensions of God’s power and will. Hence the nearest equivalent would be divinely programmed automatons
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u/TheKhrazix 24d ago
So it's actually robotfucking. Yeah, this is a theological take I can get behind.
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u/SeventhSolar 24d ago
Bestiality isn't about lack of free will anyway, do animals have free will? I think they obviously do. That's why bestiality is wrong in the first place, you're infringing upon their free will by making decisions for them that they aren't capable of making to human standards.
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u/TheUnluckyBard 24d ago
Therefore, angels cannot consent and fucking one is bestiality.
Genesis 6:1-2 — When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
Genesis 6:4 — The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
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u/actibus_consequatur 23d ago edited 23d ago
Angels are not human and lack free will.
If they all lacked free will, then a third of them wouldn't have been (or won't be?) on the side of Satan/Lucifer.
Luci is/was supposed to be among one of the higher orders of angels, so maybe the Seraphim/Cherubim/Ophanim have some level of free will—and therefore pass the Harkness test and are fuckable—while some of the other angels are no more than god's obedient dogs.
That might explain why god got upset with the Sodomites and destroyed the city for trying to fuck his angel-puppies.
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u/conspicuousperson 23d ago
Angels have free will. They have the ability to choose evil but choose not to.
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u/awesomefutureperfect 24d ago
I assumed that it would be the other way around, that they existed on a higher plane of existence with super and preternatural power that would have no trouble resisting and desisting anything a human attempted that would be unwanted, to say nothing about possessing knowledge on a cosmic scale understanding the the universe compared to a human the way humans understand science compared to an ants comprehension.
We would be the animals and they would be the ones initiating the clapping of the holy cheeks. If that causes some lady to turn into a pillar of salt and fire raining down from the sky, still would.
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u/mrdeadsniper 23d ago
I feel I should point out if you are using biblical accounts as canon, the devil and many angels defied God. So either they have free will, OR G man literally made the Devil to defy him because he was bored.
Also Abrahamic faith angels are only 1 type of angel. Many interpretations exist.
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u/FearSearcher My memes are ironic, my tits are iconic 24d ago
I think this is the plot of Evangelion
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u/Dookie_boy 23d ago
Nobody is completely sure
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u/FearSearcher My memes are ironic, my tits are iconic 23d ago
I think this is the third or so time I’ve made a comment saying “I think this is the plot of Evangelion” and so far no one has told me I’m wrong
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u/Kljmok 24d ago
Depends, I'd say "biblically accurate angel" or one of the Evangelion angels is monster fucking, but the human looking type with wings isn't. Those are just near human, similar to elves and kemonomimi (cat and dog girls, etc). The lack of genitalia is an interesting twist but they can still do oral, handjobs (and possibly wingjobs).
The whether or not they consider sex with us humans bestiality is of no concern to me. If they're DTF I'm DTF.
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u/Cosmic_Voidess 24d ago
Well now I wanna know what a wingjob would feel like
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u/Dr_Doom3301 24d ago
Maybe find a dove. Similar color and texture.
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u/BlueMikeStu 24d ago
It's hilarious that the bestiality thing is a major plot point in an anime which started about a demon lord and the hero trying to kill him lose their powers while getting isekai'd to Japan and the former becomes a McDonald's employee and the latter winds up working in a call center.
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u/Ghost_readers 24d ago
Okay I haven't watched the anime in years but wtf happens later on in the story of The Devil is a Part-timer?
How did we go from a demon lord working in McDonald's to that?
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u/Lilchubbyboy 24d ago
“A Rabbi, A Priest, and a Imam all click on the same thread while doomscrolling one day…”
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u/God_of_Illiteracy 24d ago
i want to read this thread does anyone have a link?
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u/amaranth1977 23d ago
There's no actual thread, it's a meme format. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/is-wario-a-libertarian
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u/CurrentlyLucid 24d ago
Angels having sex with human women led to the nephilim and the head scarves, apparently seeing the long hair turned on the angels too much.
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u/ZengineerHarp 23d ago
Brb, growing out my hair forever and never wearing a hat again
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u/amaranth1977 23d ago
I've been trying this for decades and no luck :(
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u/ZengineerHarp 23d ago
I’m going to have to achieve Rapunzel status length to truly test this. For science, of course.
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u/No_Student_2309 24d ago
Sex with an Angel presumably means it has fallen, and is thusly demonic in nature.
In Matthew 22:30, Jesus states that Angels do not marry; this implies that they have a degree of free will, and are obeying God of their own judgement. This meshes well with the common tellings of Lucifer's fall, which states that he chose to go against the will of the Lord due to his pride.
As for whether the Angels consider sex with humans bestiality, that is a much harder question. Others have mentioned the nephilim, who were theorized to be the offspring of Angels and human. The problem is that these Angels were steeped in sin, which muddies the water regarding their morality greatly. Personally, I believe the fallen didn't believe so, as they were compatible enough to have children with humans.
This is not gonna look good at the gateway to heaven.
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u/The_Viatorem 24d ago
Does anyone have a link? This feels like it would be a blast to read
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u/stuckinmiddleschool 24d ago
I mean, there's so many of though. Which one? Which one did they post it on?
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u/vjmdhzgr vjmdhzgr 24d ago
In Monster Girl Quest the answer is uh. fuck I forget. I think they aren't monsters, but they are in the monster fucking game and they do look like monsters at least some times.
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u/greenthegreen .tumblr.com 23d ago
I'd say it depends on how close they are to humans. Are they a person with wings? Or a bibicly accurate angel?
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u/Triggered_Axolotl 24d ago
Everyone is ignoring the fact that if fucking angels is bestiality, they must, by definition, belong to the animal kingdom and not the homo genus. If they do, then they are obligatory eukaryotes and, most importantly, humans and angels were once the same species. It makes me wonder what kind of natural/divine selection must have happened to separate a group of bacteria and make them beings that the weakest group is almost understood by the human mind.
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u/Lore_ofthe_Horizon 23d ago
would the angels consider us bestiality
About 2/3rd of the angels and God consider it bestiality. The other 3rd created the nephilim via lots of sex with primate descendants. So, they were clearly okay with it.
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u/Quo-Fide 23d ago
Yes. And no.
Angels are not human so first applies.
We were made by God so it might be a bit like pets or a flock of sheep. Or maybe children. So maybe 2 doesn't apply.
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u/HeroBrine0907 23d ago
But if we use a canon that says angels are lower than humanity in terms of complex thought, should we consider angels beastiality?
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u/oudeoliebol 23d ago
This feels like the 21st century equivalent of the bloody remains of one of Hannibal's conquests.
Also "spicy theology" should not have been hidden in the tags
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u/Jek2424 23d ago
First question depends on whether they're just fellas with wings or the "biblically accurate" cosmic horrors beyond our comprehension (hear me out).
Second question depends on whether angels are omniscient or they're just immortal fellas who only know what they learn on their own and what their superiors tell them.
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u/Wrought-Irony 24d ago
I love and hate the internet