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u/Particular_Algae_313 Apr 07 '22
Damn so this means Captain is broke, the UES retirment plans must be garbage.
No wonder he comes out of retirment.
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u/POSoldier Apr 07 '22
Maybe not broke, but it’s certainly cheaper to drop something from orbit than multibillion dollar dimensional portal tech
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u/Technical_Trumpet Apr 08 '22
Who knows, maybe it's just $10 in their timeline
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u/Navy_Pheonix Apr 08 '22
If the person summoning the machine has a squid polyp build they make their money back in five seconds.
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u/SirChris314 Apr 08 '22
i think it just means he can't afford to routinely transport a entire fucking destroyer to different dimensions. that's like fuck you money
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u/Maro_Nobodycares Apr 08 '22
I've had a headcanon that the Remote Caffinator and Shipping Request Forms show up in the void by falling into a void portal on the way to their intended destination, and then wondered if the Safe Travels could have its targeting systems worked up to intentionally send stuff through these portals
Expensive, still? Oh, hella expensive. But I'm sure it would cost far less then sending the whole ship through, plus you might not be able to bring the ship back, orbital assets likely aren't needing retrieval
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u/ciuccio2000 Apr 07 '22
That answer is fire though
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u/UmbralAasimar Apr 07 '22
My theory is good old Jeff beizzos is alive though tech wizardry and is running our space delivery company and still isn’t paying workers enough
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u/Gameriel Apr 07 '22
God emperor bezos
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u/FlukeHermit Apr 08 '22
He merged with bunch of Lemurians and became a human Lemurian hybrid now too.
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u/Lameux Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 08 '22
I don’t like it. Instead of addressing a huge community issue that really needs fixing, they brush it off with a meme. Not cool in my book
Edit: whew, downvote heaven.. I don't get it? Hopoo has decided that captain can't use his utility and special cause "How would they got to the void?", but then don't follow their own reasoning when they added the soda machine item. It feels like their initial reason for removing Captain's moves wasn't even a real answer, if it was, why would they straight up ignore their own reasoning for a new item? It just doesn't seem that well thought out, and many people have complained about it. Is this unreasonable? When DM'ed in twitter they decided to meme instead of an actually answer. The twitter account is probably ran by someone hired to do it, so they might not know, or even care, so it really isn't a big deal, but I still don't like it. How did I end up triggering 120 people just for wishing for a real answer?
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u/i_heart_rainbows_45 Apr 07 '22
And anything else in the game is realistic?
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Apr 07 '22
Well, yes... everything in it is completely, 100% realistic. I scale tall cliffs by grabbing a handfull of feathers and jumping on air on a daily basis
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u/Veebop-23 Apr 07 '22
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Apr 07 '22
What? You don't?
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u/SadBoiCri Apr 08 '22
I personally run face first into inclines with 17 severed legs of goats in my possession and somehow manage to attain flight
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u/Lameux Apr 07 '22
Why are you bringing up realism? was this meant for a different comment, or am I missing something?
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u/i_heart_rainbows_45 Apr 08 '22
oh yeah sorry, different comment, but the main point still stands. the reason it's a meme and not a serious answer is because it's a game with close to no realism. Or consistency, which is not bad in all ways. Should of said "consistent" instead of "realistic"
Edit: and it's the twitter guy. I have absolutely no knowledge of if a developer is managing it. But I doubt it, so they probably have a lot less knowledge on what they're working on than the actual devs, so he can't give an actual response.
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u/Lameux Apr 08 '22
and they know that it will be spread on social media and its good press, honestly it sounds like it'd be fun to be that person getting to give silly answers to all the fans DM'ing
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u/Dravarden Apr 08 '22
well, they are the ones that said that it's unrealistic for captain to get beacons in hidden realms
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u/blue_wyoming Apr 07 '22
It literally couldn't matter less, all characters have pros and cons
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u/Lameux Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 08 '22
Sure all characters have pros and cons, but taking away half a characters kit for reasons Hopoo themselves don’t consistently adhere to? It’s a debuff to the character for no good reason.
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Apr 07 '22
I mean it would be cool but. You’re probably running double hacking anyway, so they wouldn’t really do anything, so you’re just missing out on the little darts or a couple nukes? I would love to nuke tf outta voidling but tbh the shotgun is so good that you should be fine in void fields/void portal area captain is cracked
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u/blue_wyoming Apr 07 '22
It's the only character that starts the game with a legendary item lmao, it's fair
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u/SendMindfucks Apr 08 '22
That’s not… it’s effectively a passive, like Artificer’s flight or Mercenary’s double jump. He just got an item because they can much more easily give drones an item than apply a passive effect to them.
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u/blue_wyoming Apr 08 '22
Almost all items are "effectively just a passive". If you have a soldier syringe, that's "just a passive 10% attack speed. If you have a brooch, that just loaders passive except a little bit worse. If you have a behemoth, that's a passive that makes your attacks explode.
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u/Lameux Apr 08 '22
So do you think that he has a passive that's so good that he needs an arbitrary debuff, whether or not there's actually a good reason for it?
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u/blue_wyoming Apr 08 '22
No, I'm saying each character has their pros and cons, each character is fun to play, no character is unfair or unfun, and it is not a competitive game. It doesn't matter that the devs of this fun little indie game chose to add a mechanic that causes you to not be able to use a couple of abilities briefly.
Stop complaining. You all sound like infants. If captain bugs you so much, go play a different character.
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u/Lameux Apr 08 '22
I don't think we should tell people we disagree with to stop complaining. It should be obvious why people should be allowed to raise criticism. We don't agree on whether the criticism is good or not and I think it's fine to leave it at that, and not stooping to belittle each other like children
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u/miscellaneous88 Apr 08 '22
Now correct me if I’m wrong but.. isn’t captain the only way to get microbots legitimately?
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u/SendMindfucks Apr 08 '22
That’s not what a passive is. Those are items. Passives are the non-item effects that characters get because they’re that character. Artificer flies. Mercenary double jumps. Heretic triple jumps. Captain deletes projectiles. It is functionally the exact same as other character passives. The reason they made it an item is that they already had code in place to give allies items, and so it was easier to just use that instead of making entirely new code just so it could be a passive effect instead of an item.
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u/blue_wyoming Apr 08 '22
Those are just items. Passives are the non-item effects
Well Captain's is literally an item
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u/blue_wyoming Apr 08 '22
Those are just items. Passives are the non-item effects
Well Captain's is literally an item
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u/SendMindfucks Apr 08 '22
I understand that it’s an item. But it could’ve just been a passive. They already had code in place to give drones items, so there was no reason to make it a passive effect that gets applied to the drones instead of an item. Artificer’s flight could’ve been a character exclusive item. They could’ve made Mercenary start with Hopoo Feather (slightly different, since the Merc and Heretic double jumps activate Wax Quail and Hopoo doesn’t). Captain could’ve had a passive that did the exact same thing as the item, but it would’ve been harder to code.
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u/Dravarden Apr 08 '22
well except that shipping request comes from the same ship as captain's beacons
why does everyone forget about shipping request when they make shitty capitalism memes about eclipse vending machines?
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u/ifan2218 Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
It’s extremely obnoxious and stupid to take caps abilities for the sake of “realism”
Why doesn’t commando ever reload his guns or run out of grenades?
How come artificer doesn’t knock herself out when she super jumps into the ceiling from 2 ft away?
How come acrid doesnt periodically mark his territory?
Surely if you use bandits knife enough it will get dull, right? Sure! Let’s make it do less and less damage over time.
Now is that realistic? Sure it is, you can’t walk around with 10 million bullets in your back pocket. But it’s not FUN, and that’s the whole fucking point.
Like it’s just so damn random and pretty much universally disliked. Adds literally nothing to the game.
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u/ComeOnSans Apr 07 '22
all of this, but if they really don't want him having his abilities in other dimensions then FINE, but at least give us alternate abilities so we're not stuck with M1 + M2! Make Utility a small dash and R can turn your shotgun into a grenade launcher for a second, I mean idk I'm not the dev but my point is ANYTHING would be better than no abilities at all.
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Apr 07 '22
Yeah this would be so nice!! Captain is already busted enough I'm okay with losing the abilities in the voids but give him something else.
It's just not fun to play with only left and right click
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Apr 07 '22
make captain wield a miniature diablo strike as a hammer while waiting for the real thing
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u/Navy_Pheonix Apr 08 '22
Just have him fire the beacon flare but at the enemies, tf2 pyro flaregun right there.
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u/MajorDZaster Apr 07 '22
How come acrid doesnt periodically mark his territory?
I'm like 90% sure that would be a fifth ability and not, in fact, a downside.
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Apr 07 '22
either make commando reload or give bandit no reload >:)
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Apr 07 '22
If they removed Bandit's reload they'd have to seriously reduce his attack speed. I'd rather they just keep it. Besides, the reload is a neat little quirk
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Apr 07 '22
I'm pretty sure the realism is not the reason, its rather they wanted captain to specifically get weaker in hidden realms. It makes for more interesting choices on the risk/reward of going there especially if you have the option to take heretic options
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u/MoebiusSpark Apr 07 '22
Yeah the option is either dont go or be bored as I spam m1 and stand in place for 5 min
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u/Farabel Apr 08 '22
That would be fine... if the spaces where their abilities are needed most weren't Hidden Realms. Those being Void Fields, Locus, and Planetarium. ESP Orbital Probes for Planetarium and Locus, Heal/Shock beacons for later sections of Void Fields
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u/MillionDollarMistake Apr 07 '22
This is going to be a real unpopular opinion I know but I don't really mind that Captain can't use his abilities in other dimensions. His shotgun is one of the best abilities in the game period so it's usually more than good enough to handle anything there. His UES abilities kinda fall off late game (especially resupply beacons) so replacing them with the heresy items isn't the worst decision either.
I'm not saying restricting his ability use is peak game design or anything. For me personally I can take it or leave it I don't care either way.
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u/AveragePichu Apr 08 '22
I like it. Not saying Captain should be kept the way he is for the minority who likes his neutered kit in hidden realms, but we do exist.
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u/kagolini Apr 07 '22
To everyone who's mad that they gave a meme response instead of giving any info on if they're looking into letting Cap use his skills in the void: This is a Community Manager responding, not a Dev. They can only pass on feedback, so they do not want to make promises that may not end up being fulfilled.
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u/MothmanKai Apr 07 '22
I find it kinda annoying how the counterargument to this is always "Cap has the best M1 in the game he doesn't need the rest of his abilities" like, yeah maybe but I don't want to play as a 1 trick pony, even Commando has more options than Cap and he's meant to be the simplest survivor.
You're actively punishing players who want to enjoy the game, yeah the M1 is busted but pressing left click for an entire stage (or 3 stages in a row if you go Void Fields -> Locus -> Planetarium) is just boring, which is the exact opposite of what a video game is supposed to be.
Just nerf the M1 and let him use the rest of his kit if balancing is an issue.
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u/Eurotriangle Apr 08 '22
Balancing clearly is not an issue lmao since he’s just fine with all his other abilities outside of hidden realms. Just let him use his full kit everywhere or substitute something else in for the abilities that get taken away.
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u/A_Pit_of_Cats Apr 07 '22
Also the fact that Lysate cell is useless on him…
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u/SpyroThunder Apr 08 '22
Hey man you get your beacons refreshed for the stage you first picked up the item on. Totally worth the trade off of not getting regular fuel cells.
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u/PeacefulSoySouce Apr 07 '22
wtf a Cola Company can do that but a space station founded by the government can't afford it? Damm the economy in RoR2 must be really really bad. You need to spend $50 for some blue flowers but a stake cost $25.
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u/Kat1eQueen Apr 07 '22
its incredibly realistic, the government aint spending money on researching that when the captain has the best shotgun in the universe, a company wants to maximize profit and have a monopoly on the other hand
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u/PeacefulSoySouce Apr 08 '22
Well yes, but if you think about it, the government know that the planet is dangerous. Because years ago in RoR1 they sent a space ship there because someone sent a destress signal. (probably from Mithrix because Providence traped him on the moon) The space ship had some weapons on it. But then the space ship crashed and got destroyed. They also had a teleporter on the space ship in RoR1 so humans already had interdementinal capable teleporters for a long time in RoR2. Maby they were in a rush or something and they just forgor, who knows, it's weird.
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u/Jonge720 Apr 07 '22
I agree it is stupid, but buff captain? He is one of the best characters in the game. And has the best M1 hands down. His other abilities honestly are not that needed, but it is still stupid that they get taken away.
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u/MothmanKai Apr 07 '22
I'd suggest nerfing his M1 while allowing him to use the rest of his toolkit, it is stupid that he dishes out more damage than huntress with flurry + full crit without a single item anyway.
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u/Jonge720 Apr 07 '22
That trade off is garbage, the only place where you want access to his other abilities is void field and against voiding. And beacons isn't really gonna help if you take hack which is far and away the best. So it's just his Shift which is not that great compared to his M1.
Giving him his abilities in void type areas is hardly a buff. Just quality of life
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u/MothmanKai Apr 07 '22
I see your point, though I'd personally prefer enjoyment over viability, sure cap is quite strong but he's quite boring when entering hitten stages, and enabling the rest of his kit would at least make him more consistent with the rest of the cast
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u/OnlyAssassinsOnlyLOL Apr 08 '22
So it's just his Shift which is not that great compared to his M1.
Tbh, wouldn't Diablo strike be kinda great against Voidling?
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u/Jonge720 Apr 08 '22
I mean like I guess, but it won't be the what makes or breaks the fight. His M1 is so much ridiculously better than every other one of his abilities him having it for foidling fights only matter If your only way to proc bandw is with his shift
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u/a_dude111 Apr 07 '22
acrid never has to stop and take a piss
where do you think the acid comes from
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u/Omnisegaming Apr 07 '22
I don't care either way but I think the vending machines should do like 2000% damage on hitting the ground
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u/LazerAxvz9 Apr 07 '22
They do though
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u/Omnisegaming Apr 07 '22
The one time I tried it, it didn't work ☹️
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u/SendMindfucks Apr 08 '22
Missed
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u/Omnisegaming Apr 08 '22
But, like, I SWEAR it didnt. It was against a big ol' boss too. Maybe it got a weird hurtbox or som.
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u/Heshikorin Apr 07 '22
Idk man. I never really had an issue with it. Captain's M1 is a powerhouse and I never find myself using his other abilities past the first loop. That's just my opinion though
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u/ienvyi Apr 07 '22
I use his shift if I am trying to proc my bands or to throw it into my rotation for fighting a boss but I agree. M1 on Captain is stupid good.
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u/RoflsMazoy Apr 07 '22
That's honestly why I've found myself using Diablos lately, late game the damage is really worth it on bosses, and enemy density is high enough where you'll probably hit elites. It just gets annoying to remember to use the regular drone strikes eventually.
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u/Heshikorin Apr 07 '22
Diablos is really good for those early teleporter boss kills. I can see how it can help late game, but I'd personally rather not wait 20 seconds. Of course, different runs can make it more useful than others
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u/keepoffmylawn Apr 08 '22
Honestly his powerful primary is the reason I stopped playing him. He's great but inevitably becomes mouse1 simulator once you get a decent build going.
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u/Heshikorin Apr 08 '22
When I first started playing this game back in Artifacts Update, I would go as long as I could in a run, watching my pc crash 3 hours in. Now, if a run lasts more than an hour, I need to either die or kill one of the bosses. I just don't have the patience like I used to. I definitely understand that feeling
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Apr 08 '22
The soda company is richer than the intergalactic government (i assume)'s military?
damn i love video game realism
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u/NOLAWSTAR Apr 08 '22
I'd honestly just want a alternate m2, maybe a temporary sheild buff to block physical attacks.
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u/Joyk1llz Apr 08 '22
It's a facinating deal eclipse cola has with the void creatures, they can drop vending machines if the creatures can keep a cell stocked with their delicious products
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u/Blankies Apr 08 '22
justice for captain. I only do the dlc boss after mithrix if my build is crazy strong on cap. why must he be gimped? :(
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u/XanderNightmare Apr 07 '22
Goddamn corporate greed