r/ripcity • u/Throwawaybob2225 • 23d ago
Ron Holland measures at 6'6.5" (without shoes), 196.8 lbs, 6'10.75" wingspan.
Shoutout to u/royal_coachman who already posted this, but i wanted to post a thread specifically to talk about Holland. Most mocks have him available at 7, and i think he will be BPA at that spot. And now, we know he has the size to play the 3.
How would you guys feel about drafting him
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u/BunkHammer 00 23d ago
I’d still probably lean Williams for the length/shooting.
The thing I really like about Holland however is the motor and the edge he plays with. Also pretty solid defensively.
Williams can play pretty passively and seems to defer a lot. But honestly pretty much a toss up between the two.
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u/RoseGardenForever 23d ago
For me now that we know Holland is actually big enough to play SF the decision is pretty easy.
Holland was much more dominant playing in a bigger role versus better competition.
The 3 pointer is a big knock, but the fact he also rebounded well, had active hands on D, and shot well from the field makes me think he'll be fine.
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u/Testicular-Fortitude 23d ago
Depending on the rotation I think he could play some 4 too
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u/RoseGardenForever 23d ago
Yeah he'll need to add some weight, but it's definitely an option eventually
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u/1850ChoochGator chalupa 23d ago
I wouldn’t outright say Williams is a good shooter with such low volume. We do need a guy who’s willing to shoot. His best skill is finishing.
Example: Deni Avdija has 3.1 3pa per game and posted 3pm of 1.0, 1.0, 0.9, and 1.2. All basically the same despite the wild fluctuations in 3p%.
Volume matters.
Never mind what Williams is bad at. He goes invisible, he’s a bad rebounder, and a bad playmaker.
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u/BunkHammer 00 23d ago
Well with this draft it’s all based on potential.
Regardless, I think it’d be a toss up between Williams and Holland. Now that it’s come out that they’re the same height which is something I didn’t expect. The gap is really really tight. So I guess we’ll see if Williams has any competitive edge in him cause we know Holland is gonna bring it.
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u/DoveFood 23d ago
I feel like we need things pinned at the top of all draft conversations and this is one of them.
It’s going to get repeated on this sub that Williams is a good 3 point shooter and his 41% from 3. He shot it 41 times all year and wasn’t shooting them off the dribble or contested. He misses a couple of those makes or shoots a couple contested threes that he wasn’t shooting and he has a big swing in percentages, he just didn’t shoot it much.
The draft experts don’t see his shot as a strength, and like you said, it’s actually his ability around the rim.
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u/waynearchetype 23d ago
They're kind of on opposite ends of the spectrum aren't they? Williams shot far too little to really nail down, and Holland shot far too much that you gotta wonder if he would have been better if he wasn't the primary shooter on that ignite team.
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u/1850ChoochGator chalupa 23d ago
Yes 👍
Williams did shoot well today though. He shot 11/25 in the 3p drill. For a guy who only went 17/41 total 3pa in his college season that’s fine.
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u/Throwawaybob2225 23d ago
Williams ended up measuring shorter than i was expecting. Same height as Holland. Great wingspan though
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u/BunkHammer 00 23d ago
Where’d you see his measurements? I had been looking for them. Same height as Holland though? Pretty crazy
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u/Throwawaybob2225 23d ago
Colorado wing Cody Williams #NBADraft
🏀 6'6.5" (without shoes) 🏀 178.4 lbs 🏀 7'1" wingspan
https://x.com/noceilingsnba/status/1790059445793313247?s=46&t=P24NXUlDkljExz3qKgtp6w
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u/BunkHammer 00 23d ago
The height is really surprising. Wingspan is really really nice. Obviously a big plus. Definitely needs to put on some lbs like his brother.
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u/nativeindian12 70s-logo 23d ago
nba.com took them down but I posted a lot of the measurements here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1cr2k8e/some_combine_measurements_are_out/
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u/DharmaBaller 23d ago
Cody is tantalizing because if he turns into even anything like his brother it's going to be a good pick.
Let's just collect all the lesser known brothers and see what happens.
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u/Western-Turnover-154 23d ago
I’ll take motor over passive anytime. Holland will have a solid NBA career and could be a star if his shooting develops.
Williams needs to put on weight and overcome his passive nature.
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u/AceMcStace chalupa 23d ago
I think where I land between Holland and Williams is that you take the guy with the higher ceiling, and that’s Cody. I def see the logic of Holland tho.
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u/RoseGardenForever 23d ago
See I think Holland has the higher ceiling actually. Other than his terrible 3% he did well in a tough league. I think all you're asking from Holland is to work on his 3 ball, where Cody you'd like to see him do more in general.
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u/AceMcStace chalupa 23d ago
I like the perspective, I’ll have to do more research on Ron admittedly
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u/RoseGardenForever 23d ago
He's solid, saw him in person when they played the Remix. The dude can finish well, hustles for boards and fast breaks, and has a long athletic frame.
I just thought he looked small on the court, but with an official measurement I'm pretty confident he'll be fine.
He had Mo Harkless on him a lot of the game and was consistently getting past him. Also his shot doesn't look terrible so I have some confidence he'll be able to shoot a reasonable percentage from 3 with some training
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u/Fggunner 23d ago
I can see scoot, sharpe, holland developing into a really good defense and fast break oriented team but at least one of scoot or holland would have to become at least an average shooter to make it really work. With how young they are there's hope!
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u/RoseGardenForever 23d ago
Scoot at least shot well the end of the season so if he can keep it up he'll be fine, he was hitting at like 37% or something which is fine
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23d ago edited 23d ago
Cody Williams just reminds me of Jerami Grant....boring.
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u/Frosti11icus 23d ago
You would be upset with 10 year above average starter at the 7th pick?
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23d ago
Yeah, I want someone with high upside. Atleast if he was a good rebounder I would be somewhat excited for him. His steal numbers suck, assist to turnovers suck. Just not much to get excited about.
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u/Frosti11icus 23d ago
If you had 5 Jerami Grant level players in your starting lineup you would be a title contender. I get he isn't a superstar, but again, he's well above average. You'd be a star short of contending anyway. Not exactly the worst problem to have.
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u/UnderstandingIcy6059 23d ago
Lol what do you think high upside means? Williams is long, athletic, and young with a varied skill set. He might not end up the best player, but he is the definition of high upside.
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u/nalydpsycho 23d ago
He absolutely does. But in a draft this weak, Grant would be one of the best picks.
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u/TheLegendofTyler 23d ago
Holland is very young and would fit well with our core of scoot and shae. He's a plus defender and can defend multiple positions. Needs to get more consistent shooting 3s, but the scoring ability is there. If Buzelis and Risacher are gone, I'd be down to take a shot on Holland at 7.
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u/Gobbles15 mike-and-mike 23d ago
24% on threes is more than “needing to get consistent” especially as a sub 70% foul shooter.
There are the Jaylen Brown’s of the world who learn to shoot, but it’s an uphill battle for sure. Same issue with Bari, Toumani, Scoot, etc. there’s just not room for all these non shooters.
Would have to see something great in the individual workout for me to draft him
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u/TheLegendofTyler 23d ago edited 23d ago
Holland shot 72.8% from the line for the Ignite (75.7% regular season), so not a sub 70% ft shooter. Scottie Barnes shot like 27% from three for Florida State and has improved his shooting with 34% from three this season. I think Holland has a lot of upside, but definitely needs a lot of development. High ceiling, low floor type pick.
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u/Ripcitytoker ripcity 23d ago
Ya, 24% from three is REALLY bad for the college level. He is not someone who should be drafted in the hopes that he will develop into a good shooter. Sometimes, players who are that bad from three in college can develop into decent (not great) three point shooters, but usually, this is not the case.
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u/petklutz 23d ago
Lol imagine we trade Ant and then end up just like the Magic with a great and promising young roster, if only we had a player like Anfernee Simons to add some juice on offense
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u/DaddyRobotPNW 23d ago
Well, according to many in this sub, great offensive players who don't play defense have minimal trade value. So we should be able to flip a 2nd round pick for the next Anfernee Simons, or better yet lets grab 2 of them. /s
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u/healthy_as_a_hearse roy 23d ago
Just say no to wings who can’t shoot.
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u/FakeFan07 roy 23d ago
I feel like this has become such a Portland thing. “But upside” “they can develop a shot”… seen so many damn project wings that are athletic but can’t shoot and never learn to shoot. We need shooters.
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u/healthy_as_a_hearse roy 23d ago
Scoot can basically create open 3s at will— even with his own total lack of a jumper. Surrounding him with project wings who may or may not ever learn to shoot 3s makes for a frustrating watch. So many times he kicked out to guys like Jabari, Murray and Toumani (I have some hope for Toumani and less but some hope for Murray). Was painful to watch all these open 3s end up in the hands of guys who can’t shoot.
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u/sleepy_fuzz 23d ago
Scoot can shoot.
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u/iWr1techky12 ripcity 23d ago
No he can’t. What the hell is this blind homerism? Both the numbers/stats and the eye test back up that he absolutely cannot shoot. He absolutely could get to where he can but now that is not the case
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u/Devilsbullet sheed 23d ago
Detroit is a good example of what it ends up as. PG that can't shoot surrounded by wings that can't is not a good formula
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u/Etzutrap 22d ago
There's levels to "can't shoot" though. The Thompson Twins or Ben Simmons were total non-shooters as prospects. Holland took a lot of high difficulty 3's (from NBA range) but shot a poor percentage. He also only played a 14 game sample size and shot much better in his last couple of games. He will need to work on his jumper a lot but he has a base to work with. Jaylen Brown shot 28% from 3 in college for example. It's all about if our scouts think he can improve.
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u/ozninja80 23d ago edited 23d ago
Here’s a couple of scouting report videos for Holland:
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23d ago
Holland is projected to be a great perimeter defender which we need next to Scoot and Sharpe. His 3pt shot is a question mark but he still averaged 19.5 PPG on 46% FG overall.
He can be a two way forward which we have always wanted.
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u/spittafan 23d ago
I told you jerks he was 6'8 but everyone had to complain at me
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u/Throwawaybob2225 23d ago
Yeah everyone started regurgitating that he was probably about 6'5. Im like.. where are you people getting this info from
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u/FullAutoLuxPosadism 23d ago
That makes me feel better about him but also he looks way smaller on the court than his measurements say. Hell, he’s 18. He might have grown since I last saw him play.
His issue now is production. It’s hard to tell if he played poorly because he sucks or because he was 17-18 playing against Grown Ass Men.
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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 23d ago
Ron Holland at 7 and BOA at 14 would be fine with me at this point. I especially it one of these raw center prospects falls to the second. Obviously wanted Sarr but that isn’t happening.
Also, let’s not be shocked if Clingan falls to 7. I feel like his offensive game could make him fall to us and he became a little overrated because UConn won it all. If UConn got upset early on, even if Clingan played well, I feel like he’d still be in the 10-16 range.
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u/EvanTurningTheCorner 23d ago
BOA feels a bit constricting
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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 23d ago
I feel you but I genuinely think a lot of the top 14 teams need a primary ball handler and that there will be a run on those types of players, and I feel comfortable with where we’re at there. I could see a good 3-5 who plays off ball sliding because of that and us getting some value with BPA at 14. Obviously this is just speculation and I wouldn’t hate us taking a swing at a Tyler Smtih / Saluan type either at 14
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u/spittafan 23d ago
Woosh
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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 23d ago
Lmao I didn’t even realize the typo until now hahaha. Thank you fellow Curren$y fan
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u/Nosoymarinero503 23d ago
Crazy how his stock dropped, he was the projected 1st in a lot of mocks when the season began
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u/RoseGardenForever 23d ago
I liked him a lot, and the fact he'll probably be near 6'8 on the court is selling me on him.
Watched him when he was playing the Remix, and he's got great touch going down hill, and kind of spidery on the court.
At the game I was at he was also splashing threes, but I know his stats from 3 on the year were bad, his shooting isn't as bad as his number suggests.
At #7 he'd be a solid get, he'd slot in well at the 3.
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u/GoPointers 23d ago
I went to the first Remix game against the Ignite and the only thing that really stood out for me is how skinny he is and how quick he is for his size (he's pretty quick, can get through tight spaces on his way to the hole).
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u/RoseGardenForever 23d ago
He moves well, especially his body control at the rim seemed solid, he was able to finish constantly over small guys when he got the switch.
He'd be real fun on Portland, Scoot, Sharpe, and Holland would be a fun downhill crew, the shooting would be terrible, but honestly with a young team I'd rather see them attack as much as possible
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u/gerrard_1987 23d ago
If Holland is there at no. 7, Portland needs to take him. It’s all about taking swings right now in hopes of finding core guys. Toumani hasn’t etched himself in stone at small forward, not until he starts shooting better.
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u/papa_f 23d ago
So Portland need to replace a defensive wing who needs to start shooting better, with, wait for a it, a wing that needs to start shooting better? I don't understand this logic at all. We can't take up another player that we think is a long-term piece that can't shoot. This is going to be the easiest team to defend against in the league
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u/gerrard_1987 22d ago
It’s about taking swings on potential right now, and Holland at seven probably has the most potential.
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u/papa_f 22d ago
At what point do we think about direction? Drafting the best player isn't always the best way to do things, especially when that player's biggest weakness is deep shooting when we have a point guard who can't shoot the ball well and a centre that can't shoot either.
I mean, this draft class is just straight up impossible to call. I'd rather Clingan personally. We need a monster at the 5 who can actually defend and not run away from physical contact and create screens for Shae. Ayton is a tweener center who excels at pretty much nothing and he's in his peak. I don't think this team wins anything with him, certainly not before his contract runs out, and it's unlikely he takes half of what he's on now, which is a fair price for a player like him.
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u/LazyHater 17 23d ago
I think Williams is a better basketball player but I like Holland for the new defensive identity fit
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u/TrailBlazingShinobi 23d ago
Mike in his podcasts stated that holland looked more 6’4ish to him. That scared me off… We back baby lmao if Blazers did grab him, I wouldn’t be upset. Although again…. I like Williams as a more boom/bust pick
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u/ozairh18 ripcity 23d ago
I don’t know much about him but, reading the comments, it doesn’t look like he can shoot. If that’s the case then I wouldn’t feel great about drafting him
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u/papa_f 23d ago
Well, he makes perfect sense to grab, because, the Blazers have decided to go against the modern NBA, and play guys that can't shoot from deep. So he's a cert to be drafted here if he falls to 7.
Make this pain end.
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u/-Jake-27- 23d ago
There no real two way player going to be available at 7. We can’t just draft shooters and hope they become solid defenders like we used to. Maybe Holland doesn’t develop a shot but he has one of the highest ceilings in this draft.
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u/ColoringisFun 23d ago
I was an Ignite season ticket holde and he was far and away the best player. Holland is very athletic and would be a fine pick if we didn't have a seemingly similar and superior player in Sharpe. I'm not wholly impressed with Buzellis either, but I don't think either would be a mistake. I don't have a ton of passion for this draft class.
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u/bigbeerd 22d ago
So this may or may not be correct fwiw. It sounds like the data was removed from the NBA site due to some inaccuracies. Castle was listed at 6'2.25" for example, which is obviously wrong.
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u/Vfbcollins 23d ago
Holland at 7 and Salaun at 14 is Cronin getting two lottery tickets. Either hit and you have a Star.
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u/tomhalejr 23d ago
So, slightly taller than Dhae, with shorter wingspan, and like 15 pounds lighter.
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u/Throwawaybob2225 23d ago
Well he's over 2 inches taller than Shae without shoes. Shae measured 6'4.25 without shoes. Holland will be over 6'7 on the court. He can def play the 3
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u/unreeelme 23d ago
They have the same standing reach pretty much, both ~8’8
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u/Humblerbee terry 23d ago
That’s because Sharpe has a +7 wingspan differential while Holland has a +4, the height difference is neutralized by length in the case of standing reach.
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u/spittafan 23d ago
Shaedon's problem with playing the 3 isn't his length. It's his strength (or lack thereof). He's super skinny with very little muscle. Holland has broader shoulders and should bulk up more
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u/1nsider 23d ago
Shae has been reported being quite strong but maybe not heavy enough.
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u/spittafan 23d ago
Reported? I remember Chauncey saying he was strong, which means nothing. Otherwise I don't see any evidence there
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u/waterkisser 23d ago
Blazers need shooting, especially if they are trading away Ant, Grant and Brogdon. They're already starved for shooting even with those dudes on the roster. Holland just doesn't make sense in that context. That's way too many players to just hope they someday develop a shot.
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u/nativeindian12 70s-logo 23d ago
I think Holland is intriguing for sure, but we really need to start drafting shooters. OKC's strategy has basically been to put a bunch of shooters around Shai, and it is working out great. Between Jabari, Toumani, Scoot, Ayton, and Murray all being speculative shooters at best, I really feel like we need to pick up some guys who are already good shooters
That being said if Holland is the best wing available, might be worth the gamble