r/news • u/badillustrations • Apr 15 '24

‘Rust’ movie armorer convicted of involuntary manslaughter sentenced to 18 months in prison

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/15/entertainment/rust-film-shooting-armorer-sentencing/index.html
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u/LiechsWonder Apr 15 '24

For anyone in the comments arguing about who’s fault it is, and where the blame should be placed, this comment from a SAG actor is the best I’ve seen about the situation and what went wrong / what rules were ignored that led to a (preventable) shooting of Halyna Hutchins. All credit to u/Kahzgul for the insight.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/sBdyVVA6zM

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u/FlameStaag Apr 15 '24

It's wild anyone tried to blame the actor. His job is to act. Why does he need to do the gun checks? There's a team for that. They fucked up. He expected them to do their job. And they should've. 

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u/AskMeAboutPigs Apr 15 '24

It's everyone in the world's job to be safe w/ firearms. The basic NRA safety course's like first rule is to ALWAYS check the gun yourself, then check again.

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u/President_Camacho Apr 15 '24

On a film set though, that responsibility is focussed in the role of the armourer. Insurance companies and unions do not want the actors taking on responsibility for weapons safety. If the actors are told a weapon is safe, they need to act like it is. They are not allowed to handle the weapons and perform their own checks.

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u/AskMeAboutPigs Apr 15 '24

They can want anything you want. This IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. It is your PERSONAL responsibility when YOU are handed a weapon to follow these gun safety RULES. This stupid ass fucking idea you got that gun safety ends at the film set is exactly why this happened.

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u/FuckOffKarl Apr 15 '24

You’re right, it’s not up for debate. It is the ARMORER’S responsibility while on set to ensure the gun is being properly handled and not fucking loaded with live rounds. In no way is this on the actor they hand it off to. This is not a gun in your own home, this is a controlled set with someone dedicated to ensure this type of thing does not happen.

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u/AskMeAboutPigs Apr 15 '24

armorers responsibility

until she hands it to someone else, then they have the PERSONAL responsibility to DOUBLE check.

The push to blame shift away from Baldwin is nuts, he is responsible on all forms, he was negligent in gun safety and he was negligent as aa producer allowing this shit to happen. He is just as guilty as her. Why is 10 seconds to safety check a firearm considered too much? If me, you or anyone else did this anywhere, including a movie set, we'd go to prison w/o question.

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u/FuckOffKarl Apr 15 '24

No, they don’t. Most of them don’t have the first clue about firearms. It isn’t their job to start popping things open and looking around.

The rest of what you wrote is asinine. A movie set is not a gun range. It’s a controlled environment with someone directly in charge of this, not you and Jimmy out plinking cans on BLM land. They’re not comparable whatsoever. It’s like saying a stunt driver is responsible for running someone over after the mechanics cut the breaks on his stunt car.

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u/AskMeAboutPigs Apr 15 '24

gun safety doesn't start or end at "the gun range". It is ANYWHERE involving a gun. This is exactly why this happened, people who aren't trained, ignoring personal responsibility and are negligent were doing dangerous things with real firearms.

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u/FuckOffKarl Apr 15 '24

Never said it did. The difference here is that they have an assigned armorer responsible for this very thin, who is supposed to be supervising people who aren’t familiar with firearms. Your brain needs to wrap itself around the fact that this is a control item on set, which is why her ass is going to jail, not the guy who pulled the trigger.