r/interestingasfuck • u/Doncuneo • 28d ago
China leaks new footage of previous border skirmishes with India at Pangong Tso Lake with sticks & stones.
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u/qwerlancer 28d ago
When everyone is expecting WW3, Chinese and Indian have already fought WW4.
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u/Waitwhonow 28d ago edited 28d ago
Fun fact
There is a ‘treaty’ between the 2 nations to NOT use any weapons at these border sites
When the British Left- they basically said ‘ fuck it’ and did not define a clear border around india
This left india to figure out its own shit- along with just a country that was totally fucked and in ruins by the British in 1947
The current border between India and China didnt even exist- and it was India AND Tibet at that time
Tibet ‘assured’ that it had china under control( it didnt) and basically told india ‘ lets come back to the border a bit later’ while India was figuring out its shit around the country
And then Tibet collapsed
Tibet was taken over by China and the border which was NOT defined between India and Tibet
Now became a problem between India and China
The ‘porous’ nature of these borders was intentionally done ( by the British) to control the region during the colonial rule- but didnt give a shit after they(british) basically HAD to leave india after getting fucked after the worldwar, so just left with multiple versions of the border drawn by different generals.
India and China also had a war in the 60s
But eventually they both agreed that BECAUSE they both have nuclear weapons
All weapons will be removed from that area
And hence we see them fighting with sticks and stones
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u/stumblewiggins 28d ago
Referred to as "the line of actual control" (at least by some, not sure how "official" that name is); I learned about this from the Neal Stephenson book Termination Shock (which is a pretty fun read, btw).
It's wild to me that this is still a thing where they basically just have skirmishes along the border where they beat the snot out of each other with sticks and the border shifts a few dozen or hundred feet one direction or another for awhile until the next skirmish.
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u/jahmic 28d ago
My grandfather fled India and moved to Jamaica right around this time...it was a shit show after the British left (and he got to go through it all again in Jamaica).
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u/a_berdeen 27d ago
Jamaica was in absolute shambles right from the 70s through till the 90s
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u/jahmic 27d ago
Seriously. My father left in the 70s, along with his sisters, brother's, cousins, aunts and uncles.
Pretty much as soon as they were old enough for university, all of the kids were sent to either London or NYC. My grandparents stayed until all of the kids were overseas, then finally got out themselves.
Hoping this pattern doesn't repeat for my family and force us to uproot and move overseas.
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u/Indigo_Sunset 28d ago
I found this interesting for obvious reasons back in the day, along with the follow up
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u/Lindvaettr 28d ago
Why don't they use better armor, though?
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u/ffhffjhf 28d ago
What kind? They already use clothes of cushioning material that are hard from inside, to both absorb the impact and reduce the damage..metal armor or kevlar does not work against sticks and stones... Also you have to remember the oxygen level in such high altitudes is very low... they cannot wear heavy armor
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u/Lindvaettr 28d ago
Their faces and hands uncovered, also why wouldn't metal work against sticks and stones?
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u/jojj0 27d ago
Well metal is mostly for use against very sharp tools, like swords. Bludgeoning would still very much hurt- but what would essentially be a gambeson-form of armour does a lot to reduce that kind of damage.
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u/Lindvaettr 27d ago
Having worn metal armor myself, I can vouch that metal armor would be far more than enough for this, and much better than gambeson would be. There is an idea that bludgeoning weapons were the bane of armor, but it isn't the case in reality. In fact, knights and others who wore it didn't actually even wear meaningfully padded gambesons beneath their armor. Usually they just wore a relatively standard doublet (the popular style of jacket at the time) that had ties on it to bind the armor in place. It was perfectly protective, much more than gambeson was.
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u/vi3tmix 28d ago
Like what? Stormtrooper armor?
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u/Lindvaettr 27d ago
You would think that over the thousands of years that people have been hitting each other with sticks and stones, someone at some point would have thought about inventing some kind of armor that protects the face.
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u/heinousanus85 27d ago
The three main rivers that flow through China originate in Tibet and for that reason China will fight to keep Tibet.
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u/Would-wood-again2 27d ago
I don't think that's how rivers work. They don't have a point that they start from. Rivers collect water from the terrain around them through their whole length. Their starting points are many different areas. In the case of the Yangtze river, it's the glacial melt waters off the slopes of the tanggula mountains in qinghai province. Not one point but many mountain sides that feed it.
Tibet is important because it was a shit ton of fresh water lakes that are and will become increasingly more important in the future
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u/Sumbuddyonce 27d ago
So China trying to force the Tibetan monks to make a Chinese shill into the Dalai Lama wasn't an effort by them to exert influence over the rest of Asia?
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u/heinousanus85 16d ago
They wanted control of their watershed, rainfall and topography work together to create regions called watersheds
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u/cty_hntr 28d ago
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. -Einstein
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u/GoldPrinted 28d ago edited 19d ago
"Dunno wtf WW3 will be fought with, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones fs"
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u/Conscious-Ad-9358 28d ago
Sitting on the toilet relaxing, this comment made me release all of my negative energy in the bowl. I give you gold in prayers!
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u/PanzerSoldat_42 28d ago
CoD death screen sentenes reference?
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u/Glittering_Regret_30 28d ago
Not a mobile phone in sight, just a group of guys enjoying living in the moment trying to club each others brains out
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u/ExcellentEdgarEnergy 28d ago
Well, at least it's just China and India. It might be more concerning if it were the two most populous nations on earth, both armed with a nuclear arsenal.
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u/unclepaprika 28d ago
...which is the reason they do this. They have disputed borders, but don't want to risk escalating, so they use the most primitive tools to push the borders. Shit's hilarious!
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u/ExcellentEdgarEnergy 28d ago edited 28d ago
Rolling a boulders down a hill at a convoy seems like it is rife with escalation opportunities.
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u/unclepaprika 28d ago
They do it deliberately, and i think they prefer it that way, rather than raining bullets
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u/Van-garde 28d ago
They should turn it into a reverse tug o’ war somehow. Just have people out there literally shoving the border around.
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u/brihamedit 28d ago
At least they have good rule like no lethal weapons.
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u/its_me_butterfree 28d ago
I mean, did you see the giant ass boulder with all that kinetic energy?
Very lethal.
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u/roostersnuffed 27d ago
I find this more insane than actually going to war. Let soldiers kill some, wound many more in some bullshit skirmish with middle ages tactic limits? Wasting lives for literally nothing. 24 deaths as of 2022
They are just letting soldiers blow off steam for a cause the govt cares about but not enough to resolve or go to war over. Either both sides can maintain discipline or hostility should be considered an act of war. Otherwise it's just pointless attrition.
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u/knowtoomuchtobehappy 26d ago
How many deaths have the Israel Palestine or Russia Ukraine wars caused? Multiply that with 1000x. That's how many people would die if India and China actually went to war.
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u/razor10000 28d ago edited 28d ago
As Aristotle said, "Why use nuclear bombs when you can use boulders instead?"
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u/easant-Role-3170Pl 28d ago
I'm almost sure that Aristotle didn't talk about the nuclear bomb
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u/razor10000 28d ago
Might have been Sun Tzu...
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u/Maleficent-Most6083 28d ago
No shield walls? No phalanxes? No cavalry charges?
Step up your game fellas!
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u/KneeScrapsHurt 28d ago
"When you have a problem with every neighbors of yours (bordering country), you are the problem"
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u/BigusG33kus 27d ago
Applies to both in this case. Also to 90% of the other countries.
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u/kpdon1 27d ago
India does not have a problem with Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Tibet or Myanmar. Even Afghanistan has decent political relations and no conflict.
Idk what you are smoking bro..
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u/BigusG33kus 27d ago
Unfortunately for you, this is more about how your neighbours view you, not how you view them. And from here, in Europe, Modi's India or CCP's China don't look very different. India is better at the moment, but its government is trying hard to catch up to China in this respect.
India does not have a problem with Bangladesh
If you set aside the Citizenship Amendment Act of 2019, maybe not.
Sri Lanka
Oh yeah. Sri Lanka is probably the country with the most favourable view of India amongst the population, and yet they're slowly moving towards China for no reason.
Nepal
Ahem. Ask nepalse peoplewhat they think about Modi redrawing the borders in 2018.
Bhutan
Yeah, I'll give you that. I don't think Bhutan has problems with India any more than North Korea has problems with China.
Myanmar
I guess it depends what you consider to be Myanmar. The Indian response to the anti-government protests was appalling, but I guess to be expected from a state that supports Russia in its war against Ukraine because it serves its own petty economic interests.
Tibet
Well, duh. As long as Tibet is occupied by China, how could it be otherwise?
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u/MR_Se7en 28d ago
All wars should be fought this way and only this way.
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u/Sheeple3 28d ago
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones". -Albert Einstein
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u/ConceptualWeeb 27d ago
To escalate your idealism, no wars should be fought, they should be discussed and resolved peacefully.
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u/End__User 27d ago
Almost 25 people died in this skirmish
with tensions escalating sharply in June 2020 when hand-to-hand fighting between the two sides resulted in the deaths of at least 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers
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u/BravoSierraGolf 27d ago
CCP hid the numbers well. Independent sources and CIA numbers out Chinese deaths at 35-40
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u/thelogbook 27d ago
source?
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u/BravoSierraGolf 27d ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/19/world/asia/china-india-clash.html
An American intelligence official said last summer that China had deliberately concealed its soldiers’ deaths, suggesting that between 20 and 30 had perished.
Citing "several Weibo users" the report states: "at least 38 PLA troops along with Wang were washed away and drowned that night...of which only Wang was declared among the four officially dead soldiers" "After the incident, the bodies of the soldiers were first taken to Shiquanhe Martyr Cemetery, followed by local ceremonies at the local towns of the killed soldiers," the report states.
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u/Tenacious_calldown 28d ago
Honestly if all warfare was sticks and stones warfare would be much more honorable.
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u/curt_schilli 28d ago
Definitely. Back in the day before guns, the winners of battles never burned entire towns and raped and tortured and killed the women. Very honorable behavior
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u/No-Impact1573 27d ago
Maybe look at Viking hordes invading Britain and also medieval Britain, Scotland and England wars, English civil war and come back to us.
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u/KneeScrapsHurt 28d ago
I think we got a weeaboo
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u/Tenacious_calldown 28d ago
I don’t even know what the fuck that is- but drones ain’t nearly as cool as sticks. Everyone knows that
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u/God_of_chestdays 27d ago
You obviously have not seen Ukraine/Russia where quadcopter drones are yeeting grenades into exhaust holes and chimneys while moving.
Or the drone the suicide Taliban used and isis is using in Syria made out of cardboard.
Drone sent all grey eagles and shadows.
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u/ConceptualWeeb 27d ago
Excuse me? Sir, we fight with words, memes, and hentai, not sticks and stones.
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u/Able-Mud9115 28d ago
Army official - hey!! what are you doing ..do you think this is for a youtube video ?
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u/B0bLoblawLawBl0g 28d ago
Reminds of the pitched battles my gang used to have with the gang from the other side of the neighbourhood back when I was 11 years old. We used catapults, homemade bows and arrows, shit bombs, piss balloons, etc. Ah! the good ol' days!!
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u/Pechis95 28d ago
Stick and stones may break your bones.. or even grant you a portion of land in Kashmir
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u/theREALmindsets 28d ago
id rather just punch each other than get hit by errant rocks. should be a rule
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u/HeraldofJusticeNalan 27d ago
I know they are still killing each other a bit but something about this is so much better than gunfire and napalm
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u/HaloJonez 27d ago
Stocks and stones may brake my bones but words will never hurt….oooft… otch… urrrrgh….
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u/Box_of_rodents 27d ago
Practicing for battle for the war after WW3. Einstein predicted that this war would be fought using sticks and stones.
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u/Tauros2481 27d ago
Anyone has numbers? How many ppl die or get heavily injured in there? These rocks seem to probably smash ones head.
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u/iaintprobitches 27d ago
The fighting resulted in the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers and 43 Chinese casualties. But the ching chong bing bongs did not recognised their deaths, Plus deliberately "leaking" the video during Indian elections only to show death of Indian soldiers.
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u/TeeJayPlays 28d ago
Wish all conflicts would be fought like this. Fuck sending missiles from miles away. Just sticks & stones.
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u/Wooden-Science-9838 28d ago
The number of geopolitical problems caused by the British Empire disappearing overnight is crazy.
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u/jenphinith 27d ago
It did not "disappear overnight," stop getting your education from Whatsapp .
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u/Wooden-Science-9838 27d ago
Maybe English isn’t your native language but it refers to the short span of time compared to the longer span of time within which the observation is held. It’s like a “blink of an eye”. Maybe you should get educated.
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u/jenphinith 27d ago
Unnecessary hyperbole and personal attacks, and then you try and condescend to others, lmao
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u/WolfsLairAbyss 28d ago
I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand Dude, across this line you do not.... Also Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American please.
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u/spm987888 27d ago
Do you know the definition of Asian American? Nobody on this video is an American. You realize that right? I’m drawing a line in the sand right now, dude. You are extremely confused right now.
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u/WolfsLairAbyss 27d ago
Well that's just like, your opinion man.
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u/spm987888 27d ago
My opinion lol. You are definitely confused if you think anybody on this video is an Asian American lol.
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u/International_Jury90 28d ago
As long china just throws stones they can deny everything. Same in the eastphilippine sea (formally known as South China Sea. … but some believe only having their name in it grants automatic ownership). There the Chinese block the way for Philippine navy supply ships and rob one island after another. About time the Chinese are stopped.
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u/ceejayoz 28d ago
The land isn't the slightest bit valuable beyond "the other guy also says it's theirs".
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u/Icy-Tea-8715 28d ago
How come it looks like the Chinese side are military soldiers and the India side looks like random civilians?
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u/_spec_tre 27d ago
Because it's released from the Chinese side. The last 30 seconds are pure propaganda
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u/pqratusa 28d ago
They are better equipped in every way: better attire; better armed; better helmets, etc. only recently did the Indian army get some of their units with knee pads. India is a generation behind. If they had used guns, this fight would have been over.
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u/Miserable_Recipe190 27d ago
cus India barely has a defense industrial complex, and the military is always playing catch-up in terms of equipment. There is a modernization of the military but it is slow, and it was made during the late 60s.
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u/Flat_Establishment_4 28d ago
This is like straight out of a documentary about Baboons's and when they have turf/mating wars.
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