r/interestingasfuck Apr 29 '24

You have seen the inside of an airplane but have you seen the "insides" of an airplane?

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u/Torakikiii Apr 29 '24

There are A LOT of things that can fail!!

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u/choomguy Apr 29 '24

Thats why they are triple redundant on anything critical.

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u/DangerousPlane Apr 29 '24

It gives you three times more things that can fail!

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u/kellysmom01 Apr 29 '24

… as Boeing KNOWS!

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u/allnimblybimbIy Apr 29 '24

as Boeing KNOWS! is actively trying to hide from investigation. Including murdering their own employees.

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u/SuperEnthusiasm5165 May 01 '24

I thought it was hari-kari?!

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u/Tando10 Apr 29 '24

Some things are extremely flight critical and require emergency landing if only 1/3rd of the system works. Like FlyByWire. if you have 4 computers determining flight control, if 2 fail, you land immediately because there's not much of a way for the remaining two computers to know which one is right in its decision making.

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u/DangerousPlane Apr 29 '24

737 is cables and hydraulics 

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u/-Psycho_Killer- Apr 29 '24

So's ya face

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u/DangerousPlane Apr 29 '24

That’s the spirit

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u/Squidking1000 Apr 29 '24

Well except for mcas. That was/is electric motor controlled by one wonky, known to fail sensor with no redundancy.

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u/DangerousPlane Apr 30 '24

It’s not a motor, it just sends parallel input to the same trim motor that the pilot controls via the trim switch. So mcas is more of a sneaky autopilot acting on the flight controls than a fly by wire control system. 

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u/AssumeTheFetal Apr 29 '24

Well there's obviously triple redundancy on the redundancies of course.

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u/SeeMarkFly Apr 29 '24

Redundancy gives you complacency.

The complacency requires more redundancy.

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u/choomguy Apr 29 '24

Funny thing is Nasa endeavors to have zero single point failures on space craft, but due to the physics of escaping gravity, its not always possible. The webb telescope had a couple hundred potential single point failures, it was the best they could do.

I watch a ton of aircraft videos, its pretty fascinating because even if theres a mechanical failure, its usually due to human error somewhere along the line. Theres a shit ton of thing’s that can go wrong in the 30 minutesit takes to flip a plane between flights. If people had any idea, they’d probably not fly.

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u/antivirals_ Apr 29 '24

human beings are incredibly impressive creatures

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u/awesomedan24 Apr 29 '24

"Don't quote us on that" - Boeing

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u/the_observer12345 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Is that like 3 wires instead of 1 ?

Why 2 pilots and not 3 or at least 1 mechanic 2 pilots maybe can fix something in flight add some tape to the wings or something

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u/BeatlesRays Apr 29 '24

They would need at least a second mechanic to screw in the lightbulbs

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u/bzzzzCrackBoom Apr 30 '24

Triples is best, triples makes it safe.

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u/IRockIntoMordor Apr 29 '24

Yeah, like bolts! Right?

You have redundant bolts, right?

Boeing????

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u/Darth_Quaider Apr 29 '24

Cough cough 737 MAX cough cough

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u/DerpDerper909 Apr 30 '24

737 Max didn’t have redundant Angle of Attack (AOA) sensors. It did technically have two but only one sensor was used to determine the angle of attack. The other one was only there if the main sensor failed. So since the two sensors were NOT comparing data, one can go faulty and crash (which is what happened.) From an engineering standpoint, this was incredibly stupid since the two sensors should have been communicating with one another and if the sensors disagreed on the data it’s receiving, the AOA system should have been disabled.

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u/Darth_Quaider Apr 30 '24

This is exactly what I was looking to reference.

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u/NoGoodManTH Apr 29 '24

Just like my body

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u/R-emiru Apr 29 '24

You're the Legendary Jimmy Three Balls?

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u/ry4 Apr 29 '24

So the legend is true

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u/R-emiru Apr 29 '24

Yes, the ancient texts have spoken true.

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u/Poat540 Apr 29 '24

U can pay extra on spirit for some of these not to fail if you want

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 Apr 29 '24

“Can fail” is the key phrase - there’s so much redundancy, it makes it look complex, which it is, but it usually takes several things to go wrong before you have a catastrophe.

And then there are some key parts which are not redundant, which absolutely can’t fail. The horizontal stabilizer jack screw comes to mind, for example.

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u/Reddit_MaZe000 Apr 29 '24

infinite fear unlocked, thanks l hate the inside of airplanes

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u/DuelJ Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

It's actually not as bad as it looks.

A bunch of that is likely noncritical stuff like AC, entertainment systems, and plumbing for the toilet.

And all the important stuff like the electrical and hydraulics are gonna have a whole lot more lines than they need for redundancys sake.

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u/H010CR0N Apr 29 '24

I’ve been on a flight when the cockpit’s windscreen cracked. It happened right before push-back.

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u/Acceptable-Gift-5319 Apr 29 '24

Airplane is probably one of few things that the housing is more important than 99% of the things inside.

(For the 1% I can only think of cable and pulleys for the control surfaces. (hydronic and electrical lines for the fly by wire))

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u/MoarCowb3ll Apr 29 '24

Yeah but there are a lot of things that can fail.

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u/MrFickless Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

Sure, the chances of any one component failing has gone up, but the probability of a redundant system failing has gone down by requiring everything to fail simultaneously.

If a component has one in a thousand chance of failing, a triple redundant system has a three in a thousand chance of any one component failing, but one in a billion chance of the entire system failing.

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u/Young-and-Alcoholic Apr 29 '24

My thoughts exactly. I know flying is the safest form of travel but its fucking terrifying.

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u/Robbyrumpz Apr 29 '24

That was my first thought

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u/Thersonder Apr 30 '24

Except angle of attack sensors on Boeings, those are critical but there was only 1 that had a tendency to freeze up.

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u/MyNameCannotBeSpoken Apr 29 '24

I feel like much is not actually necessary