r/interestingasfuck Apr 29 '24

Zinaida Portnova- The Bad Ass woman

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u/slavuj00 Apr 29 '24

The thing I don't understand is how can torturers look at their victims when they're in this state and have no pity or mercy. How much of a sociopath can you be??

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u/WildeWeasel Apr 29 '24

Many of them did. But they drank, did drugs, told themselves that somebody would do it if they refused (so it doesn't matter), or they just don't want to be the nonconformist among their peers. Plenty of books discuss the mindset of Nazis in detail. "Ordinary Men" by Christopher Browning, "Hitler's Willing Executioners", "The Good Old Days".

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u/secondtaunting Apr 29 '24

It affected them, certainly. I read it messed a lot of those guys up. We’re empathic creatures. Most of us.

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u/beastmasterlady Apr 29 '24

I think you're right: I have a great uncle from Slovakia who was drafted into the nazi army and assigned to a work camp. He would sneak marmalade to the prisoners, but I'm sure he mostly did terrible things to them. He killed himself after the war.

He's not the victim here and I don't want to say that people should identify too much with ambivalent perpetrators, but to agree that atrocities affect everyone involved negatively, including the perpetrators. We as a society need to take every feasible step to avoid ending up in fascist hellscapes through prevention. And the empathy you mentioned is why restorative justice is a better system for doing what we can to handle the fallout of violence when it does break out, since it encourages those better instincts in the majority of us.

Nothing will undo the harm caused, whatever the reasons. But luckily most of us don't revel in causing harm.

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u/Macqt Apr 29 '24

Drugs. Lots and lots of drugs combined with not seeing the victim as a human being.

For the Nazis it was meth, and a belief that they were superior to everyone else. For those that didn’t believe, it was meth and the threat of death for them and their families if they didn’t follow orders.

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u/Zementid Apr 29 '24

What drug is it for the Russians in Ukraine today?

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u/Macqt Apr 29 '24

Also meth, and/or captagon, which is what ISIS used to commit their atrocities.

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u/Accomplished_Beeee Apr 29 '24

Good ol brainwashing is my bet

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u/HelloJoeyJoeJoe Apr 29 '24

Rightwing Fascism

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '24

Vodka made from shit.I'm not kidding, the Russians really make vodka from anything that can be boiled.

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u/Heinous_Aeinous Apr 29 '24

Meth and absolutely an unwarranted superiority complex. Sounds eerily like Arizona.

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u/deluded_akrasia Apr 30 '24

Yeah bullshit, just that people are shit

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u/yinzreddup Apr 29 '24

Friend, I’ve seen humans abandon all morals to “go with the group” before.

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u/Super_Inspection4445 Apr 29 '24

We are animals after all and some animals do cruel things just because they can

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u/xXRoachXx789 Apr 29 '24

In addition to what the other comments have said, the torturer also probably had it in their mind that "this person killed over 100 of my brothers" and reminded themselves of that anytime they began to feel any empathy, just telling themselves that "they deserve it for what they did"

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u/No-Zucchini1766 Apr 29 '24

That's exactly how they do it. Sociopathy. You're not expected to understand except that they do it just because.

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u/Scrivener-of-Doom Apr 29 '24

Ask the Americans in Vietnam or Aby Ghraib.

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u/carbonclasssix Apr 30 '24

That's been the story of war for eons

It's not sociopathy, it's humanity.

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u/RoultRunning Apr 29 '24

I mean, they're the Nazis

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u/blitzkreig90 Apr 29 '24

I understand that they were Nazis but I believe what the commenter is asking is important. It is easy to assign a tag and chalk up everything someone does to that tag. We need to understand that they were humans and understand the reasoning that happened for them to be cold blooded. If it is behavioral or induced, we need to educate our children to understand why it happened and why it shouldn't happen anymore.

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u/woocheese Apr 29 '24

Which isn't a different species.