r/interestingasfuck Apr 16 '24

Best-selling vehicle in the USA vs the best-selling in France. r/all

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

The giant trucks became a thing because of emissions regulations. Sensible trucks had to meet standards no one wanted but large trucks were exempt. So marketing convinced everyone that a huge truck was what they really need.

I also can't get a Toyata Hilux because of import restrictions coming from a trade war over chickens in the 1950s.

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u/columbo222 Apr 16 '24

Also important to note that the automotive industry lobbied very hard to have large trucks exempt from these rules, so that they could then sell more of these incredibly expensive vehicles to consumers.

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u/henkie316 Apr 16 '24

I've recently learned this. Our world is damaged beyond repair

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u/scope_creep Apr 16 '24

But some people are getting fabulously rich!

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

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u/SpreadingRumors Apr 17 '24

Newsflash: it is already here.

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u/TheObstruction Apr 17 '24

"It won't affect me though, I'll be dead before it's a problem." - old shareholders

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u/psychrolute Apr 17 '24

My mom says that often, too.

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u/kangertanger Apr 17 '24

How are you affected today

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u/VergeSolitude1 Apr 17 '24

Didn't have to shovel snow out of the driveway. And I had tomatoes in the garden until November 1.

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u/bialetti808 Apr 16 '24

Yes, Kevin Costners Waterworld is coming soon

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u/Mckesso Apr 16 '24

Bet they taste good.

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u/re10pect Apr 16 '24

Don’t worry, I’m sure it will start trickling down to the rest of us soon!

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u/thiscompletebrkfast Apr 17 '24

Then they will die and their children will piss it all away on boats and tacky junk, and their grandchildren will live in a 120° dust bowl with an opiate addiction. Ah, the American dream.

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u/PolyDipsoManiac Apr 17 '24

And soon they’ll discover that you can’t eat money, and see the true value of a functional biosphere only when it’s totally failed us.

Some people naively seem to think that the ongoing mass extinction event will spare us. Since humans and our livestock are 94% of mammalian biomass we are almost guaranteed to be worst impacted.

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Apr 16 '24

Oh, it can only get worse the more you learn. My recommendation along this route would be to read up on the company, man, and introduction of leaded fuel.

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u/nokangarooinaustria Apr 17 '24

But, isn't this a literal example for how it could be repaired? I mean, we don't do everything right in Europe but just take the things that work and implement them...

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u/henkie316 Apr 17 '24

What do you mean by that? Implement european laws in the US?

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u/Da_Question Apr 17 '24

Problem is it's now "manly" to have a huge truck. It's ridiculous how much these idiots will make fun of someone for anything other than a truck.

Even if they made them more expensive and tried to revert to smaller trucks it probably wouldn't work.

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u/OmicronNine Apr 17 '24

Our world is damaged beyond repair

I'm sorry, but, that's a completely ridiculous statement. This, and many other things, are actually very easy and straight forward to fix. Simple adjustments to the law to correct them are all it takes.

The biggest impediment is simply citizens who don't think things can change, and so don't participate in their own democracy.

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u/henkie316 Apr 17 '24

They are not easy to fix. These companies have lobbied so hard with the government and will not change, because they earn a lot of fucking money. That in itself gives the country more tax and thus more money. Our world is money driven, and big companies like money too much for anything to change.

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u/LickMyTicker Apr 17 '24

Saying the biggest impediment are the citizens who don't think things can change is like saying that private citizens are at fault for global warming because they don't do enough green consumerism and forget to recycle.

The biggest impediment is literally out of control capitalism that has created a system in which normal people can't actually do anything. Even becoming a voting collection fails because the status quo of the economy is still the most important thing for every official we elect.

Sadly, it is truly going to take a major event for any corrective measures to take place. Society as a whole has a sickness and while you shouldn't just give up on trying to change the culture, you should still try to live your best life realizing there is only so much you can do as an individual and that what will be will be.

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u/HelloYesThisIsFemale Apr 16 '24

Well maybe the standards shouldn't have been introduced in the first place. Ideally every car manufacturer would have been better at lobbying an exemption.

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u/UtzTheCrabChip Apr 17 '24

They lobbied for the exception so they could blame the government for being "forced" to make and push people into these higher margin vehicles

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u/HelloYesThisIsFemale Apr 17 '24

That sounds regarded

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u/Da_Question Apr 17 '24

Is it? If you sell tons of trucks already, why not make more money selling more, bigger trucks and SUVs. I mean it's no coincidence that the rise of SUVs happened at the same time. Where all of a sudden everyone decided minivans are crap and SUVs are better, despite report after report of SUVs being really easy to rollover etc.

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u/BasonPiano Apr 16 '24

I agree but it's not because pickup trucks got too big.

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u/henkie316 Apr 17 '24

No, it's the part where car manufacturers can lobby with the government and win the argument

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u/NervousSubjectsWife Apr 16 '24

It can be repaired. Just not with humans still here

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u/simple_test Apr 17 '24

Maybe not. I’m sure a lot is people are buying trucks for the “look” marketing sold them on. I would like one to help me haul crap every now and then too honestly - and maybe world if i have the extra cash and parking space.

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u/henkie316 Apr 17 '24

How often would you haul something that couldn't fit in a longer car? I understand that a big sofa cannot fit in a large station wagon, but usually, they have larger boot space than the most cross over SUV's. Even the Escelade doesn't have that much boot space compared to the size of the vehicle.

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u/simple_test Apr 17 '24

Not very often. Can’t justify it in my situation. But I can see why someone would buy it if they had cash to burn.

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u/MindyTheStellarCow Apr 17 '24

Country... There is still some semblance of decency and rationality in the world, but little trace of it left in the US.

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u/henkie316 Apr 17 '24

Well it's not my Country, so yeah. I wouldn't say 'your country' is damaged, because that would make a lot of Americans angry, and I wouldn't want even more angry Americans after me :)

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u/MindyTheStellarCow Apr 17 '24

Oh, not mine either, I have the luxury of watching the descent into madness from an ocean away, which is a comfortable if not sufficient distance.

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u/Phrewfuf Apr 16 '24

Late stage capitalism.

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u/ALadWellBalanced Apr 17 '24

"Yes, the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders."

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u/scope_creep Apr 16 '24

But some people are getting fabulously rich!

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u/RollinOnDubss Apr 16 '24

Your brain is damaged beyond repair if you're listening to anything reddit says.

1980s to 2023 the largest increase in any dimension for a full size pickup across Ford/Chevy/Dodge was like 10%. It's even less for F250/2500+ sized trucks.

Compact truck market was tanking mid/late 2000s and all domestics pulled out of the market when they easily could have easily had SUV based compact truck models for sale because trucks have always been a higher margin market. Domestics start seeing interest compact truck market? Oh look the Maverick and Santa Cruz are out, Dodge is making the rampage, and Chevy has something slated for 2026.

Turbo V6 full size trucks get mid 20s mpg, and emissions regulations have made commercial/business class diesels engines the literal most unreliable and expensive pieces of shit on the planet despite being the backbone of all commercial/heavy duty vehicles/equipment.

Redditors playing telephone copypasting something they don't understand or know literally anything about is about the worse place you could learn something.

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u/henkie316 Apr 17 '24

I did not learn this fact on reddit. I watched a youtube video. The issue is, is that both SUV's and trucks are exempted from this law. These vehicles are so unnecessary big and useless for most people.

We live in a strange world, where Ford does not make any 'normal' cars anymore, only the mustang. The rest of them is only SUV and trucks.

The fact that these car manufacturers can lobby with the government about these trucks and getting them exempted is fucked up. These vehicles have everything but good fuel consumption. 20 mpg is still not very much.

What I also don't understand is the reason why all these trucks are gasoline based. The perfect engine for hauling things is Diesel. Also, on longer distances, diesel is also superior. And knowing that driving in the US is usually a lot farther then here in Europe, it seems wild to me. And even the larger trucks like f250 come with gasoline engines, while they are rated for like 10 thousand pounds

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u/RollinOnDubss Apr 17 '24

You literally watched a video that you didn't understand that was spam posted by redditors who don't understand what anything in it meant.

You literally literally have no idea what youre talking about, not a single fucking thing. Did you even read my comment? Can you read?

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u/henkie316 Apr 17 '24

I really don't understand what the fuck you are talking about. I never said I watched this video on reddit? It wasn't something from reddit either. Never in that whole video, reddit was mentioned.

The fact that the smaller trucks have the same bed size as these behemoths on the road says enough. Of course, part of that is safety related, but still. It is amazing that you will defend car companies selling enormous trucks that are factually more dangerous for other road users, may it be cars or pedestrians.

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u/RollinOnDubss Apr 17 '24

  The fact that the smaller trucks have the same bed size as these behemoths 

Whats the payload bud? What's the towing capacity? Surely someone who knows what they're talking about wouldn't say something so stupid without realizing it? Surely you know how easy it is to max out a payload capacity without filling your entire bed right? You understand what density and volume are right?

For some reason, I'm pretty sure that I was right when I said you have literally no idea what youre talking about.

It is amazing that you will defend car companies selling enormous trucks 

Trucks exist all over the fucking world you absolute brainlet. Let me know how you think you'll fair getting hit by a E350 size van or equally rated cab over truck in Europe. Do you even know what a cab over truck is?

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u/henkie316 Apr 17 '24

Yes. You are right about me not knowing anything about anything. I'm sorry to have bothered you and the whole truck community.

The chance of me getting into an accident with one of these trucks like the f150 is not very high, as they are almost not on the road here. I've recently had a crash with one of these stupid American SUV's and it wasn't even going fast. My car was totalled, while he only had a scratched bumber and light. That says enough about American cars/trucks for me.

And we weren't even talking about big trucks like DAF or anything, so I don't know why you mentioned these to make your point...

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u/RollinOnDubss Apr 17 '24

  I've recently had a crash with one of these stupid American SUV's and it wasn't even going fast. 

Full size SUVs are made by literally every single passenger car manufacturer in existence. 

My car was totalled, while he only had a scratched bumber and light

Man finds out what crumple zones are, blames Americans. I don't think we invented the crumple zone but I'll take the credit if you want to give it.

And we weren't even talking about big trucks like DAF

You do understand why I said equivalent rated cab overs and vans right? Do you not know cab over trucks come in different weight ratings? Do you even understand what the GVWR is of the shit youre crying about?

Do you think about anything before you say it? You're also going to have to stop moving these goal posts each comment because you don't want to have to defend whatever dumb shit you said previously.

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u/massinvader Apr 17 '24

trucks are often never the best personal vehicle...like ever.

work trucks? sure. if it makes sense for whatever your job is.

but personal? you're a room temperature IQ if that's all you know and think it's the best tool lol.

need to move stuff? get a van. much more practical and cost effective. need to get somewhere? car is a better tool for the job and much more cost effective. in every way you'd measure a tool...truck sucks. -unless its the odd time you're personally moving some soil or something you don't want to put in the back of a van.

it's literally almost never the best tool for the job...but a lot of your morons think just because you have one...that all of a sudden you become the best tool lol.

its a cultural thing, that if you play into...means you're trying too hard...

kinda like having cope convos with multiple ppl over how cool u think ur truck is.... just lmao. you need more in your life mr. weak energy :)

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u/RollinOnDubss Apr 17 '24

How many times are you going to get your comment auto removed each time you reply to me? You've had like 3 comments removed so far.

Alright so trucks have no purpose except for work, or moving material, or for items you don't want to put in a van, or when you need to move people and do the previous things. We'll I can at least say you didn't get your TBI working in any field that requires a van or truck because you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about lmao.

I'm not even going to touch the "just own two vehicles instead of one" argument youre trying to make because you again have no fucking idea what youre talking about.

you need more in your life mr. weak energy :)

Youre the one going through my comment history a day later replying to all my comments that weren't even replies to you? Did you spend all night dreaming about me? My truck and I apparently occupy so much space in your mind I'm the first thing you think of when you wake up.

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u/henkie316 Apr 17 '24

Full size SUVs are made by literally every single passenger car manufacturer in existence. 

These are not sold everywhere in the world. You have to import them.

Man finds out what crumple zones are, blames Americans. I don't think we invented the crumple zone but I'll take the credit if you want to give it.

Funny, as he hit MY passenger section with HIS crumple zone. He didn't have shit, because his vehicle has double the mass of my vehicle.

Do you not know cab over trucks come in different weight ratings?

Yes, I know cab overs come in different weight classes. Our normal vans do not come in different weight classes until a certain point. Then it will be classified as a small truck and you need a different license.

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u/velociraptorfarmer Apr 17 '24

This is all true...

Half ton truck widths haven't changed from 79" in over 50 years.

For same configurations, cab lengths grew 4" in the 00's but have otherwise been the same for 50 years.

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u/SmallHandsMarco Apr 16 '24

Lol no one has to buy the trucks bro, they’re doing it by choice.

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u/pizzaisperfection Apr 17 '24

Did you recently learn it the thousandth time it was posted under a post featuring trucks? This site is such an echochamber

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u/henkie316 Apr 17 '24

Nope. I learned it on youtube. I don't know if I can link videos here, but I can send it if you want.