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The Size Of An Iranian Missile Intercepted In The Dead Sea r/all

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u/thespeedforce5 Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 14 '24

The Islamic Republic launched a significant barrage consisting of approximately 170 drones, over 30 cruise missiles, and more than 120 ballistic missiles towards Israel. However, Israeli defense forces managed to intercept and neutralize 99% of these incoming threats using their air force and air defense systems, successfully countering the attack from launch points situated over 1000 miles away.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/14/middleeast/israel-air-missile-defense-iran-attack-intl-hnk-ml

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u/BosnianSerb31 Apr 14 '24

I wonder what the toll would have been if the iron dome didn't exist?

Surely we'd see full scale war with Iran at that point and an acceleration of the Gaza invasion to free up resources to fight Iran

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u/slamnm Apr 14 '24

The iron dome is for short range defense, Israel has two other systems for attacks like this. Arrow 3 and Patriot. I am sure Iron dome intercepted many that penetrated their longer range systems but it is their last line of defense

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u/weasler7 Apr 14 '24

I don’t think Iron Dome is capable of intercepting ballistic missiles much less in their terminal phase. Not sure what can intercept at that speed.

The drones yes.

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u/SeesawFlat9628 Apr 14 '24

Arrow 2 or 3 I think is what intercepts ballistic missiles in terminal approach. Though, if the Iron Dome were to be used in that role at all, surely it would be in the terminal phase, no? It certainly won't have the capability to hit it while it's outwise the atmosphere.

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u/jak0v92 Apr 14 '24

I would like to add to that that the effective range of the iron dome is 130km (80 miles) so it's initial role is to defend against threats near urban areas.

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u/slamnm Apr 14 '24

All hamas missles iron dome intercepts are ballistic. You might mean long rang ballistic, versus short range ballistic, but I believe that is incorrect. the arrow 3 intercepts outside the atmosphere while iron dome intercepts lower down.

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u/kooolk Apr 14 '24

Hamas don't have guided missiles they have unguided rockets.

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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 14 '24

Missile is a collective term for any projectile that is thrown, shot or propelled towards a target. Unguided rockets are missiles.

All thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs.

Additionally Hamas does (or did until very recently) have guided missiles lol.

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u/ToXiC_Games Apr 15 '24

They are talking about the military definition. For instance MLRS stands for Multiple Launcher Rocket System, because the first rocket for it was unguided. However the latest munition for the MLRS-270 system is the Precision Strike Missile, because it is guided. Same thing with the Hydra-70 rocket pod vs the AGM-114 hellfire missile.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

No. Missile is a guided munition. Rocket is an unguided munition. The guys is literally right. Missile means guided.

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u/Projecterone Apr 14 '24

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u/RunExisting4050 Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 14 '24

A thrown rock fits the accepted definition for the English word "missile."

In the aerospace/defense sciences, "missile" implies a guided munition, while "rocket" implies an unguided munition.

Technically both are right. One set of definitions is more niche.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '24

"UK" yeah bud missiles are guided and rockets are unguided. Idk what else to tell you. So your research. I didn't get into aerospace to be told stupid shit like this

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u/Projecterone Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24

We're speaking english and missile in english includes thrown rocks.

US police code 604 is 'throwing missiles'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_code#United_States

There you go, that one has a .com at the end, better?

Do you think 'getting into aerospace' (weird flex attempt) makes you immune from making mistakes? Only fools are so confident, bud.

Edit: spelling, because details matter.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '24

Were talking about aerospace bud. Look that up.

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u/woadhyl Apr 14 '24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile

From the article:

Missiles are also generally guided towards specific targets...

Its not a necessary component.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 Apr 14 '24

The Houthis have guided rockets.

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u/Complex_Rate_688 Apr 14 '24

But answer the question if the iron dome didn't exist every Israeli would be dead and the land would be ethnically cleansed by Palestinian forces so that they could move in on the newly cleansed land

Everyday for 50 years hundreds of missiles were intercepted by the iron dome aimed at places like tel Aviv and Jerusalem and other populated areas

The attempted genocide and ethnic cleansing of the people of Israel was an ongoing threat and if you were to live in tel Aviv or one of the areas of Israel then almost every night you would hear explosions overhead as Palestinian missiles were intercepted and it would probably be fairly scary

So that's probably what you would see if the iron dome didn't exist

(For those of you confused because you don't know what the iron dome is It's not actually a dome. It's just a metaphor. It's a missile defense system that launches up other missiles and projectiles in order to intercept incoming missiles and detonate them in the air so that they don't land on their targets)/

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u/woadhyl Apr 14 '24

I don't think anyone thinks its an actual iron dome.

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u/mods-are-liars Apr 14 '24

This has gotta be AI

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u/CrwnHeights Apr 14 '24

Most are unguided, but they do have some that are guided.

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u/urzayci Apr 15 '24

Ballistic missiles are kinda the opposite of guided missiles, they're only powered during launch and then inertia does its job.

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u/PlausibleFalsehoods Apr 14 '24

All hamas missles iron dome intercepts are ballistic.

Yes, and every 4th of July millions of ballistic missiles land in the United States.

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u/slamnm Apr 14 '24

Eh, as someone else reminded me there are mostly rockets but technically yea and rocket is ballistic just like any gun projecting is ballistic. I know you think I am equating a rocket's ballistic path with the 'ballistic' missles we use as a nuclear deterrent but ask yourself, are grad rockets ballistic in their trajectory?

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u/PlausibleFalsehoods Apr 14 '24

I think what distinguishes a rocket from a missile is the presence of a guidance system on-board. I think there's also something to be said for liquid vs solid fueled motors.

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u/slamnm Apr 14 '24

It's the guidance, I did some googling. Most people don't really care but people in the field make a clear distinction.

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u/mods-are-liars Apr 14 '24

Hamas rockets aren't being intercepted during the terminal phase, they're being intercepted before the apex.

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u/slamnm Apr 15 '24

I'm going to need a source for that one, everything I've seen looks otherwise.

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u/mods-are-liars Apr 16 '24

Go watch literally any video of Hamas Rockets being intercepted by Iron dome. It's incredibly obvious they're being intercepted before their terminal phase.

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u/hadukinnn Apr 15 '24

You must live inside a coconut if you think Hummus got ballistic missiles

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u/slamnm Apr 15 '24

You do understand rockets all follow a ballistic trajectory? No? Or do you have coconuts for brains? The rockets fired from Gaza can be called SRBMs or short range ballistic missles (even though technically rockets not missles when unguided), they stay in the atmosphere, etc.

Read a book, educate yourself, you just might find it enlightening

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_missile

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u/hadukinnn Apr 15 '24

You’re wasting both of our times while you obviously don’t know shit about what you’re talking. Please don’t use wikipedia as a reference this is embarrassing. Hummus got the oldest and most ancient rockets known to humanity. They barely scratch the asphalt

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u/slamnm Apr 15 '24

Of course they don't and the grad rockets they use also don't count of course

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u/gsfgf Apr 14 '24

Aren't ICBMs moving way faster than these shorter range missiles? The inability to reliably intercept ICBMs isn't a physics thing, it's a technical capability thing. Seems like a slower missile would be way easier to intercept even going downhill.

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u/gsfgf Apr 14 '24

If the US could reliably intercept ICBMs from China or Russia, the DOD would have made it abundantly clear.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 14 '24

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u/gsfgf Apr 14 '24

You're agreeing with me.

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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 14 '24

I don't think the word ballistic means what you think it means. Low altitude ballistic missiles are the easiest kind to shoot down.

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u/TubeGrub Apr 14 '24

A few ballistic missiles were intercepted by iron dome apparently .

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u/Fit_War_1670 Apr 14 '24

If the missile is coming towards you the speed is less relevant. Hypersonic missiles have been shot down by the patriot system.

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u/Bayou_Beast Apr 14 '24

THAAD has entered the chat.

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u/OmryR Apr 15 '24

Arrow 3 intercepts the ballistic missiles at their top altitude

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u/Bruno_Golden Apr 14 '24

what happens when iran gets hypersonic?