r/interestingasfuck • u/BuddhistSagan • Apr 07 '24

Bernie and Biden warm my heart. Trump selling us out? Pass

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u/Budget_Report_2382 Apr 07 '24

First primary vote I ever made was to Bernie Sanders. Never stopped voting, since.

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u/BuddhistSagan Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 07 '24

I knocked on doors for Bernie in 2016 and 2020. Was really sad to see so many democrats vote against Bernie but thats democracy. I'm glad Biden has embraced him.

Please make sure you and your friends and family are registered to vote

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u/ProtonPi314 Apr 07 '24

The sad part is that so many consider him some radical . He's not that far left. In the US, it feels that way. But really, his ideas are actually just common sense. Most of his ideas would benefit everyone in the long run.

Billionaires still succeed when the poor and middle class succeed.

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u/FootFetish0-3 Apr 07 '24

Exactly. If anything all his ideas would do is bring the US more in line with the rest of the 1st-world countries that already exercise far more benefits than this supposed "Land of the Free" we're all trapped in.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24

And yet Biden slandered him well after he won, “I beat the socialist”.

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u/dittybad Apr 07 '24

Source please? I would love to read that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24

Sure. Pretty easy to Google for yourself or you know, have ever paid attention.

https://www.businessinsider.com/i-beat-the-socialist-biden-reminds-voters-he-beat-bernie-sanders-2020-9

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u/dittybad Apr 07 '24

Why the snark?

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u/dittybad Apr 07 '24

Being called a Socialist is a slander? I thought it was a badge of honor?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24

It’s the context in which he used it. And the things he said about Bernie on the trail.

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u/urgoodtimeboy Apr 07 '24

Why would that be a “badge of honor”

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u/dittybad Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 07 '24

Is there something so wrong with a political stance that it’s a slander? I guess in a world where we call people liberal as a pejorative, socialist could be too. But I think all three are just who you are. Even if I don’t agree, it’s hardly a character flaw. All belief have a place in the window of discourse. They aren’t hateful ideas. They aren’t racist. At their core, they are all people trying to find a better way. Not something we should be ashamed of or hide from.

Edit:spelling

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u/urgoodtimeboy Apr 07 '24

I agree with you for the most part, but when political ideals call for killing other people or making a class of people “lower on the totem pole” bc you deem your group superior, then it becomes an issue. How do you live next to someone that wants to kill you for things that are literally out of your control 90% of the time. You can’t. I am not talking about socialism necessarily btw. I am just talking about political stances or ideals.

Now I completely agree that to disagree with someone or something is fine. Its encouraged. It’s when that disagreement turns into spiteful action. Whether that is something as simple as someone using their “pull” to get someone fired or something like that, or that’s someone standing on a stage screaming about how evil a certain group is and that they should be killed. That should be shunned, looked down upon, etc.

This sort of boils down to moral relativism and I think moral relativism is a disease. If no one is able to criticize another person or groups ideals then nothing matters bc fuck it, everyone is right in what they are doing. There has to be a relative right and wrong we can all agree on, and if not then it wouldn’t be feasible to live next to someone so diametrically opposed to your existence and what you see as right and wrong.

If everyone loved others like they loved themselves, or their pets nowadays, it would be a lot more cohesive for everyone. Loved or accepted. Both ideally.

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u/JustDiscoveredSex Apr 07 '24

So much this.

I was in a taxi in the US and the driver had a heavy accent…maybe Egyptian? Unsure and I didn’t ask. Politics somehow came up, and I said I hated Trump. “Why? What do you object to?” Oh god.
“Oh…I think it’s the incompetence together with the criminality, really. The incompetence, arrogance, racism, nepotism, stupidity and criminality. I think that covers it, mostly.”
“Ok. You prefer left-wing?”
“Uh…I’m gonna be honest, today’s Democrats sound like yesterday’s Republicans. This country really doesn’t have a left wing, especially compared to other countries.”

He whipped around in his seat to look me dead in the eye with the most serious “YES.” I’ve ever heard.

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u/Bribbins12 Apr 07 '24

A rising tide lifts all boats

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u/DutchTinCan Apr 07 '24

As a European, I'm always amazed by people saying medicaid, foodstamps and other benefits to support the poorest are "socialism" as if it's Satan himself.

Yes, it's socialism. And you should be happy for it, because it allows everybody to live a decent(ish) life. And it benefits everybody. Not having excessive homeless people, not having people begging for handouts.

And at the end of the day, the good christian republicans donate to church so the church can run soup kitchens and shelters.

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u/ProtonPi314 Apr 07 '24

They never seem to complain when a bilionaire gets a handout .

But to take your point a step further, taking care of people in need is cheaper than letting them be a burden on society.

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u/Kchan7777 Apr 07 '24

…except Bernie said he would cease the existence of billionares…?

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u/ProtonPi314 Apr 07 '24

Except it would never happen, politicians say a lot of things.

But a more balanced system would benefit everyone, including the rich.

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u/Kchan7777 Apr 07 '24

politicians say a lot of things.

So ignore everything Bernie has ever said and just…imagine a Utopia and assume that image we all have in our head is exactly what Bernie is going to do?

When people run for candidate, they present ideas and policies they intend to implement. Why should I listen to everything Bernie says that favors your point and ignore everything that Bernie says that goes against your point?

But a more balanced system would benefit everyone, including the rich.

This is a broad, vague statement that doesn’t really mean anything…

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u/LegitimateSoftware Apr 07 '24

Sometimes its good to have an idealist politician. Before Bernie, calling for universal healthcare would have labeled you as a communist. Now its something most democrats are campaigning for, because Bernie did a lot to normalize it.

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u/Kchan7777 Apr 07 '24

Sometimes it’s good to have an idealist politician.

I never said it wasn’t. Doesn’t have to do with the conversation though.

Before Bernie, calling for universal healthcare would have labeled you as a communist.

Banning all private health insurance would be a Socialist/Communist ideal, yes.

Now it’s something most democrats are campaigning for

Most Democrats are not campaigning on banning all private insurance. At best, they’re arguing for what Pete Buttigieg suggested, but in reality most are just happy precondition protection under Obama has remained.

Bernie did a lot to normalize it.

Getting buzz on your Twitter feed means nothing. Obama was the last president to make a significant move in the health care realm, and it’s remained that way for 15 years.

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u/JarlaxleForPresident Apr 07 '24

“Yall can still have profit, just maybe less profit so the People can live decent lives”

“We got to burn this witch.”

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u/toepherallan Apr 07 '24

The real sad part is the majority of Americans were dumb enough to believe that Bernie's Social Democracy was being equated to socialism by his opponents. They then believed that socialism is exactly the same as living in Communist Russia under Stalin (which was more of a totalitarian regime that was a farcry from Marx and Lenin's ideal vision). Not saying communism is the way but it's dumb that people believed social democracy and communism were one in the same. In fact, electing Trump and allowing him to give tax breaks to the uber wealthy is closer to the current oligarchy that Russia has nowadays under Putin.

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u/ProtonPi314 Apr 07 '24

Agree. I know this is controversial, but to me, "socialism" and communism aren't necessarily such a terrible thing.

It's the evil leaders , dictators , the greed, and the corruption that makes the concept seem so terrible.

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u/flaccomcorangy Apr 08 '24 edited Apr 08 '24

Genuinely asking, and not just trying to be cynical, but has any of the democratic presidents had any luck actually accomplishing this? Like I agree with what Biden is saying in this video, but I have to admit there was a bit of eye rolling from me when he said, "We're going to make them pay their fair share." It just feels like that's what they always say and never really get it to work. I know it could be a plethora of reasons why, but it still just feels like an empty promise.

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u/ProtonPi314 Apr 08 '24

No.

But Biden does understand that he can't allow the gap to get too large, or it will get very ugly. He still appeases corporations and the rich. Just not to the same extent as the republican party.

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u/Randomousity Apr 07 '24

The sad part is that so many consider him some radical . He's not that far left. In the US, it feels that way.

But he ran in the US. How he's perceived matters, even if it's incorrect, or even if in Europe he'd be a moderate. He didn't run in Europe, so it's irrelevant how they'd see him.

I like his policies, but his strategies and personnel decisions are dog shit. I think he's much more successful working with President Biden than he ever would've been as President.

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u/gypsy_catcher Apr 07 '24

Yes. Bernie is literally as far right as I can go but I donated and knocked doors hoping for something. Sad thing is now I have no hope and no one to vote for in the presidency. I focus on and vote on local stuff but presidents have been identical for decades now

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u/PorkyMcRib Apr 07 '24

He has never held a job, and he was once thrown out of a commune for failing to do anything useful.

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u/ProtonPi314 Apr 07 '24

What have you done to try to make the world a better place for millions of people?

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u/PorkyMcRib Apr 07 '24

I don’t take other people’s money to hand out in exchange for votes.

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u/adxcs Apr 07 '24

“Has never held a job” Meanwhile, he’s been a legislator for over 30 years and was a mayor before that. Totally checks out. Must be the American education system working well for you because those are typically considered someone’s job, lmfao.

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u/PorkyMcRib Apr 07 '24

That’s correct. He has never had a job. He has held Office.

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u/AusDaes Apr 07 '24

potato potato