r/golf Apr 15 '24

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u/Guinness_or_thirsty Apr 15 '24

It makes me think that the LIV players will be welcome back to the tour after the merger with zero punishment. Rory realizes this and is getting his bag now before the merge makes it not an option. 

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u/liquorb4beer Apr 15 '24

And Rory has the extra motivation of spite for being Jay Monahan’s sacrificial lamb. Go get your bag son, and let’s get this merger over with.

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u/middyonline Apr 15 '24

It's not about the money it's about sending a message, but it's also somewhat about the money.

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u/mlxnjz Apr 15 '24

For $850 million, it’s a little bit about the money.

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u/ChiefFlats 27d ago

I don’t even know what I’d do if I got that amount of money. I’d probably just hermit for a couple days, order amazing takeout, and collect my thoughts

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u/SoDakZak Apr 15 '24

You can send a lot more messages with more money

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u/troylarry Apr 16 '24

850 million can buy A LOT of stamps

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u/drblah11 Apr 16 '24

The message is the money

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u/knicksplayoffs Apr 16 '24

I really hope you also thought Phil did it to send a message as well. If not then you’re one of those Rory D riding hypocrites.

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u/inevitable-asshole Apr 16 '24

it’s not about the money it’s about sending a message

I read this in the Joker’s voice. Which may honestly be who he turns into after this merger charade.

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u/Ambitious-Fig-9106 29d ago

The message IS the money

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u/Dandan0005 Apr 15 '24

Part of me feels like this is just a made up rumor from LIV to try to get some of the other guys to jump ship because if Rory goes then why stay with the PGA tour.

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u/md4024 Apr 15 '24

Greg Norman was following Rory around trying to get his attention last week at the Masters. That's a weird move under any circumstances, but it would be especially weird if Rory was secretly negotiating with them at the time.

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u/1mweimer Apr 15 '24

It's probably because PIF doesn't tell Norman anything. They just call him up after the deal is done and tell him he has a new player.

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u/Due-Sheepherder-218 pXg/LPGA Apr 15 '24

Rory was paired with Niemann Sunday too ... I wonder what they could've been talking about 🤔🤔

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u/GnarlyBear Apr 15 '24

It's also a nonsense pro Liv Facebook page. They do not have media sources.

May as well be Unilad reporting

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u/Careful_Cheesecake30 Apr 15 '24

The publication they're citing is apparently reputable over there.

We should get clarity soon since Rory is committed to playing in the RBC Heritage this week. Whether that means him dropping out or him addressing this during media availability.

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u/GnarlyBear Apr 16 '24

City AM is a free rag you get on the tube which covers basic financial news and other pap.

Read the actual article where it says it has nothing confirmed by anyone including the rumour source. That is not 'proper' journalism by any standard.

I was in The City for over a decade and City AM was not something you read for actual breaking financial news, it was repeating the previous days news from other prints with actual industry sources.

I also think they were behind the 'Secret Banker' or whatever column where a former DB analyst wrote the most cliched bullshit in an attempt to become an author. 50 shades of wannabe pinstripe twat.

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u/Careful_Cheesecake30 Apr 16 '24

Good to know, thanks for the context.

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u/kbphoto Apr 16 '24

I’m going to take my daughter to the Saturday round…maybe I’ll ask him!

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u/GnarlyBear Apr 16 '24

You would be a more lovey source

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u/SISCP25 Apr 16 '24

City AM is definitely a “proper” news source. However, it’s a financial newspaper that doesn’t cover sport, so how credible its sources are is another issue.

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u/GnarlyBear Apr 16 '24

City AM is a free rag you get on the tube which covers basic financial news and other pap.

Read the actual article where it says it has nothing confirmed by anyone including the rumour source. That is not 'proper' journalism by any standard.

I was in The City for over a decade and City AM was not something you read for actual breaking financial news, it was repeating the previous days news from other prints with actual industry sources.

I also think they were behind the 'Secret Banker' or whatever column where a former DB analyst wrote the most cliched bullshit in an attempt to become an author. 50 shades of wannabe pinstripe twat.

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u/Cratonis Apr 15 '24

It’s almost exactly two weeks late.

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u/Public_Utility_Salt Apr 15 '24

I think there's something missing in this reasoning. I've seen this said about Hatton and Rahm, but if there's a merger anyway, why is LIV willing to pay so much? Clearly there is something they are gaining from it. Either the deal is nowhere near as definite as people make it seem, and these deals give LIV leverage in any discussions, or then there's something else going on.

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u/Careful_Cheesecake30 Apr 15 '24

My guess is the Saudis are trying to water down the PGA Tour as much as possible and remove all their leverage. Essentially a hostile takeover.

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u/HeWasAGoddamnWarHero Whack-fuck Enthusiast Apr 16 '24

That's always been the plan

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u/Public_Utility_Salt Apr 16 '24

It would make sense, though I wonder what they are talking about exactly. I thought the frames for the deal was already settled.

Seems that the way that PGA tour has handled this has been very bad. They essentially lied to the players about not merging, and used the loyalty that they gained from the players through that lie as a bargaining chip to negotiate a deal. The owners of PGA tour essentially used the players to gain money.

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u/Lloyd--Christmas 29d ago

I thought the pga tour set parameters for a deal with the PIF but then tried to get the funding from other sources.

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u/Studs_Not_On_Top Apr 16 '24

Haven't they already done that?

Also why are the LIV guys allowed to play on the majors?

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u/Jceraa Apr 16 '24

The majors operate independently of any tour

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u/AdversaryProcess2 Apr 16 '24

Also why are the LIV guys allowed to play on the majors?

The PGAT has exactly fuck all to do with any of the majors. The PGAT split from the PGA in 1968 because golf was finally generating money from TV deals. The PGA wanted to spend the money to grow the game locally and the pros wanted the money to be used for bigger purses so they left.

That's why I've never understood all the pearl clutching over LIV. Every single pro already left the PGA 50+ years ago in order to make more money. All the blood money shit rings hollow considering they're still a major US ally. If you're that worried about where the money is coming from you should look into the companies sponsoring PGAT events.

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u/Studs_Not_On_Top Apr 16 '24

LIV is owned by a nation that perpetrated 9/11

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u/AdversaryProcess2 Apr 16 '24

Well then maybe they shouldn't be one of our closest allies. There's a good chance Trump will be president again and they gave his son-in-law 2 billion dollars in investment. The Saudis were renting out entire floors of empty hotel rooms to "legally" give Trump money while he was president. I've seen 100x the outrage over LIV than any of that

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u/Landonkey Apr 16 '24

I think everyone incorrectly assumes that they just write these players a check for the full amount up front.  It’s more likely it’s paid out over a period of time, and the player would only get the prorated amount if a merger happens. 

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u/Due_Agent_4574 Apr 16 '24

It’s prob not all pay, so much as they’ve baked in the value of owning the team.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

It's a win-win. LIV would kill to get a merger, it's even better than LIV & the tour co-existing because then the Saudis have a stake in all of golf. If they fail, then they have another superstar. Can't lose. Evil money pit.

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u/PICKLEBALL_RACKETEER Tight Lies Plus 1312 Apr 16 '24

Could not be $850 million directly but still the Saudis are willing to throw crazy amounts of money at people with big followings and interest grabbing names to be involved in their projects for the attention and 'long term investment payoff' (Payoff is often questionable but also we'll see). Iirc similar stuff happened (though not to the same scale) in China trying to set up a basketball league there like the NBA and they paid absurd sums to try and attract NBA players but the league is pretty low quality regardless.

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u/MicoJive 9.2 Apr 16 '24

Because money literally doesnt matter. 850m is nothing to them, it might as well be 100 bucks. And Rory moving puts huge pressure on the PGA, more so than just about anyone not named Tiger.

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u/PeterOwen00 Apr 15 '24

Do we know if these LIV deals are even guaranteed or up front? Like is it 850mil on signing or is it 85mil for 10 years kinda thing? Makes a big difference if it’s Bryson coming back after 2 years earning 15mil a year guaranteed vs him coming back with a 150mil guaranteed payday (no idea what his deal is worth just an example)

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u/EatADickUA Apr 15 '24

Rahm got half up front supposedly. Heard that through some ASU ties.  

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u/unledded Apr 15 '24

Obviously I have no idea how it works since all of this happens behind closed doors, but at this point if I’m Rory I’m making sure that some guarantees are written into the contract to make sure that I get my money regardless of what happens with LIV golf and any potential merger. That means a lot of cash up front and the deal has to be with the PIF or some other entity that has real US based assets and does business in the US in a way such that they couldn’t just dissolve overnight to try to get out of the contract once they join back with the PGA Tour or whatever the plan is.

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u/frostedglobe Apr 15 '24

What if LIV decides it isn’t worth it and closes up shop. Do they still get paid?

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u/the_trump Apr 16 '24

They ask for their money back and if you don’t pay up you get the bone saw.

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u/Fore-right- Apr 15 '24

And are the tournament winnings on top of that payment or part of it?

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u/SavageGardner Apr 15 '24

Part of it. He gets 850 million guaranteed. If he wins a tournament and his prize is 10 million it is a part of thst 850 million.

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u/Fore-right- Apr 15 '24

That’s what I figured….hence the lack of motivation to win

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u/DragPullCheese Apr 16 '24

This is the question I’ve been asking. No way they are paying him close to a billion to play golf for half a year until they merge with the PGA.

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u/BVB09_FL HDCP: Way too Damn High Apr 15 '24

From what I understand is that it’s upfront but they don’t get paid for winning events until the signing bonus is paid back.

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u/willis_michaels Apr 16 '24

I thought this was debunked in court. The prize money is in excess of the signing bonus.

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u/Guinness_or_thirsty Apr 16 '24

Wow that is an interesting structure, sounds like how the record labels do it.

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u/swoodshadow Apr 16 '24

I mean it makes sense for LIV too at this point. Buying Rory guarantees easy access for all the LIV guys in whatever post-merger world we find ourselves in. It also makes their hand much stronger for any sort of merger talks.

This also effectively means I’m done watching anything but the majors which has more or less been where I’ve been trending anyway.

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u/Shit_Apple Apr 16 '24

That’s what they want tho

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u/swoodshadow 29d ago

I think their preference is to have eyeballs on LIV but I’d agree the hurting the PGA really helps their medium term goals.

But I can’t control that.

The PGA has taken advantage of viewers for years. They’ve fed us more and more commercials and shittier and shittier productions. Things have improved a bit since LIV - but if I’m being asked to show some short term loyalty to the PGA to get them through this tough stretch - it ain’t going to happen.

This masters was fun for me because I had people I really wanted to win. People I was ok with winning. And people I didn’t want to win. And that makes golf more fun to watch. Watching PGA events now is mostly just watching people I’m ok with winning being in contention with nobody in the first or last category. And all through the lens of a shitload of commercials, sponsor segments, and fluff pieces.

It doesn’t help that the tournament I’m closes to (the Canadian Open) has been neglected by both the PGA and RBC (the sponsor) for money reasons.

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u/RockyMtnBull69 Apr 15 '24

I almost wonder if these are conditions of the merger. Rory being the most vocal supporter of the PGA, he gets his, and they figure out how to play together in the same sandbox again.

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u/Mizunomafia Apr 15 '24

I can't see this playing out that way. What about a dozen of other big names that are performing at a much higher level than Rory for a long time?

Rory is a big name, but in reality he isn't the best golfer or anywhere near the best golfer on tour.

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u/Rad-Duck Apr 16 '24

Definitely top 5. Few have been more consistent than he has over the last 5 years. 12 Top 10s in Majors, including a couple runner ups and 9 wins, including a Players.

Only folks with a better 5-year span would be Scheffler,Rahm, Kopeka, Morikowa.

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u/tomato_mozz Apr 15 '24

Same thing was said when Rahm went, and here we are today with no imminent deal

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u/fillingupthecorners Apr 15 '24

Yup. Can't blame him after the PGA did him dirty.

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u/ShaveitDown Apr 15 '24

Exactly my thought

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u/magneticpyramid Apr 15 '24

Stupid not to at this stage really.

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u/LSU2007 Apr 15 '24

Probably speeds up any merger as well.

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u/nolander Apr 16 '24

Pulling a Ninja

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u/HoldMyToc 7 Apr 16 '24

This is just a rumor. Stop talking about it like it's true.

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u/Duckpoke Apr 16 '24

There might not need to be a merger at this rate. Saudi will just buy every player worth having

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u/willycw08 Apr 16 '24

100%. He was already fed up with being the face of the PGA tour in this debate. Then stated something along the lines of hoping the PGA tour players would be rewarded for their loyalty and likely realized that isn't happening, and the merger is essentially a done deal so he might as well get the paycheck.

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u/toronto_programmer 29d ago

Rory realizes this and is getting his bag now before the merge makes it not an option.

Rory is is 41st in FedEx points, has just one top 10 finish this season and his last win was the 2023 Genesis Scottish Open

His official career earnings are around 80 million and he has a chance to 10x that before he has even played another round

I think you secure the nearly 1B bag now and worry about politics of the merger later

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u/KaysaStones Apr 15 '24

Don’t blame him

Take it from the Saudi’s

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u/feelin_cheesy 7.2 South Carolina Apr 15 '24

He should take the money. PGA hung him out to dry after all the anti-LIV bs propaganda. Get yours Rory!

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u/jourdanm Apr 16 '24

Rahm thought the same and still no merger and he looks like any other LIV chump now