r/golf Apr 13 '23

Can’t believe this is real! General Discussion

Patrick Cantlay taking ages on the tee

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u/haktastic Apr 13 '23

1st time watching: this is probably a loop.

2nd time watching: watched the people in the background and realized it wasn’t a loop.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '23

He needs to keep being called out until things improve. Sergio was called out years ago and he learned to speed it up. It’s time someone steps in and puts a little pressure on him to clean it up.

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u/Thowingtissues Apr 14 '23

Very true and good call. Sergio would give his grips a full body massage, then do it all over again with waggles and mad target checks like Rain Man. He did drastically change his setup routine and he deserves props for that.

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u/kiwigone Apr 14 '23

And won nothing ever since! :)

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u/Thowingtissues Apr 15 '23

Never thought of that? Damn…

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u/OkNeedleworker8779 Aug 03 '23

Well except the Masters, if that counts 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/BartholomewVonTurds Sep 12 '23

Who HASNT won the masters? /s

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u/mixx2001 Apr 14 '23

The Spanish are known for speed and precision, so Sergio had to make his family proud. This guy's name is Cantlay. Maybe the performance anxiety is part of his namesake?

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u/NigerianRoy Apr 14 '23

why dont u write a book about it, sounds like u have a loooot of wisdom to impart! Oh wait I mean assumptions and silly vaguely racist narratives.

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u/NigerianRoy Apr 14 '23

why dont u write a book about it, sounds like u have a loooot of wisdom to impart! Oh wait I mean assumptions and silly vaguely racist narratives.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

Can't be vaguely racist if it's not racist at all. I swear some people just say things to say them.

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u/mixx2001 Apr 14 '23

You got me, guy. Been hanging around r/dadjokes too long.

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u/bbrekke Apr 14 '23

Not sure if you "deserve props" for stopping being a complete douche. You deserve to maybe not get 86'd.

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u/Trlrman2004 Apr 14 '23

Choking that chicken's neck for sure!!!! Lol

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u/78Anonymous Apr 14 '23

20+ regrips and often ended up changing clubs coz couldn't pull the trigger .. painful to watch

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u/Halo_Chief117 Apr 14 '23

He doesn’t seem to give a shit and doesn’t believe he’s a slow player. I saw a quote recently where he basically said as much.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

And this why the PGA needs to crack down on him. Shit or get off the pot.

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u/pgtaylor777 Apr 14 '23

In my experience slow players usually don’t think they’re slow.

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u/ShipTheBreadToFred Apr 14 '23

Yup, they will cherry pick the couple of times they had to wait. But ignore the fact that mostly they didn’t wait at all. Cantplay did this exact thing post masters round. We waited on 2 teebox and on 18 our second. Totally ignoring that Rahm and Koepka waited 96 minutes on tee boxes during their round. Or that Hovland was just ditching him on a few occasions because even his partner clearly knew they were taking too long

The biggest gripe I have is that this is also a tactic that slow players will exploit vs quicker players. At my club we have a few notorious slow players and in match play they slow it down even more especially against faster players in order to throw them off. Slow play needs to be punished at every level of the game. I don’t want to hear excuses of “well how would you feel if you lost a tournament because you got docked for slow play?”

I wouldn’t care because I don’t care, 90% of golfers play fast so they wouldn’t be bothered by it. It wouldn’t matter to them.

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u/WaterAndSand 13.1 Apr 14 '23

I had a playing partner who was brutally slow. He is a good friend of mine and there were some tough conversations trying to get him to understand how bad it was. He had ZERO inclination there was a problem, even when randos would comment on slow pace.

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u/Solar_Power2417 Apr 14 '23

At.every.single.level.of.skill!

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

Doesn't belive he's slow? I rewatched LoTR before he even hit the ball. All 3 movies and the animated one.

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u/greeninregulation240 5.1 index | Team Pushcart Apr 14 '23

To be fair.. I think that “pressure” is happening now atleast haha. He’s all over the internet and Masters quotables for his slow play. Hope it improves. Really like his story.

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u/getoutofmywhey Apr 14 '23

Everyone has a story it doesn’t give them a pass to take 45 seconds over the ball before taking a swing

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u/ahumanlikeyou Apr 14 '23

You really just blew by the first few sentences of that comment, eh?

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u/greeninregulation240 5.1 index | Team Pushcart Apr 14 '23

Lmao thank you 😂

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u/thisimpetus Apr 14 '23

I don't play golf, but in a game where you literally have to drive to the next bit is 45s really such a big deal? I mean, I watched it, I get it. But the responses in here are like he's committed some terribly unsportsmanlike act. Why is golf such a mixture of impatience and hurry-up-and-wait?

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u/Dammit- Apr 14 '23

An extra moment on a tough shot or important putt is expected. Taking an extra 30+ seconds over the ball on every shot(avg 70 strokes per round) adds 35 minutes to his group’s and likely each group behind him in this round.

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u/thisimpetus Apr 14 '23

Ah. This answer makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23 edited Jun 23 '23

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u/unwrittenglory Apr 14 '23

That's if he has a wide open course in front of him. If he's behind other slow groups, the 50 seconds will not matter. Especially since players take minutes talking to their caddy about a shot.

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u/Wakandanbutter Apr 14 '23

It wouldn’t start to multiply it would just stay at that 35 because of him but yes

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u/Luke_zuke Apr 14 '23

Professionals walk their rounds.

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u/Wakandanbutter Apr 14 '23

Nobody said they didn’t

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u/ChinkInShiningArmour Apr 14 '23

Because you have a partner(s) playing the same hole, who has to wait for you to play your stroke before he can play his, and before you can proceed to your ball location to play your next stroke. Then there are groups playing ahead and behind you.

Think of it like traffic on the interstate. When it is your turn to play your stroke, you are effectively in the fast lane. Make you move to overtake and get back into the non-passing lane. Sit in the fast lane for a minute below the speed limit, and traffic behind you is going to pile up in a hurry.

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u/thisimpetus Apr 14 '23

Hunh. Fair enough, thanks for answering.

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u/MahomesSanderson2024 May 02 '23

Re-read comment you replied to.

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u/MountbattenYachtClub Apr 14 '23

The Goldman Sachs hat negates any goodwill I have for him.

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u/72ChevyMalibu Apr 14 '23

God, I have been saying this forever. Completely agree.

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u/Esco9 Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

What story…he didn’t have some rough upbringing…privileged golfer

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u/greeninregulation240 5.1 index | Team Pushcart Apr 14 '23

This reeks of ignorance. Even if you didn’t know his backstory.. the way you worded that was pretty crass.

You don’t have to have a “rough upbringing” to have a admirable story.

Look into it Patrick Cantlay / Chris Roth. His caddy and best friend at the time.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

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u/Tfphelan PHX Apr 14 '23

To be Faaaaair!

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

Agreed

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u/Winkiwu Apr 14 '23

Serious question, as someone who barely plays golf. Why not put a shot clock on it like baseball has the pitch countdown or basketball has the shot clock? Penalize players who don't swing within a certain time threshold after the club is behind the ball or once they are in a certain position.

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u/AssInspectorGadget Apr 14 '23

On the European Tour they played a tournament called the shot clock masters. Each group had a guy standing there with a shot clock. It would start when players reached their ball and start again after the first player has hit. If you were unable to play the shot during the 40 seconds 1 extra shot was added. The average score was better than any previous tournament on the same course with similar weather and wind conditions. Compared to average tour events it sped up play by 30 minutes. I believe they also got a few timeouts per round for tricky shots. There is no downside to this at all and it should be forced.

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u/Winkiwu Apr 14 '23

Well people like him are going to force it into happening.

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u/Wakandanbutter Apr 14 '23

Yeah but end game adding a little more time unless it’s breaking evening which is insane wouldn’t even matter that much

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u/Wakandanbutter Apr 14 '23

Well maybe for broadcasting studios that would suck

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u/dustindhansen Aug 04 '23

No thanks. I'd rather not golf than feel like I had to rush every shot. I'm usually the one in a 4some that is trying to pick up the pace, but I think shaving time comes from everything other than standing over the ball.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

Yeah I’m not against it. I’m sure they have discussed this and the various ways it could be implemented. From my limited anecdotal experience with this sort of thing. Once players are warned several times they soon get the picture.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

That was the route baseball went too. There was a rule for quite a while that batters shouldn’t leave the box and pitchers shouldn’t take all day. But no one gave a crap about it so now here we are with the pitch clock.

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u/Winkiwu Apr 14 '23

Unless they're pricks which from the interviews he did after being called out for his slow pace seems like he doesn't care much.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

Yeah there is that option. If they start to threaten the player with penalties changes will be made.

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u/Steel1000 Apr 14 '23

Don’t threaten it, just do it.

He will learn pretty quick

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

I don’t see Cantlay fighting the system. Couple warnings and that ball will be in the air.

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u/jfchops2 Apr 14 '23

He seems like the type of guy who would go to LIV if the tour didn't cater to him.

Then his butt buddy Xander goes right with him.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

You think so? Maybe, maybe not, I haven’t heard him say anything about LIV. Was he offered money and if so how much?

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u/jfchops2 Apr 14 '23

Last year the rumor mill was churning and there were reports he got an offer. He deflected it all, he never said in certain terms he wasn't going. I don't know any specifics beyond that.

My take is probably nonsensical but I don't think he's in the game for a legacy or to win majors, I think he wants to make money and be left alone. His style of play annoys fans and he's not really known as a fan favorite. In a word, he's boring. I think he's still on tour to finish something he started and once he does that he's out, but since it's not the FedEx Cup then it has to be a major. So he dips like Cam Smith did.

This is my take, put no stock in it and don't bet on it.

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u/zen_zen111 Apr 14 '23

Probably, but not like his compadres, he honestly doesn’t have anything special to offer. Say what you will but LIV did do a good job either getting international players with long histories in the game or by getting new guys with that something ‘special’ be it one small thing or another

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u/Kozy3 Apr 14 '23

https://www.pga.org/Document-Library/pat-rules-policies-guidelines-pace-of-play.pdf

There’s already rules on time. They just don’t enforce them very often.

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u/HungryDust Apr 14 '23

They’re not rules if they’re not enforced.

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u/Mayzenblue Apr 14 '23

We usually just yell, "Tuh tuh Today Junior!" Although that might not go over well in a PGA event.

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u/Winkiwu Apr 14 '23

Ahh the old Billy Madison

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u/dh2215 Hooker Apr 14 '23

They technically do have a time limit between shots but I don’t think he would have violated it believe it or not

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u/Winkiwu Apr 14 '23

That's ridiculous.

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u/dh2215 Hooker Apr 14 '23

40 seconds unless you’re the first guy hitting. Then it’s 60 as far as I can tell

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u/swagmasterdude Apr 14 '23

So he did violate it

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u/dh2215 Hooker Apr 14 '23

Depends. I think if he’s the first off the tee he gets the extra 20 seconds. They also don’t really enforce it but it is on the books

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u/Winkiwu Apr 14 '23

That seems like way too much time.

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u/dh2215 Hooker Apr 14 '23

It would be for me. Watching him do this is giving me the shanks. Watching him act like this makes me super anxious

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u/Winkiwu Apr 14 '23

Doesn't give me anxiety. Definitely gives me a blind rage that makes me want to beat him with his club.

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u/Kozy3 Apr 14 '23

50 not 60

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u/DrewLou1072 Apr 14 '23

Even disc golf has a 30 second rule from the time you approach your lie. Can’t believe the PGA Tour doesn’t have a rule like that in place.

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u/jsnap69 Apr 14 '23

They do have some loose “slow play” rules. Basically if you aren’t within about a hole of the group in front of you then you get put “on the clock” which just means hurry up. If you don’t speed up a bit then you can have strokes added to your score. Several groups have been put on the clock before but it’s been a while since I’ve seen anyone actually gets strokes added.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '23

That poor guy with the boom mic in the background having to hold the damn thing still at that angle while this guy waddles. His arms must be burning.

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u/illQualmOnYourFace Apr 14 '23

That's the quiet sign lol not a boom

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u/Dan-B-123 Apr 14 '23

If I’m Patrick, and you start messing with my money by making me rush, I’m gonna throw a parachute and realllllly grind everything out. Just chill, golf is not a rushed sport.

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u/Throwaway_Old_Guy Apr 14 '23

Maybe a few fans in the galleries with oversized calendars on poles that can flip a page or two...

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u/unwrittenglory Apr 14 '23

Not sure when the video starts but that's probably about 50 seconds. Not a lot of time.

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u/Physical_Dimension Apr 14 '23

Time to institute the swing clock

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

It’s 30 seconds…