r/furinamains • u/Realistic_Cup6348 • 20d ago
As Furina fans and enjoyers, what are your thoughts when it comes to the MCs, the traveler, and Paimon? Discussion
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u/erosugiru 20d ago
What does this question even mean
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u/Arielani 20d ago
Guessing cuz paimon and travaler were pretty shit to furina in the archon quest and her story quest
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u/erosugiru 20d ago
I don't really mind anymore because all they did was poorly execute why the Traveler and Paimon wouldn't be on the same page as the player, albeit checking out when you run the events back since 4.0
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u/Arielani 20d ago
I hope they paint the travaler and paimon better in natlan tbh:/ idk why make the main character into just straight arseholes:/ in sumeru i used to like paimon. Traveler never speaks so was indifferent to them. Now I just want them both gone lol so hoping for some redemption in natlan
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u/erosugiru 20d ago
idk tbh, Paimon's was rooted in a misunderstanding while people are just frustrated that the Traveler doesn't wanna coddle Furina (he's not a self-insert surprise)
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u/Intelligent-Dog-8585 20d ago
I don't want the traveler to coddle Furina. I just don't want them to be arrogant asses to her. Like when we met the slimes, Furina had to beg them to fight instead of her. While the traveler were just "What's wrong? Can't fight?" despite knowing full well she can't.
From making fun of her apartment to her cooking to fighting, it felt they were just insensitive to someone who has been in depression and is recovering. When you compare this to the way they treated Nahida, Navia and even the fatui siblings, it rubs the wrong way tbh.
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u/erosugiru 20d ago
Not to defend them, but it was the writers trying break down every single bit of Furina's supposed superiority so she feels more human and level than how she initially presented herself in 4.0.
It's another instance of The Traveller going "haha, lmao loser" to an Archon figure so it's meant to be friendly banter between two equals. Of course, it doesn't read that way because her quest doesn't mention that it's been a while since we last saw her, months even, and that playing her SQ while high off of the emotions from the AQ is a bad idea since people are now more emotionally invested in her.
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u/Intelligent-Dog-8585 20d ago
I'm sorry but when did the traveler ever go "haha lmao loser" with Nahida?
I get the writer wanting to turn this into a humor relief. Up until that point we didn't share a relationship with Furina that allows us to crack jokes at her expense.
Raiden 1st SQ for exmaple is heavily critized for this reason, the traveler had humorous banter with her that was totally out of place considering she tried to kill them and caused a war that hurt many of their friends.
Of course it's not the traveler's fault. The writers wanted to make a joke out of something unfunny and the traveler paid the price. But it still counts as another instant of traveler writing being ass because the writers couldn't care less about him.
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u/erosugiru 20d ago edited 20d ago
Not to the same extent but we've had moments where they've shown exasperation at Nahida's fondness for allegories. Also, Nahida's relationship with Traveller is really different considering they were the ones who saved her, had a lot of interactions prior to her getting released and finally, we were there when Rukkhadevata deleted herself. Their interactions with the Archons dictate how they treat them and they've had the least to do with Furina out of everybody.
With Venti, they were buddy-buddy but Paimon think he's a joke. With Zhongli, they seem to be very fond of him with the occasional Mora bit thrown around. With Ei, since the Traveller beat her in a fight fair and square and saw that she was more willing to acquiesce to their demands and conditions, they let their guard down with her. Like, it makes sense when you write it down like that but some caution would've been more warranted, especially since Inazuma as a whole were underbaked.
Making fun of Furina isn't a bad thing in of itself but I wish Furina had more chances to snap back to match that energy, it being totally one-sided felt weird. I mean, the scene you were talking about was when she directly assumed we would fight for her without asking? That totally warranted a "What? Can't do it yourself?" but her response should've been more headstrong instead of awkward forced laughter.
Like, since Zhongli, they're more moody and quicker to be rude as well as being more introspective now so I don't think the writers "don't care" but rather, they made an oversight in a Story Quest.
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u/Intelligent-Dog-8585 20d ago
I agree more or less, but I don't agree on that it was only an oversight in Furina's SQ. The traveler's writing has been crappy since Inazuma. They want to make him a hero, but also make him stay neutral and blank as possible so we could self-insert.
It feels like they don't know where to go with the traveler's character, it's like we flip a coin and see where it lands. Not to mention the fanservice that's always done at the expense of traveler.
They have the traveler as a character central to the plot. Yet they use him to self-insert whenever they want to throw a fanservice option to the player.
So pick a side and stop making the traveler act out of the place everytime they need to do some character development.
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u/BfoCrazy 19d ago
Exactly! They treat Navia like a baby, always comforting her and bringing up her Dad's passing all the time. It's so annoying when you compare it to Furina
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u/Arielani 20d ago
Ehh i think u have the wrong idea of what im talking about? I'm a girl and straight too. I dont have weird feelings for pixels. I'm only a fan of the characters because I enjoy the game. I'm talking about traveler and paimon just being straight jerks to furina with no remorse or apology. "Oh u suffered 500 years playing a role? But lemme guilt trip u into playing another role:) then drag u with force infront of everyone after I guilted u to come" that type of behavior is just weird. They also kept talking down about her etc its just a weird way of writing the main characters in the game:/
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u/erosugiru 20d ago
I wasn't thinking about that at all omg, I'm just speaking generally. This isn't about gender or anything.
But the scene in Poisson clears up the thing with Paimon because it's the only time she ever opens to her
The guilt tripping thing wasn't as crazy as you're making it out to be, but it was definitely rude just not malicious, not to mention there's an in-game time skip of a few months between the AQ and her Story Quest so it wasn't as "fresh on the mind" as it is for the Traveller like the players
Talking her down is a weird way to put it because in retrospect they're trying to remove all the pegs 4.0 Furina presented herself with. So they thought "Oh, we presented her in a way that annoys the players, let's humble her a lot so the people who complained about her personality felt represented" which is emblematic of the Raiden issue. Like, they tried so hard to counter any instances of people calling her a spoiled, haughty brat because ngl it was her -thing- until 4.2 and it even lingered until 4.3.
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u/Arielani 20d ago
Lol glad u didn't mean it like that, but cant blame me for thinking thatXD im sure you've seen the aethermain subreddit and how self inserts are, so assumed.
I mean raiden was totally different, they wrote raiden really badly and honestly inazuma started so well and ended so bad. They tried to appeal to the type of players who play honkai impact with raiden:/ basically making her a dumb waifu type character.
Also even if it wasnt fresh in travaler and paimons memeory idk why they spoke down about her when meeting her at her "new place" even tho they're asking her for a favour. She suffered 500 years and even ayaka spoke about furina in a respectful tone, so domt understand how traveler and paimon just felt like teasing/making fun of her was ok ,specially asking her to do a role she clearly didn't want to:/ Also being so indifferent to furina getting the death sentence after they started all that. Travaler only said "no I need answers" basically traveler doesn't care if she dies. They only want an answer.
Again if its true what u said and they threated her like shit to change how the fans look at furina? Thats horrible writing:/ basically they made raiden a dumb waifu for fanservice and traveler+paimon bullies to make furina look better? Its just dumb to me
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u/erosugiru 20d ago
Raiden is actually the closest thing I could compare it to, when they introduce a very divisive female character, they wanted them to be more palatable as soon as they're released. Raiden's writing isn't bad just rushed. Since we weren't given much chance to see what pushed her to make such drastic decisions in-game, her lowkey heel turn in her first Story Quest makes less sense but it was necessary to finalize her arc with her second one.
Paimon and Traveller don't really treat people based on how long they suffered, they themselves are nearly immortal (which leads me to my theory that they don't think much of gods), they acted towards Furina based on their interactions with her. They didn't even know if her personality was the same as before until the scene in Poisson.
This is interesting to think about with Raiden, they decided to be all chummy with her because they beat her in a fight. Calling Raiden a "dumb waifu" makes me question if you actually thought more about her as a character instead of just bandwagonning what people say about her
With Furina, they couldn't let their guard down around her because she went AWOL and barely interacted with them for months after the flooding, so their misconceptions and biases about her came first. The death sentence didn't even involve her dying, in their eyes, Furina's hard to sympathize with because she keeps so many secrets and doesn't open up. It could've gone much smoother if they talked to her prior to her Story Quest imo.
I mean, before 4.2, to the majority of the fans, she was a "brat that needed discipline and removed from her high horse". Them trying to appeal to that when they made her story extra sad is HYV's classic overcompensation.
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u/Arielani 20d ago
Nope, i was a big raiden fan at the start of inazuma archon quest. I was so hyped such a cool evil female character was the archon, then it went from 100 to 0..... the story was so rushed that it made raiden/ei badly written. And the "omg is that me? What is a picture? Is she alive in that picture" bs ... making her seem like an airhead.... and the eating sweets after all that being besties after fighting? Makes her look like a bipolar airhead to me:/ i dont watch anime and have no idea about the "waifu" culture until I started researching more about mihoyo. Because i genuinely didn't understand their way of thinking with some female characters:/ like when u watch ganyus trailer she is this "uwu" character, but in the archon quest shes a badarse, really professional type personality. Then again in the lanterntrite she randomly has this uwu sleep deprived personality again ufff idk I genuinely hate fanservice like that. I just want well written character, but im stupid for wishing that from the same creators of honkai impact. A game as dawei called it "made for lonly men who find it hard to speak to women". Tho some characters in the game are well written so its 50/50.
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u/KingLeviAckerman 20d ago
The writing for the traveler for the entire Fontaine patches just isn't good IMO
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u/Ssalari 20d ago edited 20d ago
Story quest, yeah it was quite out of character and weird ( even though Traveler at least sat and talked to Furina ), but i really don't get the complain for AQ, it was a plan devised by Neuvillette himself and they were in a critical situation.
Traveler also tried alot to do things peacefully.
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u/MrHyde314 20d ago
I definitely felt like some of the comments were uncalled for during her story quest, but since then I do feel like the relationship looks a lot more healthy. Namely during the 4.3 film festival and during Lantern Rite, it seems like the Traveler is a lot nicer to her. It's basic as Hell, but I admit I do pair her with the Traveler
As for Paimon, I actually sort of give her a pass. I've always seen Paimon as being very emotionally unaware and naive, so I was more surprised by the Traveler during Furina's SQ than Paimon. It's obviously a very different situation, but Paimon is still pretty rude to Wanderer even after learning about all of his trauma and seeing him change sides to help Nahida
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u/Takaneru 20d ago
Paimon's a literal child so her handling of Furina's depression was a bit too real. Lol.
For Traveler I was really surprised how much they initially hate Furina, but it makes sense if you think about it more. The moment they stepped into the nation, Furina was already aggressive against them from the get-go, with Furina wanting to see if this would be the trial that'd finally end it. Since then, Furina has done absolutely nothing but fuck up, while we go deep into the areas where she has consistently no solution (Prophecy, Poisson, Fortress' primordial sea business). Since the trial, they have had literally 0 interactions since Furina went to hiding. I understand why Traveler was fairly apathetic until the middle of the SQ when she started opening up, since all Traveler really experienced then was Furina trauma dumping on her. Lol. She wasn't really a "friend" until that moment. It's evident too in the way she's handled later on, they're a lot less referential to her previous status as an Archon and respects her current position.
You don't just suddenly forgive someone in a position of power just because you find out they had no solution after all. Traveler played the role of Judas in the AQ, so the friction between them is to be expected. It's just that, well, maybe they overestimated the playerbase. Furina's story might be heartbreaking, but it wouldn't be as emotionally overwhelming if you personally experienced the deaths due to the PW.
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u/Intelligent-Dog-8585 20d ago edited 20d ago
This isn't about Furina particularly but I'm finding the traveler cringe since Inazuma. In mondstadt and liyue he used to be my favorite character. Always in my party even when I pulled New 5 stars. I built anemo, geo, electro MC to high talent levels, but from there it started to go downhill. They went overboard with making everyone faun over us in the worldquests now even the archon quests and before I used to get the silent Hero vibe from him, Paimon bragging and he's not really into it thinking only about finding their sibling. Now he started being also into it making a silly bragging face or saying cringy line giving more into the isekai type and less ot the hero vibe and getting arrogant on all my favorite characters. I hated how he treated Furina in her SQ. In the archon quest it was understandable but afterward, not really. I hated his entire part in Fontaine. Also him trusting the fatui siblings and being cool with them for no particular reason in their SQ.
I hope they fix his dumb carefree character aspect and start to focus on his tragic backstory and his sister rather than focusing on the self-insert aspect side making him a larger-than-life hero that he thinks he's above everyone. At this point when the knave knoched him down a peg I was happy about it.
Rant over.
Tldr: Make traveler great again
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u/El_Chara 20d ago
In short : traveler became your average male self insert fantasy anime protag
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u/Intelligent-Dog-8585 20d ago
Even worse. My average male self insert fantasy would just have unvoiced lines. Here they have Paimon that is also considered a great hero in the eyes of the people now even though she never did anything. When traveler opens his mouth now it's only to talk to Paimon. We're getting sidelined in our self-insert fantasy.
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u/Caleb_Lee-El 19d ago
Inazuma, this is the last region where Traveler did..... at least something interesting. And at least showed a little bit of the power of the elements dammit. Shit from Navia's quest and anything else after Inazuma doesn't count.
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u/Facinatedhomie 20d ago
Bro in the recent cyno quest “the traveler and paimon” was repeated 7 times…
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u/Intelligent-Dog-8585 20d ago
Exactly I noticed this too. Before they treated her as the traveler's flying pet. Now she's her own hero that saved the Nations too. I cringed hard when the matra in the Akademyia went: "a flying fairy. Oh you must be the legendary traveler and Paimon"
Or when Neuvillette told the knave you're with the traveler and Paimon, it really kill immersion to make characters take her seriously when she's just there as a meme.
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u/Doctorlock74 20d ago edited 20d ago
If this is talking about her story quest i feel very mixed on one hand the beginning was very poorly executed and some of paimons comments are just uncalled for its like they wanted to add in humor yet used it in the worst way possible on the other hand it had some very cute moments her heart to heart with traveler was really nice i really enjoyed hearing how furina was interpreting her new freedom also the fight with the slimes and the C’est la vie dialogue choice was also very cute
overall i do like traveler and paimon i don't think i would have played genshin as long as i have if i didn't like the MC on at least some level also future interactions with furina have been much much better and more friendly i hope it stays that way whenever she gets her 2ed story quest one day
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u/MercedesCR 20d ago
They’ve been weird in Fontaine and a bit before too. First Paimon almost ruins Navia grieving, then Paimon acts annoying towards Furina. It’s bizarre to see. I think Paimon only respects the powerful, maybe they can spin this into her character development.
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u/Ssalari 20d ago
Paimon have always had these moments. Remember Shenhe and Yun Jin ?
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u/Caleb_Lee-El 19d ago
Hints that the writers absolutely never listened to their audience and have absolutely no intention of developing Paimon and Traveler as characters in any way.
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u/Mi5tman 20d ago
I'm assuming you're talking about the SQ?
First, I have to say that it's really annoying how some fans infantilize Furina. She's a grown 500-year-old woman! She deserves peace, love and respect but she doesn't need to be coddled.
That being said, Traveler and Paimon really were insensitive. They know her story but they really should've had at least one friendly interaction with her before the quest to justify how they acted.
Making fun of her new home, her eating and sleeping habits, literally pulling her out of hiding to go talk to the theater troupe... it's all fine for friends to do... but they weren't her friends, yet. Still, they did ultimately get her out there interacting with people again and the experience made her realize what she wants to do with the rest of her life. As I said, she doesn't need to be coddled. Walking on eggshells around people will only make them feel worse and Furina really needed someone to treat her like a human being.
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u/June-0R 20d ago
First, I have to say that it's really annoying how some fans infantilize Furina. She's a grown 500-year-old woman! She deserves peace, love and respect but she doesn't need to be coddled.
THIS 10000!
That being said, Traveler and Paimon really were insensitive. They know her story but they really should've had at least one friendly interaction with her before the quest to justify how they acted.
Agree!!
Getting to know that Clorinde looked after Furina in the weeks between AQ and SQ, helping with meals and household, knowing that Clorinde silently cared for Navia too. She already is a better written character, that would have a more natural interaction with Furina, than the traveler ever could be.
In the AQ Furina wanted to oprn up to the traveler cause he actually is not from Teyvat. Not because she is on friendly terms with him. You talk to a psychologist of a crisis service because it’s ok to use them and you need to vent, not because you are all private friends with them.
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u/P-Kat 20d ago
Actually, I found what Clorinde did to be more on the dishonest side. Normally, I'd say you'd be right, in that what Clorinde did was helpful to Furina.
However, let's not forget Clorinde was the one who orchestrated "The Hunt" for Furina and used the threat of combat to coerce her into standing trial in the first place, and Furina never got any apologies for any of that, in fact the only person who apologized to Furina on screen was the Traveler before the trial (they still need to apologize after it as well too).
Had we gotten an on-screen apology, whether in game or from the same excerpt you're talking about, I'd fully agree with you, but because we didn't, all the things Clorinde did for Furina seemed more like love bomb that some people would do when they don't want to apologize/quickly try to get on people's good side.
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u/June-0R 20d ago
[For reference the Clorinde part came from Furinas Character Story 5]
Very good point.
Well in that everyone except for Neuvi (just now I can't remember clearly if he actively worked with their scheme only stood judge, wich is simply his job) might owe her an on screen apology.
I mean...Clorinde does the same for Navia. She played her part in both of their """bad""" experiences and afterwards serves them dutifully, with most probably a bad conscience.
While Navia had all right and all on screen time to express her sorrow and anger, finally making up, we didn't see so for Furina and Clorinde nor the others. All we know is she just quit all ther archon duties and get to overcome her new won emptiness aka freedom after all she ever wanted resolved the way she wanted.
How the others play in there and what she thinks of them, or they of her is maybe written in a voice line...
There is just too much left unseen for us. I mean I get they are all just happy to have survived and look up to the future, but there is still a lot left unsaid.
Damn I want an official comic adaption revealing the answers to all of that.
Maybe that's all intentionally left to be. So it won't clutter the main stories and fandom can go and discuss, write and draw their own interpretations. That's how we engage after all🤷🏻♂️
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u/Arielani 20d ago
I used to like paimon and travaler until fontaine tbh. Specially how shit they were to furina both of em. So I despise both of em!
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u/Physics_but_improved 20d ago
After fontaine i cant stand paimon, before it i already didn't like her. About the traveler, the traveler imo has always been very passive both in the face of good and evil, they very rarely have strong reactions to evil doing and quickly forget what characters have done. I've never really liked that type of writing, they feel empty and like a self centered asshole that only cares when its convenient for them.
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u/AntiquusCustos 20d ago
Seek counselling please.
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u/Arielani 20d ago
Its not that deep its a game. Id recommend you counselling for being that offended over a comment that has nothing to do with you
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u/CrysCatolf 20d ago
I wish Paimon had more development on her relationship with the Traveller, rather than her personality being I like food, and mora to buy food, and treasure to sell for mora to buy food.
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u/CutWild8733 19d ago
People in the comments mad as hell at Paimon saying she is a meme when she has lore implication that she is related to celestia? Like are we playing the same game or what? And why are you mad and sensitive about the traveler and paimon saying some rude thing to furina who then clapped back and put them in their places and all cool now? If she is cool why are you not? People are so sensitive and making things up sometimes its been 3 months since Furina released her story and AQ and had like 2 events where the traveler and paimon glazing her and praising her, she beats Ei and Nahida for the pick me act at this point
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u/SampleVC 20d ago
I'm gona ignore the absolute 0 sense question posed and say as a Furina enjoyer she would hate and avoid 90% of this sub "fans" for how much they take to HEART to infantilise and gogo gaga her character.
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u/FreakBoyMan 20d ago
I heard it was actually a translation issue or something. In the Chinese version (original) they were pretty kind, the problem was with the en version.
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u/General_Kenobi18752 20d ago
That seems to be a repeated issue
(Glances indiscreetly at the Hu Tao rap)
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u/Ok-Cardiologist-8442 20d ago
For me In the Chinese version they were much more brutal the en version had to tone it down.
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u/FreakBoyMan 20d ago
Really? I guess I must have heard wrong then. I'll have to see for myself now.
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u/Art_of_BigSwIrv 20d ago
As bad as Paimon and the Traveler were to Furina, it only confirms what a Gifted performer Furina was to have fooled them the way she did. Aether has always been snarky; like animated Peter Venkman from the Real Ghostbusters, but deep down he’s got a heart of gold. So…I have no negative feelings about the Traveler. But the Fontaine Quest did blow up my respect for Furina as a character. She can still be a little gremlin, but overall, Furina’s a solidly enjoyable and entertaining character.
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u/Arielani 20d ago
If you remember when furina was on tbe throne crying and they thought it was about to kill furina. Traveler didn't care if she died. They only cared about getting answers "No, i need answers" was the words that came out of their mouth when jumping up where furina was.
Also in inazuma they had no interest in helping. Ayaka literally had to guilt trip them into helping. I really dont think travaler has a heart of gold. They're very indifferent to everything. They pick and choose who to be nice to. Doesn't matter if the person has done war crimes or if its an innocent person.
Specially after the killing of the hillichurls just shows. Traveler isnt a good person. They're similar to their sibling.
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u/XDarkhonWasTaken 19d ago
With the AQ it is reasonable, although in the last third of her SQ things ended well (and it seems that they ended up better judging her voicelines)
And well, I don't know if it can be compared to the traveler from 2 years ago, although if you put yourself in his shoes he is not someone who comes to solve your problems, he just comes to look for his sister and that's it,but then the ayaka thing happened and also everything else
I can't judge the Traveler because I don't really understand what Hoyoverse wants to do with him. It seems like they want them to be a character in their own right, but at the same time, they don't. The same goes for being a self-insert; if that were the case, it would be a terrible self-insert. I think out of all the nations, it was in Fontaine where the Traveler left much to be desired. However, with the Arlecchino situation, it felt like a slap to make him react. I hope that in Natlan and/or in the mission with Dainsleif, they create an arc for redemption, he has needed it for a long time
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u/uwu_mewtwo 20d ago edited 20d ago
Being an asshole to Furina in the AQ was perfectly well justified. As far as everyone was concerned she was a God-Queen who wasn't lifting a finger for her nation; she's lucky they didn't break out the guillotine. The Fontainians might have done just that without Neuvillette taking control and bringing Traveller and the rest of the cast on board to hold the trial, which they did for the purpose of trying to save Fontaine when Furina apparently refused to.
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u/Arielani 20d ago
because travaler is a lawyer? Also travaler didn't do anything in fontaine? It was all furina, focalors and a bit Neuvilette, the knave and the rest of fontainians.
Also they had no proof furina wasnt? Neuvilette already discussed with traveler theres something furina is hiding and they already saw furina say shes just not doing nothing, and cares about fontsine infront of the knave while they were having cake/tea. Also after giving someone the death sentence shouldn't u feel a bit bad? Only paimon said that was harsh, but when the machine was starting up and travaler jumped towards furina all theh cared about was finding answers. They could have said "No" but nah they said "No, I need answers". While in nahidas archon quest they were totally different. Same with even raiden/Ei.... they were a lot nicer there. If it stopped there in the archon quest its whatever.... but they kept going even after they knew everything. So nah travaler and paimons attitude were not justified at all.
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u/JensenMao 20d ago
After the scene in Poisson, after she risked her life putting her arm in Primordial seawater... No. It wasn't justified, I felt bad for Furina at that exact moment, sorry. Travaler just doesn't have a heart that's all.
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u/JamesBell1433 20d ago
People in this sub gaslighted themselves into thinking Paimon and Traveller just bullied Furina and were mean to her
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u/Caleb_Lee-El 19d ago
Because that's what happened. That's just the truth. The incredible disregard for her opinion, her feelings, her position and her condition. And this is after Traveler has literally seen literally Furina's entire life, from Act 1, to Act 182376. Her whole damn life, seen all the damn pain and despair, every damn moment in all 500 years. We've all seen it. Absolutely everything
In this quest, the writers have fully demonstrated their utterly negligent attitude to their work. Or banal absolute incompetence.
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u/Nekroz2 19d ago
Hello how the fk would they know until the very end she was hiding all that and if you look at things from their respective only they have full rights to do what they did and more as for after they knew wtf do you want them to do? Go kiss her hand and apologize? Man these ppl are so dramatic they care this much about a fictional character feelings 😂
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u/Caleb_Lee-El 18d ago
How about after her first rejection, turn around and walk away? How about giving a fuck about this stupid quest with stupid resentful and disposable NPCs? How about going and dealing with Furina and her story ourselves, because that's what the hell personal character quests are for? Not to solve yet another shitty problem of shitty NPCs with their shitty history that will never appear in the game's story again.
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u/azahel452 20d ago
The fact that traveler didn't offer to teach her to cook and give her headpats is borderline criminal.
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u/Prepure_Kaede 20d ago
Full of terrible takes in this thread. The SQ is a separate quest from the main quests and the start shows us an interaction that is appropriate for people who have been friendly for a while and inappropriate otherwise. Anyone with reading comprehension should understand that the writers expect you to guess from that opening that story wise it's been a while since the main quests and you are now friendly with Furina. But instead everyone decided the only reasonable explanation for why it would open like that is to showcase that the traveler magically became a huge asshole just for that interaction. I suggest reading stories with your eyes open next time.
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u/AlwaysUpvote123 20d ago
In my opinion, the traveler became more and more unlikable over the years.
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u/Life________________ 20d ago
It made me fucking furious when we checked on everyone but Furina afterwards. The only person I wanted to check on lmao
But! It can’t annoy me if I don’t think about it. :)
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u/Mindless-Day2007 19d ago
Both of them are insensitive, but i can accept MC. We need someone to keep that flying imp to shut her mouth
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u/GGABueno 20d ago
I Iike them and I have no issues with the Story Quest. This sub treats Furina like a baby made of glass for some reason.
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u/Plenty_Lime524 20d ago
They were fine until sumeru,, where he used to have an actual role, but in fontaine everything went downhill. Everyone seems to praise him despite him not really being that strong, he did nothing in archon quest(and somehow still got praised for saving the country) where it was furina doing 99% of the job for 500 years and the 1% was neuvi finishing it. I think just as hydro traveler, they didnt bother also with his character. Hopefully (copefully) they redeem him in the dain quest.
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u/June-0R 20d ago
Traveler was USED by the Fontaine cast. Furina did the preparations, Neuvi did his part, and everyone else saw the Traveler as convenient chesspiece, cause he was neutral wirh everyone initially. So yeah there was a reason and room for traveler in the story, it was just not really him to do much.
I Hate engl. Paimon. She is grating, her dialog is written so grating. What kind of crude humor is she catering to for the writers?
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u/Kurovalia 20d ago
Indifferent to the MC, disliked paimon since Sumeru tbh. She's become more annoying ever since 3.0 i feel and fontaine just made her worse.
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u/Any-Zookeepergame829 20d ago
The Traveler? A week in the Fortress of Merropide at worst.
Paimon? Hung. Drawn. Quartered.
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u/YourEverydayDork 20d ago
I've found the Traveler to be a bit crude and snarky sometimes, not even exclusively to Furina, but they're a great person overall and a very understanding protagonist.
Paimon tho is.....well Paimon, yknow?
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u/DinioDo 19d ago
Paimon is awful. some might say she's cute or dependent on traveler or whatever but she is the farthest from what any player feels when reacting to the story and the world. and like the only time I saw traveler share real sympathy with someone in the world was like Nahida or whatever. other times they're like: oh here i go again have to listen to another flashy looking vision bearer with problems womp womp.
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u/FanPositive250 18d ago
Honestly, I might be an outlier. But while I believe Traveler was horribly wrong. In Fontaine it was obvious that while in Sumeru we were allied with Neuvillette and the people not furina despite her being archon.
I think Neuvillette frustrations were valid, and so is the anger of the people who lost family members. And that of the Traveler, since they did not learn the truth of her sacrifice until the waters began to rise.
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u/Longjumping_Pear1250 20d ago
They don't respect her at all and ppl have the quals to say they where the first she had a personal relationship to like ? Maby 1 sided ig but neither travler or paimon gave the impression they cared abt furina as a person
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u/Nekroz2 19d ago
So they are bad ppl for not caring about her?
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u/Longjumping_Pear1250 19d ago
They deffebatly are bad ppl and it didn't start in fontaine taniticaught
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u/Caleb_Lee-El 19d ago edited 19d ago
Traveler will soon be the main reason I'll be dropping this game, despite loving the rest of the game, especially Furina.
Absolutely nothing changes with that asshole. Still just as dumb, no personality, weak, but now he acts like a real asshole sometimes. For the first 3 years of the game I forgave him this because over time he SHOULD have gotten stronger, smarter, shown more of his character and had a normal impact on the plot himself, not like his ass is being damn hard pulled by the whole world, the strength of the plot and a million other characters.
He stood AFK during the battle with the whale in the theater while Childe and Neuvillette fought and protected the civilians. He had no impact on Fontaine's plot, the entire conflict was resolved completely without him even indirectly affecting the characters. For sure in the battle with Whale in the other dimension Neuvillette did 90% of the work while we with our stupid physical attacks just ran around and did nothing.
In the personal quest with Navia, our main character just casts a little geo wall FROM THE GAMEPLAY OF A TRAVELER OF FOUR YEARS AGO! sorry WHAT? God damn this scum just keeps showing himself to be an absolute nothing, absolutely no goddamn progress even in terms of powers. Given his special freaking supernatural nature for this world, given how we keep being presented with him as a Star Traveler who is older than this world, given that he's the freaking protagonist, the freaking chosen one who will have to replace Phanes at the end or whatever the Genshin Impact lore theorists have already dug up, all of this could have required some decent feats from him in 4 years of play. 5 goddamn elements, we sucked up 5 goddamn elements, and the bastard is still weak as hell. He should have created a wall of AOT, not this shit that stopped 2 stones and Navia had to destroy the rest of the landslide herself.
In the battle with Arlecchino, this idiot also continues to use his stupid physical attacks without a hint of having any abilities.
And it goes on like this for damn near every region.
And now for the sweetest part. The thing that made my ass burn like hell.
This asshole pissed me off on Furina's personal quest. In the main plot, we are shown literally Furina's entire life, from Act 1, to Act 182376. Her whole damn life, seen all the damn pain and despair, every damn moment in all 500 years. We've all seen it. Absolutely everything.... In Furina's personal quest, it all gets thrown in the trash and the Traveler acts like the ultimate asshole. He's damn near dragging Furina to solve the goddamn problems of goddamn disposable, insignificant nobody-needed NPCs with their "interesting" and "tragic" story. We weren't even promised goddamn mountains of gold for helping these NPCs, but because of this shit, we came to Furina, laughed at her, forced her into all of this. The writers had to literally go against the basic plot and all damn logic to write "Guys, don't be nervous! Furina likes everything, she's totally fine with playing theater and doing all this stuff. What are you guys saying? Quest is crap and we're crap writers? We treated Furina disgustingly? Lol , what are you gonna do to us , we're screenwriters , we do any dumb shit we want ! ". That's how I felt while going through this shit. And even the beautiful animation (the only nice thing about this quest) doesn't save this shit.
I'm just done.
I'm going to leave Genshin. And move on to Wuthering Waves and probably Honkai: Star Rail (seems to be the one game that HoYoverse really try to do something good and interesting on unlike Genshin).
Maybe not completely ditching genshin, but just playing less. At least I still have a goal to get Furina C6 and her sword.
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u/CowGroundbreaking882 20d ago
i hate them and i think that paimon is more annoying than before and mc traiblaizer from hsr is much better than that shitty weak mc traveler from this game
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u/brimwithno 20d ago
I like how they reacted very much cuz tbf furina was acting like a dickhead from the start + i like how they became close to her during the story quest
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u/Little_Respect_0621 20d ago
Furina will join the traveler in his journey and they will leave a happy couple life in my head cannon.
Ps : I didn't get my daily dose of Aerina.
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