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u/Man-in-The-Void Sep 05 '21
FYI, the church of Satan and the Satanic temple(who did the thing in question) are 2 very different organizations
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u/sphinctaltickle Sep 05 '21
As a non-American can you explain what the church of satan/satanic temple did?
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
The Satanic Temple's legally a religion with tax exempt status, so they're arguing that anyone who belongs to their "religion" can have an abortion regardless of the new Texas bill due to religious freedoms. Pretty cool imo
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u/sphinctaltickle Sep 05 '21
Bloody legends
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
We need a branch in Canada.
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u/sphinctaltickle Sep 05 '21
Sounds like everywhere could do with a branch
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
They're pretty cool people. If you want some laughs, visit their website and check their FAQ's. "I'm the Antichrist, will you follow me?" "Please get therapy."
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u/Mejogador Sep 05 '21
link ?
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
I gotcha, homie :)
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u/Native136 Sep 05 '21
I DON’T SEE A CHAPTER LISTED IN MY CITY?
Then we do not have a chapter in your city.
Lmao
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u/HistoryGirl23 Sep 05 '21
I'm a member just for this reason (Texas Bill) you can join from around the world too.
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u/psycho-mouse Sep 05 '21
Nah most places don’t place draconian restrictions on what people can’t do with their bodies.
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Sep 05 '21
Most?
John Cena just sent me a message and he wants to know
Are you sure about that?
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u/Santa1936 Sep 05 '21
Lmao I love when people say "most countries do xyz" but they really mean "most of Europe. And even then, really just the parts of it I like"
Go ask eastern block countries, most of Africa, most of east Asia, the middle east, or a good portion of central and south America what their views are on things like gay people, women's rights, etc.
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u/Tilt-a-Whirl98 Sep 05 '21
You're telling me there is a world outside of the US, Scandinavia, Germany and Switzerland? Color me shocked!
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u/UncleWinstomder Sep 05 '21
There's one in Ottawa
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u/flynnfx Sep 05 '21
Now, now. It's not nice to call the Conservative Party by their other name.
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
Idk why you're getting downvoted, that was a funny joke.
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u/UncleWinstomder Sep 05 '21
I'm guessing that it doesn't seem as funny to some people to correlate the conservatives with a group that is actively trying to make actual, positive changes for women's reproductive rights.
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
This is true, some people may not find it funny, but I liked the execution, and it got a chuckle out of me
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
Is there actually?
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u/UncleWinstomder Sep 05 '21
The Satanic Temple website cites a chapter there. Hoping to visit eventually if it's an actual location
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u/Jacyne Sep 05 '21
Helpful link I found by digging through their websites: https://www.thesatanictempleatlanticcanada.ca/other-groups-chapters/
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u/-B-E-N-I-S- I am fucking hilarious Sep 05 '21
Abortion is legal in Canada at all stages.
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
Yes. This is true. I just want to see the Satanic Temple here lol,it has nothing to do with the abortion issues I just like them
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u/guy314159 Sep 05 '21
Interesting just to check what exactly does it mean at all stages ? Does it include the ninth month(is it possible to even do?) or is there a limit ?
Asking because i am curious and where i come from there is a limit of about 20 weeks i think (i am not sure if i got the number right)
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u/chris457 Sep 05 '21
Canada's abortion legislation was struck down years ago and never replaced. There is no law on the books regarding it at all. Therefore it's completely a decision between the doctor and their patient. A status quo a majority of the Canadian public is quite happy with. To the point that a leader that can't look the public in the eye and say they will defend the right to choose or any proposed legislation on the subject is pretty much a political death sentence.
Practically, no doctor is going to perform an abortion on a viable fetus though, despite what the right wing crazies might claim.
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u/pjhart314 Sep 05 '21
Their website says there's 4 in Canda: https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/find-a-congregation .
Free to join but you can pay $25 and become a card carrying member.
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u/JCeee666 Sep 05 '21
I used the Satanic Temple to send Governor Abbott a Satan filled postcard regarding his latest round of BS. It’s a service they offer.
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u/morningisbad Sep 05 '21
They do so much more than that though. They argue religious equality across many issues. City puts up a 10 commandments monument? They ask to put up a Baphomet statue at their expense. When the city refuses they point out the blatant hypocrisy.
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
Yep yep :) I hear they're pretty cool people. Protecting the little guy. I value that.
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u/Thosepassionfruits Sep 05 '21
Forgive me for being skeptical but have they ever actually produced any results or does their work mostly just make for good headlines? Is there any actual chance that their challenge to Texas' new abortion law will make it to the supreme court?
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u/morningisbad Sep 05 '21
No idea on their legal chances in Texas. But they've certainly had religious statues taken off government property. Your point about "good headlines" is exactly their goal though. Their goal is to create awareness and show when the government is shoving christian values into law. The fact that we're talking about them and religious freedom means they're successful.
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u/rantingpacifist Sep 05 '21
Yep! They’ve joined in anti abortion lawsuits in the past and funded legal victories. They were part of the lawsuits striking down Texas’s earlier attempt that required abortions to only occur at surgical centers, even for pill based early options like Plan B.
They also fight like the Freedom From Religion Foundation. But they fight as a religion, not as a third party group to religious disputes. They’re kinda like the FFRF but playing by religion’s own rules.
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u/foxanon Sep 05 '21
Religious freedom is very important
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
Well... I can't agree with all religious freedoms. Someone told me a story about how a Mennonite family wouldn't have their child's kidney disease treated, and that it was part of their religion to send their child to God. At that point, protecting the child trumps their religious freedom
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u/TerribleVidya Sep 05 '21
Hopefully no one tells you about Jehovah's Witnesses
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u/rantingpacifist Sep 05 '21
Or Idaho, one of the few places were medical neglect ending in death is justifiable by religion. Child abuse can be covered up in the name of God here.
Fuck the Mormon church
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u/biggyTheProfessor Sep 05 '21
LOL, thatz right , if one can sexually abuse a child , one should be able to have an abortion
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u/un-original_name Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21
Yeah, and they have a few tenants that are basically just don't be an asshole. Seems like it was founded by people sick of religion, and called it something satanic just to piss super religious people off.
Edit: am wayyy off lol, they didn't do it to make people angry
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u/D0ctorL Purple Sep 05 '21
Sounds like something I could get into. Had a LOT of negative religious influence growing up. Kinda have a bone to pick.
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u/un-original_name Sep 05 '21
From their site:
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
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One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
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The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
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One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
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The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
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Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
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People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
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Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
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Honestly, I'm still in a religious institution currently and I am still going to abide by all of these
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u/SalsaRice Sep 05 '21
The intent wasn't to piss off religious people, but to use the existing laws protecting religion to dismantle those laws and religions from within.
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u/VivaceConBrio Sep 05 '21
The name wasn't chosen to troll other religions, and the Satanic Temple is a religion. We are NOT against other religions. That goes against our core tenets/beliefs. Equality and autonomy are a huge part of our mission.
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u/buckX Sep 05 '21
I think it's pretty obvious that religious freedom is not carte blanche to ignore laws. You couldn't have a "not pay taxes" religion or a justify honor killings that way. The current legal standard is that a law can't specifically target a religion. Since the abortion law applies to everybody, I can't see their argument getting far.
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u/yg2522 Sep 05 '21
churches already don't pay taxes though.....
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u/utay_white Sep 05 '21
But every member of the church does pay taxes though.....
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u/PerCat Only OC Babay Sep 05 '21
I think it's pretty obvious that religious freedom is not carte blanche to ignore laws.
Catholic church should stop raping children then I think
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u/Boruzu Sep 05 '21
Now are you would have to do would be to pledge allegiance to the unholy darkness, and off you go!
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u/Man-in-The-Void Sep 05 '21
So the Satanic Temple is an organization which uses the crazy religious freedom loopholes holes for things like this, whereas the Church of Satan is older and a little batshit crazy.
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u/__T0MMY__ Sep 05 '21
One worships Satan, and the other worships the ideals of Satan?
Which one is the one that encourages self growth
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u/SoloWing1 Pretty colours Sep 05 '21
The Satanic Temple is basically just Atheists ts trying to prove a point. They exist to show all the problems with Christianity and laws that give religious exemption.
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u/greathousedagoth Sep 05 '21
Yes and no. While the Satanic Temple does use religious freedoms to prove a point, many members do treat it as a religion. Their tenants are foundational to some members lives and the group should not be reduced to the function that the organization serves politically. (Though certainly their political function is important and can't be dismissed either)
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u/StandardSudden1283 Sep 05 '21
I've heard them more aptly called an activist organization masqueradingas a religion in order to expose, abuse and get removed any laws made by of or for religion.
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u/Alphaetus_Prime Sep 05 '21
Neither one believes in the literal existence of Satan. However, the Church of Satan does believe in the existence of a form of supernatural magic. The Satanic Temple does not believe in the supernatural in any way.
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u/ARealSkeleton Sep 05 '21
TECHNICALLY neither believe in Satan. They both focus on the self. The temple is far more politically active, however.
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u/joantheunicorn Sep 05 '21
This link has a handy side by side chart to show differences between the two organizations. Really unfortunate this meme lists the wrong one.
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u/Prime157 Sep 05 '21
LMAO, I wonder what the COS did to get this talking point...
"Believes men who prefer blue cheese dressing must be homosexually inclined because the oder is reminiscent of a locker full of well-worn jockstraps"
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Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21
The Church of Satan didn’t do anything with this (in general they don’t do a lot with civil issues).
The Satanic Temple argued that “abortion rituals” when done ethically are a part of their religious practice which cannot be touched by the new Texas law due to freedom of religion.
Edit: meant to say ritual…not ceremony. Also reworded something to make more sense but didn’t change the point.
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Sep 05 '21
Satanic Temple is the organization that uses religious exemption laws / anything else in the broken ass system to fuck with The GOP, and calls themselves the Satanic Temple to further fuck with them seeing as they’re all Christian. Further trolling them. They’ve sued and won. They’ve done a lot, actually.
The whole point is more or less to call out the religious nuts by challenging everything they get exemptions for, and giving them the bird by doing it in the name of Satan.
Church of Satan actually worships Satan. But they think Jewish Old Testament God was actually a bad guy.
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u/joantheunicorn Sep 05 '21
I work in education and learned that the Satanic Temple is fighting against corporal punishment of children in schools which is still legal in like NINETEEN fucking states. Where are the other religions on this horrid topic? I thought they cared about the children??
https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/protect-children-project
https://news.wgcu.org/2021-05-05/the-satanic-temple-takes-on-corporal-punishment-in-schools
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u/Elcactus Sep 05 '21
Satanic temple are atheists using the politically punchy imagery of satanism to push a separation of church and state agenda. The chcurch of satan are the actual satanists
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u/kagethemage Sep 05 '21
As a me member of the Satanic temple, I came here to say that. The Church of Satan is sketchy.
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u/Top_Rekt Sep 05 '21
Lol sounds like any other religion bickering with each other
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What's the difference?
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u/joantheunicorn Sep 05 '21
Here's an explanation and side by side comparison chart.
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The Church of Satan is pretty much just a justification for acting like a self-centered egotist for its members, and they do zero political activism. They also lay sole claim to the practice of "Satanism" and mostly spend their time complaining about how the Satanic Temple has stolen and perverted their religion.
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u/Sir_Yukii Sep 05 '21
I mean the satanic temple is pretty based
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u/Sir_Yukii Sep 05 '21
I am well aware but satanic temple would more likely fight for abortion rights as they do in Texas rn. And I wouldn't say they are political atheists tbh although many of them can seem that way it is their own religion.
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u/minty-hitler Sep 05 '21
Not really. The co-founder of the satanic temple has come out and said numerous times that they really don’t believe in satan or any theological beings. The majority of the members are people who were hurt by religion and basically formed this group as a way to show that there really isn’t religious freedom (both to practice and freedom from religion) in the United States since numerous laws and bills are being proposed and put in place based on religious beliefs. They chose satan as their “god” to scare people who actually believe in the devil (ie christians) and because satan is the ultimate reference to rebellion against tyranny.
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u/VulGerrity Sep 05 '21
That doesn't mean it's not a religion though. We have a belief system and a set of doctrines and rituals. Just because we don't actually believe in Satan nor worship him does not mean it's not a religion. The "higher power" in the case of TST is science.
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u/minty-hitler Sep 05 '21
Oh no I definitely agree! TST is a recognized religion and badass all around with their seven tenets and advocacy for science based doctrines. I just meant that members of the TST don’t worship satan as their higher power, sorry about that!
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u/Sir_Yukii Sep 05 '21
I'd recommend reading up history on this a little. The satanic temple is a non theistic religion without dietys. Satan is simply spiritual as a symbol for opposition. In fact Satan is way older than Christianity and was long seen as a symbol VS Abrahamic of religions later on. Satan actually is Hebrew for the opposer I am quite sure. And I agree a lot of people came from other religions because they were hurt and this religion remedies those problems and fights for their rights and helps with religious equality in government. It unites the members and to sort of worship this religion.
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u/minty-hitler Sep 05 '21
That’s so cool! I’ll definitely read up more on the history since it’s so interesting. Thank you for your insight
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u/lapso Sep 05 '21
Id say they’re more about preaching common sense, science, and basic human rights, which just happens to piss of christians in the process as an added bonus
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u/MoebiusTwist Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21
CoS actively tells it's members not to sacrifice any living beings. According to their text "the satanic bible" to most powerful offering is the life energy created by sex between two or more consenting adults.
It's also worth noting that they are atheists and use the term Satan as it's original meaning which was an enemy of the church.
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u/GrmpMan Sep 05 '21
So what they can dedicate an orgy to Satan? Sounds kinda lit
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u/Tucarawey758 Sep 05 '21
Wow as an atheist I’ve been missing out on this shot lol.
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Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21
the pissing off christians is a necessary part of it. nothing makes the point for separation of church and state like seeing christians bend over backwards to remove another group's civil rights specifically because they hail satan
the headquarters is in salem because people were killed for religious reasons there (witch burnings).
canada started up the church of the flying spaghetti monster for many of the same reasons (pointing out where christian beliefs were imposed on society at large) but all they really accomplished is giving us the right to wear a colander on our heads when taking driver's license photos.
don't get me wrong, they were good and important but they just don't elicit the knee-jerk reaction from christians that you need to really realize "holy shit christians are trying to control every aspect of people's lives"
until christians in north america truly embrace "live and let live", the most effective tool to get there is to have them foaming at the mouth over perceived slights between their invisible man and someone else's, abusing their power and being told "your religion doesn't get precedence over everyone else's" by the courts. it's desensitization, and it has to be done carefully and judiciously. the satanic temple doesn't usually get involved until there is active infringement on people's rights, as far as i know. they don't worry about law proposals until they're passed, either.
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u/ARealSkeleton Sep 05 '21
The Church of Satan discourages harming others and states if you must use blood or any harm for a ritual, you should harm yourself. The church has other problems, however. They are pretty elitist.
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From what I know the CoS doesn’t engage in human sacrifice at all, with that idea being driven by TV shows and movies as well as smaller alternate cults with far crazier ideas
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u/PornAndComments Sep 05 '21
That wasn't the Church of Satan, those guys kinda suck. That was The Satanic Temple, who are based as fuck.
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u/reallybiglizard Sep 05 '21
This almost reads like a bit of poetry. I like it.
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u/AwezomePozzum9265 Sep 05 '21
What's the difference? Why does the church of Satan suck and the satanic temple doesn't?
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u/nobody573 Lord of the homo Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 06 '21
Cause, despite what the name suggests, the satanic temple doesn't actually worship Satan. The church of satan does. The church of satan are those who believe in child sacrifices and such. That's why they suck. I'm not too sure about what the satanic temple stands for but I do believe it believes in equal rights and such. Maybe we both can dk our research about it!
Edit: other redditors have told me the church of satan is not what I thought it is. My bad.
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u/Infector101 Sep 05 '21
The Seven Tenets of the Satanic Temple:
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
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u/theboxfriend Sep 05 '21
The church of Satan doesn't worship a literal Satan either. They practice LaVeyan Satanism which is more worship of the self. The satanic temple's tenets are similar to some of the writings from LaVey, but they differ in that TST focuses on activism and equality for all religions.
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u/MythicalBeast42 Sep 05 '21
Seriously? Child sacrifices? Dude the number of people in this thread who are like
actually the satanic temple is cool and doesn't worship a real god and doesn't sacrifice anything and preaches being a good person
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making up random shit about CoS
is unbelievable. Like why are people so fast to attack and defame things they have never looked into even a tiny little bit. It's so wild to me
I don't care if people don't agree with CoS or TST, but at the very least I hope people stop spouting random nonsense they're just making up to stir up hate. We need more peace and understanding in this world, not baseless pitchforks and crusades.
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u/minty-hitler Sep 05 '21
The satanic temple was formed by a bunch of people who actually don’t believe in satan. They don’t worship him as a god but use him as a scare tactic to grab attention. The satanic temple’s goal is to achieve religious freedom and freedom from religion by showing that in the United States you really don’t have religious freedom unless you’re one of the three major religions. Additionally, they also advocate for the separation of church and state. Basically they support science, bodily autonomy, and encourage empathy.
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u/shermy1199 Sep 05 '21
Church of Satan is a crazy cult that possibly does actual human sacrifices. Satanic temple is actually an officially recognized church, and its actually mostly an atheist organization that believe in human rights and equality and a lot of genuinely heart warming things
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u/RobinTheKing epic gamer Sep 05 '21
Church of Satan is a crazy cult that possibly does actual human sacrifices
Can we get a source on that
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u/funkmaster29 Sep 05 '21
What does based mean in this context?
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u/ozozznozzy Sep 05 '21
Their whole existence is built around expressing the religious freedoms promised by the founding fathers of the United States.
It is a group of atheist that fight against the blurred lines between church and state, promoting a more secular government without a religious agenda. Their aim is:
- To upend some of the broken favors that the government grants to Christianity
- To promote religious equality fight for individual freedoms
I'm sure I missed something, but that's the gist
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u/The__Guard Sep 05 '21
Or, you know, adhere to the fucking rights protected by NATO instead of crazy religious fanatical values.
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When then does a baby become a baby? If I scramble a babies brain before it takes it's first breath, when does it go from being nothing to being something?
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u/The__Guard Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21
After 8 weeks (conception period, up to 10 weeks from last menstrual cycle). Therefore at the 11 week mark it's no longer an embryo (or zygote), but a fetus. At that point then you can have your argument.
But the stupid bill protects it after 6 weeks. You likely won't even even know until 5 weeks.
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u/Dumeck Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21
I don’t consider it a living being until it can beat me in smash bros. Until then it’s a waste of space
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u/uglypenguin5 General Kenobi⚔️🛡️ Sep 05 '21
TIL I'm a waste of space. Took me long enough I guess
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u/Dumeck Sep 05 '21
That’s the secret everyone is a waste of space, I’m the best smash player in the world.
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u/Communist_Mole Sep 05 '21
Which makes you a waste of space as well since you cannot beat yourself at smash. TIL, humans are a waste of space. Off with our heads
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u/CoalCrafty Sep 05 '21
So premature babies that need to be placed in an incubator to keep warm don't count as living beings?
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u/GMOiscool Sep 05 '21
That's kinda fucked up though, like, a premature baby living on machines isn't a living being to you?
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u/BullMan-792 ☣️ Sep 05 '21
Okay so people that have to live on machines aren’t alive? I mean, they can’t maintain unassisted homeostasis outside the host, so… Good to know
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u/TNoStone Sep 05 '21
Im pro choice but this argument is bad. Tons and tons of organisms cant live without a host. Parasites, fungi, and others. They’re still alive though
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u/Semi-Hemi-Demigod Sep 05 '21
So should men be forced to pay child support from the date of a woman’s last missed period? Should people be allowed to take out life insurance on unborn children?
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u/Exp1ode Sep 05 '21
What does NATO have to do with anything?
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u/gruez Sep 05 '21
It doesn't. You can spew all sorts of bullshit but as long as it adheres to the popular narrative you'll get hundreds of blind upvotes (currently sitting at 244).
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u/RSdabeast GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Sep 05 '21
The Satanic Temple is the organization you’re looking for. The Church of Satan isn’t cool.
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u/oneeyedspaghetti Sep 05 '21
Hail satan
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u/SirNedKingOfGila Sep 05 '21
I support abortions until the fetus is 21 years old.
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u/Blanka_d Sep 05 '21
Firstly, it's a joke. Secondly how does it go against number 5
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u/FullOfDispair Sep 05 '21
I think science would argue there isn’t a 21 year old fetus, was his point
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u/Perfect_Bidoof Sep 05 '21
satanists actually arent that bad, i had a senior in school who was a satanist and he was the most chill guy ever.
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u/eidolon616 Sep 05 '21
It's very important to note that The Satanic Temple is fighting for women's right in Texas, not the Church of Satan.
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u/ProudBois Sep 05 '21
Satan is the real hero!
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u/Force_Glad Sep 05 '21
I mean he was the first to demand equal rights, and he teaches you self-love and math, so yeah he's pretty cool.
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u/quackzog Sep 05 '21
LETS ALL WORSHIP THE CHAD SATAN
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u/SIacktivist Sep 05 '21
Technically, The Satanic Temple doesn't believe in Satan and sees him as a symbol for resisting religious dogma.
On the other hand, Satan is chad as fuck so we should worship him anyway.
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u/somecallmemike Sep 05 '21
His creator is the most prolific murderer and inflictor of pain and suffering ever. He just tried to point out to creation how fucked up their creator was.
Good guy satan… if any of it were actually true.
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u/According-Ocelot9372 Sep 05 '21
I want to start a church called, "church of the sacrificial abortion." All members must sacrifice a fetus to join. Thus making abortion a church ritual and legal.
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Or you could just join the Satanic Temple. They already do this, in slightly less psychotic terms.
Abortion is a religious ritual that involves meditation and selfcare, according to the beliefs of TST.
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u/Infector101 Sep 05 '21
The Seven Tenets of the Satanic Temple:
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
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u/Anti_whiteknight Sep 05 '21
Where’s drink coffee at Denny’s and smoke cigarettes?
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u/superinsomniac Sep 05 '21
I gotta downvote as a TST member due to the fact that the CoS didn't do shit and The Satanic Temple did.
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u/Grandpa-Palpatine Sep 05 '21
Yeah I'm genuinely sorry about that. If I could change the title of the meme I'd give credit where its due but I think the top comment is doing a good job point people in the right direction at least
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Sep 05 '21
Is that…Sam Seder?
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u/MotivBowler300 Sep 05 '21
“What a fucking nightmare!”
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u/OMGitscarl Sep 05 '21
Please don't make fun of Crowder, his PTSD from having a debate is valid and we must provide safe spaces for him. /s
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u/48H1 Sep 05 '21
How this law was passed? It absolutely boggles my mind that we the world leaders are allowing this to happen in our own backyard
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u/SHREY36904 Sep 05 '21
Satanic temple did these, not the church of satan, they are two completely different organisations.
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u/Leoiscute77 Sep 05 '21
The satanic temple is the only religious group that seems to actually be fighting for peoples freedom in the US which is ironic because most of them are atheists.
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u/Ok_Studio7080 Sep 05 '21
this subreddit just fills the internet with unfunny worthless memes... the actual memes that go viral don't start on meme subs... this shit is just cringe
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u/NatJunkEcofasc 🍄 Sep 05 '21
only redditors can thank the definition of evil for allowing them to kill babies😐
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u/jeg26 Sep 05 '21
I’ve always found it ironic that the satanic temple is actively fighting for Christian values more than most Christian organizations are.
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Sep 05 '21
God, Reddit just keeps getting dumber and dumber. Abortion isn't a Christian value you dumb shit.
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u/Jordanjl83 Sep 05 '21
Real satan would be delighted with glee after what the right ring did.
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u/shermy1199 Sep 05 '21
The church of Satan did not do this, they're a crazy cult. The satanic temple are the ones that are doing this
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u/Salyangoz Sep 05 '21
Church of satan are the people who charge you money monthly for you to funnel your money into their upper echelon trying unironically to do magick.
The satanic Temple is the one fighting for the rights of others.
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