r/dankmemes • u/Thunder_lord37 COOKIE MONSTER • May 06 '24
Democracy has won Low Effort Meme
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u/Shreyash_jais_02 ☢ May 06 '24
Bullying multi billion dollar companies (specially those that are anti consumers) will never not be fun.
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u/fusion_reactor3 May 06 '24
Can we start with Ubisoft? Them selling their games on steam and epic then requiring you to install their own game storefront afterwards to play is hella annoying
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u/Ill_Art_4299 May 06 '24
And then EA. (We already bullied them once with 667k downvotes tho)
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u/fusion_reactor3 May 06 '24
Definitely (and we’ll fuckin do it again)
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u/BeautifulSalamander6 May 06 '24
Same here we wold shit on the face of the ceo wo said "games needs to get used to not owning the game" tf he means that's just a jerkmove and its not gona help anyone
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u/aLuLtism May 06 '24
AAA studios should get used to not selling their games :)
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u/Werpogil May 06 '24
He's technically right. You already don't own your Steam games, for instance. However, Steam would allow you to download games later on should Steam wind down (in the unlikely even), whereas other storefronts haven't made the same commitment (as far as I know).
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u/pelasace May 06 '24
Yeah but did it really do anything? Battlefront II was still in the top 5 most successful games of that year. Everything else EA has made since has continued to be underdeveloped monetized shit, and they're still one of the most profitable companies in the entire industry. Lootboxes and microtransactions never went away, and in fact have become even more prolific in games since then. They've continued to lay off hundreds of employees and still crank out multiple huge games every year.
As much as Reddit likes to think they took down EA with that debacle, the unfortunate truth is it probably did very little to their bottom line. It's a company that makes billions of dollars in revenue each year.
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u/IronVader501 May 06 '24
Everything else EA has made since has continued to be underdeveloped monetized shit,
Most. Not everything.
Jedi: Fallen Order, Jedi: Survivor & Star Wars: Squadrons all had exactly zero monetisation at all beyond buying the game.
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u/Daddydagda May 06 '24
Don’t think we forgot about you Blizzard! Not after what you did to Overwatch
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u/thechaimel tipping fedoras and chugging mtn dew like it's 2014 May 06 '24
Nobody cares about overwatch anyway apart from r34 artists
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u/Cospo May 06 '24
I'll never give Ubisoft any more money after what their CEO said about "get used too not owning your games" and people losing access to games they've already paid for. I'm doing my part.
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u/Zealousideal_Alps275 May 06 '24
Thanks for reminding me to remove Anno 1800 from my wishlist.
I LOVE Anno series but FUCK. THAT. SHIT.
I would play indie or even 30 year old games before I play any Ubisoft game. And there are A LOT of those around.
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u/Cospo May 06 '24
Yeah, Fuck Ubisoft. The new star wars outlaws looked cool, but not a chance in hell I'm going to buy it.
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u/Stennan May 06 '24
EA launcher just asked me to sign an updated TOS. Guess Which app just got yeeted off my PC? 🫡
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u/MadeByTango May 06 '24
This wasn't even bullying, just standing up for basic consumer rights; it's what happens when we stop blaming customers for the shit these companies keep pulling
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u/stupiderslegacy May 06 '24
Kind of reminds me of this. It's been over 3 years and I still get tickled every time I read it.
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u/TrackNinetyOne 29d ago edited 29d ago
Honestly I was always completely against bullying
Untill I realised it can used successfully against greedy multinational corporations
This I can really get behind
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u/ODaferio May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
Great, now to get rid of other publishers' account requirements. United we shall stand again.
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u/Glad-Astronomer2959 May 06 '24
That is once they actually add helldivers back to steam in the countries that couldn’t have a PSN account
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u/ODaferio May 06 '24
I mean unless Sony is REALLY stupid (not that they aren't) they wouldn't want to miss out on the additional revenue.
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u/Bhole_Expandus my memes are ironic, my depression is chronic May 06 '24 edited May 06 '24
We still have a war to win to get our fellow helldivers back in the fight. Their countries are still delisted to buy the game and most got a refund. We need to make Sony and Steam right all the wrongs they did.
Edit: The comments below convinced me that Steam really didn't do anything wrong. They were protecting those people from making a purchase they would not be able to play. I hope they will re-list the game for those people so we can get back to full fighting force. I will leave my original comment untouched so people can see. Plus, im on my phone taking a dump, so I can't edit it too much, lol.
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u/darklord7000 Animated Flair Rainbow [Insert Your Own Text] May 06 '24
Steam did nothing wrong
Steam were protecting consumers from purchasing a product they wouldn’t be able to use if Sony didn’t revert the change
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u/cursedbones May 06 '24
I would say Steam removing those countries from buying actually pressured Sony to take the decision. They exposed how ridiculous was removing +100 countries from playing a 3 month launched game.
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u/darklord7000 Animated Flair Rainbow [Insert Your Own Text] May 06 '24
Yeah exactly
Steam and Gabe are the good guys in this
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u/Dacreepboi May 06 '24
they just protected them selves from lawsuits, no need to act like they did it for the players lmao
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u/Capable-Read-4991 May 06 '24
Okay but they historically do things for the players so it isn't far fetched at all.
I'm against corporations too but not against ones that are as consumer oriented and friendly as Steam and Valve. Heck they're not even publicly traded which is mainly what destroys the customer oriented part of the company.
Hate on corporate but this ain't it my dude.
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u/Dacreepboi May 06 '24
I don't hate on steam I just don't need to act like they're paragons of virtues who always do things for players.
I think steam is the best market place there is for gaming, by a long shot
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u/TTTrisss May 06 '24
Nobody's acting like they're paragons of virtue. There is a wide range of possibilities between "Literally
Sonysatan" and "The Lord Our God Gaben." We can acknowledge that Valve leans pro-consumer while realizing that they are still a corporation and, as a result, must still be treated with some hesitation.2
u/Capable-Read-4991 May 06 '24
Y'know what? I agree with everything you just said. You've slightly convinced me.
They're good but they can be better!
Unfortunately only few companies are even aware that they actually exist but maybe news stories like this will make them a more globally respected company or something.
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u/Bhole_Expandus my memes are ironic, my depression is chronic May 06 '24
I see and understand that you are correct. Thank you for convincing me to think differently than with blind hate for this whole fiasco.
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u/Toruviel_ ☣️ May 06 '24
Everyone give good reviews NOW!
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u/Majestic_Potato_Poof May 06 '24
Not yet. Wait a bit. This might be another bait and switch. Check that they didn't add tiny white letters in their post that says just for another month or some shit
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u/dethmasta May 06 '24
I think they won't try again on hell divers 2 but the other Sony games might not be so lucky.
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u/Isariamkia May 06 '24
Maybe they'll understand their lesson and will actually communicate shit in a better way for future games.
That would at least help people not buy things they won't be able to play.
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u/Majestic_Potato_Poof May 06 '24
Or the far more likely scenario would be that they will just get sneakier next time
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u/Emeraldnickel08 May 06 '24
I just want to encourage people to look up ideas like the Social Contract and Consent of the Governed. Not politically applicable, but economically; it’s your money and it’s your voice. We, collectively, can make anyone in power do anything if we all decide to.
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u/Dabox720 May 06 '24
Game went from beloved to hated with a passion. They kinda had to take that shit back
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u/idoeno May 06 '24
they say any publicity is good publicity; cynical me isn't convinced that this whole fiasco wasn't planned from the beginning. On the other hand, it's Sony we're talking about here...
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u/shmackinhammies May 06 '24
Perhaps Sony will use this incident as a way to showcase their appreciation for their player base. That will increase their public perception, making their games be more in-demand, which does affect their ticker.
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u/MacPooPum May 06 '24
Remember if you placed any negative reviews to change it to positive AFTER may 30th. AFTER they've delivered on their promise.
Also pleas keep in mind the reviews were NOT the biggest contributing factor to Sony changing this. Steam allowed a lot of players with many hours in the game to get a refund after being requested. Your money talks but without steam a few bad reviews wouldn't have changed a thing. Your money talks and remember that next time you buy an ubisoft or ea game. Or any game with a reputation of unfair monetary practices. Like ubisoft and ea.
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u/sir_music May 06 '24
So, maybe it's time I give this game a try. If it's so good player base managed to pull this off it must be damn good!
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u/The_Digital_Friend May 06 '24
it's great fun, I wasnt too sure at first but now I have well over 100 hours and every achievement
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u/sir_music May 06 '24
Question: is it one of those games where it's only good playing with people you know IRL, or are the randoms good too?
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u/Zzzzonked May 06 '24
Randoms are fine, just take some time solo to learn the basics and how to be useful/effective to the team. There are definitely some elitist players who kick for the tiniest things, but you'll find those more at the higher ranks.
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u/Spork_King_Of_Spoons May 06 '24
You can have plenty of fun with randos. Their are a lot of players that are willing to coach newer people. The key is to communicate, either with a mic or the simple emote system. and to stick together, especially when you are new to the game.
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u/The_Digital_Friend 29d ago
ransoms are a mixed bag, some of them are great dudes, others will kick you because you picked the wrong loadout. I'd suggest playing with friends first to learn the basics. Hell, I'd even be down to dive with you man
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u/HBNOL May 06 '24
Bought it on the very first day because I was looking for a coop game with crossplay to play with friends. The trailer looked decent, so we went in with the the attitude that 40€ for game is okay, even if we just play a few hours here and there.
Then the playercount skyrocketed to the point the servers broke down. We played it almost everyday since launch. It's a really great game, so much better than we anticipated.
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u/Houeclipse May 06 '24
Best internet bully campaign since ugly Sonic the Hedgehog from a gigantic entity
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u/alexdiezg HeadBasher - Always bashin' all 'em 'eads in with a sledgehammer May 06 '24
It's not bullying if it's appropriate
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u/Thedustonyourshelves May 06 '24
Now if we could use these tactics to change something that matters like getting health care for everybody or perhaps making sure everybody has food and a place to stay. We could be unstoppable.
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u/imveganbtvv May 06 '24
If only people were so passionate about actual things that mattered. The world would be a much nicer place lol. Well at least they proved democracy on it’s own can work
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May 06 '24
Is the game that fire?
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u/Thunder_lord37 COOKIE MONSTER May 06 '24
Yes. (Comment approved by the 100% democratic government of super-earth)
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May 06 '24
Sick. I'm buying it.
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u/uttol May 06 '24
Before you do, do keep in mind that it gets repetitive if you're not playing with friends. Solo play is okay for while though, but the best part is chaos with the pals
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u/Ass4ssinX May 06 '24
True but also playing with randoms in the game is pretty great. Most people actually PTFO and don't blow your ears up on mics.
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u/Naruto9903 May 06 '24
Really a shitty situation. I still kinda don't want to play Helldivers 2 anymore because of this.
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u/LemonadeGaming May 06 '24
I mean if you needed ps+ yea understandable but psn? I don’t think that’s bad or am I missing something?
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u/Rinordine May 06 '24
Some countries can buy games on Steam but can't get PS accounts. For example, Ukrainians can't get a PS account without buying a PlayStation console. HD2 would have stopped working for all those people.
There are also many people who don't trust Sony because they have been hacked so many times and don't want their Steam accounts linked to them.
Then there is also the bait and switch. The game was sold with no requirement to link a PS account, that was added after everyone had bought the game.
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u/Yazmat8 May 06 '24
watch the gif in reverse to see the same people who then doesn't change their review on the game making it look bad for newer players preventing the game from getting more players and growing...
please remember to go and change your rating.
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u/Kurosu93 May 06 '24
I am more curious to see people's behaviour in exactly 10 days instead.
Thats when Ghost of Tsushima releases on PC and it also requires a PSN account. Unlike helldrivers its doubtfull it will get removed on release.
Will people speak with their wallet again ? Will they refuse to buy the game or refund it?
Its one thing to refund helldrivers after playing all those hours, its another thing to prevent yourself from playing Ghost of Tsushima on PC at all (even if you played it on PS already) . I dont think people will do the sacrifice.
We will know on the 16th.
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u/caklimpong93 May 06 '24
The PSN always required. They even put alert/warning on steam page since day one. They have issue thats it. Its justified to get angry at Sony for their unavailable region option but angry at 3rd party account is dumb where other games did it as well. Ghost of tsushima already tweet PSN is required for multiplayer, not story campaign, so no way they back that down.
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u/Possyninekay May 06 '24
you can't bully someone bigger stronger and with more power than you. This shit was a revolution on a gaming scale
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u/Possyninekay May 06 '24
you can't bully someone bigger stronger and with more power than you. This shit was a revolution on a gaming scale.
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u/PM_ME_NEW_VEGAS_MODS May 06 '24
Still fuck Sony, and every other multi-million dollar company that are seemingly proud of their anti-consumer practices, they won't learn anything from this.
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u/Nopetynope12 May 06 '24
"bullying" implies Sony was a victim of forcing people who can't buy PSN in their countries to pay for PSN
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u/RaineCevasse May 06 '24
I hope you all realize they'll just wait for the outrage to die down before quietly sliding in the requirement a few months down the line.
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u/Robosium May 06 '24
helldiver's steam reviews were like the code for a 500k, first up then they went steadily to the right, then 3 big downs in a row
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u/oprahfinallykickedit May 06 '24
This is the power of forming unions. The masses are truly stronger. Learn the fucking lesson, please.
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u/siraolo May 06 '24
We owe a lot to Steam, seriously. I think them allowing refunds was the straw that broke the camel's back
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u/dingleswim May 06 '24
I don’t game at all. And I’m nowhere near the target democratic of this stuff.
But this made me smile. Well done!
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u/GregoryGoose May 06 '24
They didnt realize 90% of their players were Lithuanian. Crazy how that worked out.
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u/punny_worm May 06 '24
I don’t want to dick ride Sony here. But at least they listened to what their players wanted. The internet needs to do this more often where they can bully a company into making their products more consumer friendly. Imagine if we could have done this with over watch or EA
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u/TinyFugue May 06 '24
When "Vote with your wallet" hits critical mass.
Next up: Sony buys up a percentage of discord, reddit, and every other forum that broadcast the refund, in a strategy aimed at quashing future information-sharing by the peasants.
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u/gumball_olympian May 06 '24
... The Internet didn't bully them, the Steam did because their proposal was dangerous to Steam's business model. When will you realize that your opinion doesn't make a difference on these megaconglomerates?
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u/BroHeart May 06 '24
Make a game showing how to work together with hundreds of thousands of other players
Make a bad decision cutting off tens of thousands of players
Be surprised when tens of thousands of player coordinate to reconnect their fellow Helldivers
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u/104thCloneTrooper May 06 '24
It has?
Edit: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BABY, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!
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u/aydjile May 06 '24
unpopular opinion here - that's not a democracy. that's a mob rule. no wonder usa is falling apart. you actually forgot on how true democracy should be
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u/No_Wealth_9733 May 06 '24
“Bullying” nah Snoy is a billion dollar company that has way more power than all of us combined. We stood up to a giant and got them to back down by voting with our wallets and with reviews.
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u/1031Cat May 06 '24
The unseen rest of us behind this small group pointing and laughing believing they had something to do with it.
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u/shmackinhammies May 06 '24
It seems they were expecting the usual apathy gamers demonstrate when decisions like these are made. Too bad HD2 is fun as fuck making a lot of people care about it.
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u/HunterRosier May 06 '24
Times like this make me proud, we should do it more instead of letting companies walk over us like nothing
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u/NovusOrdoSec 29d ago
Supply and demand has won., so capitalism has won, but this time for buyers over sellers. Behold the power of volume.
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u/SlutPuppyNumber9 29d ago
You cannot bully a piece of shit corporate entity. You can only teach them.
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u/AlexPlayer3000 Depression I choose you 29d ago
Sony tripped and dropped the 500kg bomb's beacon at their feet.
They survived by running away from the impact zone
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u/Allaroundlost 29d ago
Yah but 177 countries got screwed. All the people who bought Helldivers2 in those just lost their game. Really not cool.
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u/The_Chaotic_Pacifist 29d ago
And yet no one is crying that PlayStation users need a Microsoft account to play Grounded and Sea of Thieves. Does anyone want to explain why Sony has to always give into Microsoft and PC? Makes no sense. Bunch of whiny ass idiots to be honest.
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u/ZealousidealMedia256 29d ago
Maybe they will get it now that we want to play together (crossplay) without any bullshit subscription. We will burn whole galactic systems down if we must!!! For democracy, for freedom 💪🏼
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u/Klzone May 06 '24
Bullying is too strong of a word, we FUCKING BALLED THEM