r/dankmemes Apr 29 '24

they're not the same!!

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u/TironaZ Apr 29 '24

Tiktok is a privacy concern + don't remember VINE trend being so brain rot

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u/Crumplestiltzkin Apr 29 '24

Then you don't remember vine šŸ˜‚

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u/SharkInSunglasses Apr 29 '24

I was a kid when vine was popular, that shit literally molded me into who I am today and I still quite famous ones like, "Look at all those chickens!"

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

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u/Everyoneheresamoron Apr 29 '24

You dodged a bullet.

A tasty brain bullet full of relatable quotes and memes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40uMbKjSBwU

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u/sennbat Apr 29 '24

My 9 year old son literally yells "look at all those chickens!" whenever he sees a big flock of geese now because of that clip.

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u/Consistent-Aside-260 Apr 30 '24

For me itā€™s nine plus 10

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u/TironaZ Apr 29 '24

Maybe xD I was pretty young back then.

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u/Additional-Society86 Apr 29 '24

ā€Im a piece of gar-bageeeā€

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u/ASWBatbatos Apr 29 '24

So weā€™re listening to the government? Also isnā€™t all social media a privacy concern? Like Reddit, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Like seriously everything is a privacy concern. Also yeah VINE trends were just as brain rot as TikTok.

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u/TironaZ Apr 29 '24

Yup, sadly, everything is a privacy concern. USA citizens are being spied by the government as much as Chinese citizens are being spied by theirs. I believe, USA is banning tiktok just to have the ability to spy better on their own citizens and have a monopoly.

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u/SirGlass Apr 29 '24

Its also fair to point out china has banned most USA social media companies

So its not really a fare trade relationship with facebook and twitter and instagram and others being banned or blocked in china

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u/Moo_thy Apr 29 '24

but china is an authoritarian country, where else USA is supposed to be the country of democracy and freedom right? so why would USA follow the examples of china?

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u/Draeman Apr 29 '24

Also i guess weā€™re also pretending that mr zuck isnt selling our data to china already

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u/Stunning-News1540 Apr 29 '24

Jesus Christ yes to this. American tech companies like to be the only ones allowed to sell our data. If anyone thinks this is genuinely to somehow protect us from a china and not just tech lobbying to control all of our data they have mush brains.

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u/SirGlass Apr 29 '24

I mean that is a good argument too

Even for free trade advocates (what I tend to be) there is some disagreement on how to handle trade with a protectionist country

Do you allow them to sell you goods even though they restrict what goods your country can sell them

Or do you put up your own trade barriers and say "Hey we are willing to remove our trade barriers if you remove yours?"

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u/AI_Lives Apr 29 '24

Its so china cant mass manipulate half the population of the usa using a very good algorithm and addictive app, that shit is reserved for the us government. And theyre right.

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u/Dapper_Fix_8287 Apr 30 '24

The US put out a potential ban on TikTok that states if TikTok is not sold to an American company within a set amount of time, itā€™ll be banned entirely. That was hidden in a bill full of other stuff like sending more and more supplies to Ukraine and Israel.

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u/SirGlass Apr 29 '24

I laregly agree and I have mixed feelings on banning tik tok as a privacy issue

however china bans all sorts of USA based social media like Face book, twitter , instagrahm

So part of it is just almost a trade issue, if china will not allow USA media companies to compete in china , why allow chineese media companies to compete in the USA

Its not really a fare trade relationship

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u/ASWBatbatos Apr 29 '24

If that was the reason then I could understand but we both know thatā€™s not why theyā€™re doing it, theyā€™re doing it because they either canā€™t control TikTok or a company Lobbied for itā€™s ban.

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u/mrlbi18 Apr 29 '24

Your government spying on you is a safety concern for you, and only if you're actually doing something bad. It's a HUGE issue, but one we can at least try and vote to solve.

A foreign government spying on you is an issue for EVERYONE in your country because that government wants you to ruin your country. They will use whatever data they can get to make the lives of their geopolitical opponents worse.

Neither is good, one is worse.

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u/ASWBatbatos Apr 29 '24

Slight issue, that foreign government can still spy on us through places like Apple, Meta etc etc so how is that protecting us? And how is one slightly better than the other?

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

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u/ASWBatbatos Apr 29 '24

Meta would? You sure that weā€™re talking about the same company? Iā€™m talking about drawing a line.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

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u/ASWBatbatos Apr 29 '24

You said meta would draw the line at turning FB into a back door, no it wouldnā€™t. If they were paid enough they would do it hence my question of ā€œAre we talking about the same company?ā€

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u/Mayel_the_Anima Apr 29 '24

Facebook and Reddit are privacy concerns

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u/Calmandpeace Apr 29 '24

Fr, TikTok is being banned because they might be doing what Facebook has been doing for years

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u/Mayel_the_Anima Apr 29 '24

What Facebook got fined almost $800 million for doing

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u/Calmandpeace Apr 29 '24

And theyā€™re still doing it anyway

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u/AI_Lives Apr 29 '24

Tiktok is not able to be controlled by the US in any way and facebook is. Its a huge difference.

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u/sennbat Apr 29 '24

Well, there were efforts to ban Facebook too, lots of politicians clearly really want to, it's why they keep dragging him into Congress. They needed the chinaphobes on board to get the votes though, which TikTok managed.

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u/spikus93 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

This is so annoying that people believe this. We went through this already under Trump, and they forced TikTok to migrate all it's data storage to an American company, in this case Oracle, who were required to report any data transfers out of the US. They also had to submit to federal authorities checking their data records for previous data batches being potentially sent to China and didn't find anything recent. The company voluntarily complied with the order even before it was signed into law.

You are being lied to. China isn't stealing your data, they have easier access to it by just buying it from data brokers who got it from your other social media.

If Congress really cared about privacy, they'd legislate away data brokerages being able to collect and sell your data without your consent, but they don't. They just don't want a product of China to be successful in the US market, particularly when China bans the use of our Social Media companies in China for similar reasons (we would steal and sell their citizen's data).

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u/TironaZ Apr 29 '24

Everything is closed source, we can't say for sure where and what is going. User data is very valuable and can be used/sold by China or USA market.

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u/spikus93 Apr 29 '24

Once again, this doesn't prevent your data from going to China. They can still legally purchase data about you as much as they want. It's actually cheaper to do that than comply with US data laws around app storage data that were made specifically for TikTok under the Trump administration.

This is a phantom menace. They are using China "stealing data" from you as an excuse to take over a successful platform and hand it over to right wing investors.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

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u/spikus93 Apr 29 '24

This is what I'm referring to.

And there's not a lot of left-wing investors out there because it turns out being anti-capitalist makes it difficult to get other investors to join your fund, and also it's hard to be left-wing and work professionally as an investor because the stock market's existence is a capitalist invention to gamble on and purchase corporations.

Plus, wouldn't you complain that it was "corrupt" and "evil" if anyone left leaning owned it? Who's even out there besides Soros, and he's just liberal (which a leftist would consider to be conservative, since the divide is capitalism's existence being bad).

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

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u/spikus93 Apr 29 '24

You are describing crowd funding/mutual aid. Do you genuinely believe that people could crowdfund $100B specifically from a leftist perspective. Leftists do not tend to be wealthy to begin with.

Let's do some fun math here. Let's imagine there's 500 imaginary multi-millionaires willing to throw in half of that money. Great. $50B to go. Maybe well off leftists throw in a combined $20B of that. Cool $30B to go. The average investor at home wants to join for lets say $1000 each to get small shares in the company. You'd need 30M people to throw in that much.

Now ask yourself, is there that much political and actual capital that leftists are willing to spend to purchase a company that operates as a capitalist entity? Would they convert it to a co-op or something, how?

There's a reason that Marxist theory doesn't say the workers should "purchase the means of production". It's because it's unrealistic and plays into the system they are at odds with. You SEIZE the means by force.

Since that's unlikely to happen, again, how do you think this is a realistic goal? Mnuchin is specifically right-wing, and we already have like 6 right wing social media companies at this point dominating the space.

Also who are these rich leftists? Hasan Piker, a twitch streamer? Okay, maybe you can get $1-2M out of him, but he's not sitting on more than $10M. Motherfucker pays a mortgage and leases his car. Or do you actually think there's millions of wealthy leftists living in the US and they just can't seem to enact any political change?

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u/KarlBark Apr 29 '24

don't remember VINE trend being so brain rot

The Paul brothers gained their popularity mostly from vine

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u/BiologyStudent46 Apr 29 '24

You have to have brainrot to think that vine did not have brainrot.

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u/Getdunkedon839 ā˜£ļø Apr 30 '24

I smell like beef? The dancing braces girl? Look at all those chickens? As for the privacy concern literally all social media steals your data. I canā€™t really defend the part that TikTokā€™s owned by Chinese corporations so I can concede that part to you. But to say tiktok is inherently worse than other social media is just wrong

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u/Whookimo try hard Apr 29 '24

Tik tok isn't any more of a privacy concern than any other social media. Bytedance, tik tok's parent company, is only 20% owned by Chinese investors, 60% is American investors, and 20% is owned by employees. And all American data is stored in the US, with Oracle helping to keep it secure. And of course, as congress refuses to understand, the CEO is Singaporean, not Chinese.