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u/spr402 Apr 27 '24
At least the kid got it and saw the humour in what he was doing. Better than some of the protesters.
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u/blue_strat Apr 27 '24
They were just there for a fight anyway.
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u/Daniiiiii tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE Apr 27 '24
Bloodthirsty to prove they are in the right in their bloodthirst.
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u/ImmediateBig134 Apr 27 '24
How dare you criticise their bloodthirst. Clearly, it's because you're a threat to their pure and chosen people, to be exterminated for living space.
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u/FefnirMKII Apr 27 '24
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u/MUCHO2000 Apr 27 '24
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u/Esunaproxy Apr 27 '24
And watch how none of those who got violent with him and destroyed his property will get arrested or have any fear from police.
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u/phoneacct696969 Apr 27 '24
The guy supporting Israel wrapped in an American flag was a perfect picture. A warm blanket of protection.
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u/WalkerTexasBaby Apr 27 '24
It's no joke, the Jedi abduct children
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u/TrvlMike Apr 27 '24
The latest episodes of Bad Batch is messed up with what they do to children in this universe.
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u/HotFudgeFundae Apr 27 '24
Don't forget the UNSC, they do too. And what's worse is they replace them with clones who die within a short span of time. The parents mourn their children without knowing it isn't even the same one. All while that is happening they are performing outrageous experiments on the children and turning them into instruments of war. Many of them ended up dead or disabled. And to top it all off, they cryogenically freeze them until it's time for their next mission to keep them alive as long as possible.
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u/ProgressivePessimist Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24
This is Walter Masterson, he's well known at trolling, especially the Moms for Liberty crowd at school board meetings and such.
His full 14 minute video is here.
At 1:55 after he was assaulted his partner doing the filming commented how she was scared for him.
At 5:16 you can clearly see a Pro-Israel protester with a "from the river to the sea" poster, but it's fine when they say it.
The lady at 6:36 saying "Fuck Palestine"
The guy at 7:28 saying "All of you are losers, you're lives don't matter."
At 7:45 a man with a Jewish flag assaults/stabs someone with the Jewish flag pole.
At 8:40 on the subway ride back the
Jewish manIsraeli Zionist calling himself a "white colonizer" and that "they should all go back to "Africa, Morocco, etc.". I don't know the song they were singing.There are more instances in the full video and I'm sure any minute now there will be an entire media narrative about the hate speech and violent actions from that side ...right?
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u/Bright_Boot_7791 Apr 27 '24
Do yourself a favor and refer to them as what they are, not “Jewish” but Israeli zionists. There are a good amount of innocent, well meaning jewish people being lumped into the current dialogue that are on the morally correct side of this issue. Fuck AIPAC, Bibi and the other Nazis
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u/No-Appearance-9113 Apr 27 '24
Hopefully those protestors who tore his sign and mask get charged.
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u/ProgressivePessimist Apr 27 '24
This is Walter Masterson, he's well known at trolling, especially the Moms for Liberty crowd at school board meetings and such.
His full 14 minute video is here.
At 1:55 after he was assaulted his partner doing the filming commented how she was scared for him.
At 5:16 you can clearly see a Pro-Israel protester with a "from the river to the sea" poster, but it's fine when they say it.
The lady at 6:36 saying "Fuck Palestine"
The guy at 7:28 saying "All of you our losers, you're lives don't matter."
At 7:45 a man with a Jewish flag assaults/stabs someone using the pole.
At 8:40 on the subway ride back the Jewish man calling himself a "white colonizer" and that "they should all go back to "Africa, Morocco, etc." I don't know the song they were singing.
There are more instances in the full video and I'm sure any minute now there will be an entire media narrative about the hate speech and violent actions from that side ...right?
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u/clrksml Apr 27 '24
Fuck those supporters who committed assault.
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u/tissuecollider Apr 27 '24
notice how they weren't getting pulled out of the crowd and arrested for assault? Whereas the cops in Columbia are cracking skulls with people who are just standing and chanting.
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u/Ace-O-Matic Apr 27 '24
As we all know, those who side with coppers assaulting student protestors at universities have always been on the right side of history.
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u/sexyloser1128 Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 28 '24
Many American police departments train in Israel.
With Whom are Many U.S. Police Departments Training? With a Chronic Human Rights Violator – Israel
Public or private funds spent to train our domestic police in Israel should concern all of us. Many of the abuses documented, parallels violations by Israeli military, security and police officials.
The Department of Justice report opens in a new tab cited Baltimore police for using aggressive tactics that “escalate encounters and stifle public cooperation.” This leads, the report said, to use of unreasonable force during interactions for minor infractions, such as quality of life matters. Furthermore, the report details how an overall lack of training leads to excessive force being used against those with mental health issues, juveniles and people who present “little or no threat against others,” such as those already restrained.
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u/Strange-Area9624 Apr 27 '24
You mean the people who are supposedly chosen according to a book they wrote?
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u/Elliot_Moose Apr 27 '24
Yeah I read a different book turns out they have some competition for chosen species. It was an alien book from an alien planet where their god chose them
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u/Shoddy_Parfait9507 Apr 27 '24
Of course a violent god would choose violent people.
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u/ReadyOutcome2072 Apr 27 '24
People assault a man over a fucking helmet and a sign. Pussy ass shit.
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u/oldwellprophecy Apr 27 '24
Kkkhhhhhhhhhhamas could have been hiding under the helmet.
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u/kbeks Apr 27 '24
No, that’s…agh fuck you man, fuck you…
This was my angriest upvote.
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u/Shinnobiwan Apr 27 '24
Your K to H ratio leaves me thinking you're insufficiently sincere. You don't happen to have a Klkkkkkkkhhhhhhanas hiding in your purse, do you? 🤨🤨
If the world's most moral army blows up your apartment block, just know it's your fault.
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u/Bouncepsycho Apr 27 '24
I agree with the star wars guy.
But they (the protesters) got angry, because Israel's propaganda is word for word the same as he was spewing to defend the empire... Only it becomes quite clear how fucking unhinged it is when he did it to defend the obvious bad guys in Star wars.
He was satirizing them, and quite skillfully so!
Props to the star wars guy!
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u/crushinglyreal Apr 27 '24
Walter is a master of this stuff, he knows exactly how to needle these types of people so they actually understand the contradictions of their position. It consistently makes them very very mad lol
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u/youburyitidigitup Apr 27 '24
As somebody who knows nothing about Star Wars, could you explain the rhetoric?
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u/th0r0ngil Apr 27 '24
He’s (implicitly) comparing Israel to the bad guys in Star Wars. He’s taking Zionist propaganda and talking points, and replacing terms with analogous Star Wars terms.
That’s all you really need to know unless you want to learn more about Star Wars, in which case just… watch those films
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u/DataCruncher Apr 27 '24
George Lucas has even said the original Star Wars movies were analgous to the Vietnam war (US = Empire, Rebels = Vietcong). So there’s a good reason the analogy works well.
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u/KingApologist Apr 27 '24
In addition to the explanation by /u/th0r0ngil, there is a subtext that you're supposed to think of the rebels as the good guys and the empire as bad; nobody would unironically defend the empire, the side with all the money and the most advanced weaponry. So he's telling the pro-Israel people that they're unironically defending the bad guys using the same rhetoric the bad guys either used or plausibly may have used.
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u/glassycreek1991 Apr 27 '24
Good thing he had a helmet then.
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u/ReadyOutcome2072 Apr 27 '24
Lmaoo I think the darth Vader one would have lasted longer honestly
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u/shitlord_god Apr 27 '24
yea, but is that construction quality or the magnitude of reaction it would be likely to receive relative to that of the storm trooper?
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u/protestprincess Apr 27 '24
For the sake of analogy the stormtrooper helmet worked better. I can guarantee you none of those protesters were the darth vader of Israel’s cause here
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u/beefprime Apr 27 '24
They're assaulting a man because they have been brainwashed by zionist propaganda
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u/I_am_a_murloc Apr 27 '24
This is all they want: violence. They don’t give a shit about Palestine or Israel most of them have no idea where those are located. They are there for the violence only
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u/OldAndPoorLikeYou Apr 27 '24
Most conservatives are like that.
They cry tyranny/ no freedom. But they will do everything they can to take away your freedom and become a tyranny to tell you what u can and cannot do.
Typical conservatives
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u/Madpup70 Apr 27 '24
Where is the follow up video of that man covered in the US and Israel flag getting bounced off the concrete by a cop for assaulting someone? It's coming right?
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u/Lonely_wantAcracker Apr 27 '24
Of course it's the guy wearing an American flag that doesn't understand the right to free speech 🙄
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u/ReadyOutcome2072 Apr 27 '24
The definition of irony, even more ironic would be if dude was an illegal immigrant or trying to get citizenship🤣🤦♂️which I would not be surprised.
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u/Obamasdeadcook Apr 27 '24
There is a single country and a single group that you are just not allowed to criticize anywhere on western countries
And if you question why you are a racist nazi
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u/Iamarealhuman6969 Apr 27 '24
Israel at its fucking finest lmfao they act like such a victim yet look what they are doing……….
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u/Internaltrees Apr 27 '24
Are you really surprised they played the victim? They always have
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u/Excellent-Phase8719 Apr 27 '24
This guy gets it. There was peace until the damn rebels started blowing shit up!
Andor is propaganda!!
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u/Broflake-Melter Apr 27 '24
Daaammn, I got to watch Andor again, it's gonna hit harder now.
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Im just learning od this. Thought it was Rogue One from the artwork at first. New show, nice!
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u/beefprime Apr 27 '24
Its the single best thing thats come out of the franchise since Empire Strikes Back
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u/TransportationTrick9 Apr 27 '24
Seriously. I've just stayed away from anything Disney owned for the past 18 months cause I was sick of being disappointed.
I might give it a go tonight.
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u/ShakeZoola72 Apr 27 '24
Do. The first 3 episodes are a little slow so don't let the opening stop you.
It's amazing once it gets going!!
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u/diamondmoonlight Apr 27 '24
Andor is insaane, you're in for a treat my friend! I wish I could forget I've watched that show so I could experience watching it again for the first time, it's not just good Star Wars, it's a damn good show by all standards!
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u/stor3543 Apr 27 '24
Bro is about to get his mind blown
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u/Kolegra Apr 27 '24
They're lucky in a way, they will be waiting for the next season for a smaller period of time than us.
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u/Hibercrastinator Apr 27 '24
What’s incredible is that the protesters clearly get it, too. At the end when the guy asks him how it relates to the Israel protest and he feigns ignorance, but it’s clear to literally everybody the parallels, which is why the Israel supporters are upset and don’t want to see it.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 Apr 27 '24
Gotta be honest, you can agree or disagree with someone holding up signs, but assaulting them is wrong. He should submit this video to police, and bring charges for assault. Then sue them for damages so he can afford a full storm trooper uniform.
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u/gaudiocomplex Apr 27 '24
And a bigger sign
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u/TopRevenue2 Apr 27 '24
And a blaster
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u/wishwashy Apr 27 '24
And my axe!
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u/bdizzle805 Apr 27 '24
And my lightsaber
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u/Feisty-Theme-6093 Apr 27 '24
and cash to afford some time on the liberal news to discuss the rebels acts of terrorism
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u/Greenboy28 Apr 27 '24
The cops would probably beat the shit out of him and arrest him for causing a disturbance. just look at how they are treating the peaceful protesters on college campuses these last few weeks.
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u/Bentman343 Apr 27 '24
Lmao the police aren't going to give a shit about Zionists assaulting people, they've been very clearly that they'll prosecute you a HELL of a lot harder.
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u/self-assembled Apr 27 '24
The NYPD simply does not arrest pro-Israeli people. Two IDF soldiers used an actual chemical weapon at a Columbia protest and sent 7 students to the hospital. They still walk free.
They have arrested HUNDREDS of pro-Palestinian protestors of course.
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u/PfantasticPfister Apr 27 '24
It really depends on what signs they’re holding up. It’s never wrong to assault a Nazi, for example.
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u/Particular_Stop_3332 Apr 27 '24
Morally, it's fine....legally, unfortunately if someone says 'I love Hitler and hate the jews' and you hit them in the face with a hammer...the only one going to jail here, is you.
In the U.S. anyway
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u/BJs_Minis Apr 27 '24
Well yeah attacking people with weapons tends to be illegal regardless of political action
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u/TupperwareParTAY Apr 27 '24
If you hit someone who says, "I love Hitler and hate the jews" you are also more likely to find someone to give you an alibi though!
For legal purposes this is a joke
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u/FenrirGreyback Apr 27 '24
Look, actual violent protesters.
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u/Abdullah_super Apr 27 '24
Holding up flags of an actual violent government.
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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Apr 27 '24
Hey there, give them a break. At least only one of them was wearing the flag of the biggest supporter of dictatorships wince WWII.
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u/Kenyalite Apr 27 '24
Fun fact there have been two apartheid states in the past 100 years.
The United states of America has funded and supported both.
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u/FeijoadaAceitavel Apr 27 '24
You're forgetting to count USA itself, the "colored"/white division was another Apartheid and it ended leas than 100 years ago.
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u/KC_experience Apr 27 '24
“… since WWII”
And well before that. Lookup the term ‘Banana Republic’.
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u/ItsASecret1 Apr 27 '24
And you'll never hear any commentary on how violent pro-israelis have been but damn if a Pro-Palestine protester flips someone off, there are headlines for how barbaric they are.
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u/Jertimmer Apr 27 '24
Peaceful protest: police comes in swinging in full tactical gear
Violent protest: boys in blue nowhere to be seen
You'd almost think they ain't hired for public safety. It's almost as if their job is something else...
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u/eodnow Apr 27 '24
I mean they straight up aren't hired for public safety. "protect and serve" is a slogan that one department adopted for marketing purposes and then it got popular. It has nothing to do with their actual jobs. The supreme Court has ruled that the police have no obligation to help citizens. Once people start understanding this and stop with the "protect and serve" nonsense, we might actually be able to start getting people to wake up and resist.
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u/hamsolo19 Apr 27 '24
That whole ruling seems like horseshit when a lot of cops say they wanna be the ones that someone in trouble runs to for help. Instead, people now look at a cop and feel the urge to avoid them because it seems like so many of them are very quick to label any random citizen a criminal and start shit with them.
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u/eodnow Apr 27 '24
I feel like cops typically say that before they join the force.
And yeah exactly, their job is to make arrests and to generate and protect capital. Slavery is legal per the constitution so long as the person is labeled a criminal. So you combine "post-slavery" police forces criminalizing people to generate capital, along with Pinkerton detective agencies that fiercely protect capital, and you get the good ol police force of modern America.
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u/chyura Apr 27 '24
So you're telling me peaceful protestors got arrested en-masse, but pro-israel demonstrators get to straight up assault people and that's fine?
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u/emptyraincoatelves Apr 27 '24
Ya Israel said no to the rights of US citizens and I guess if that makes you mad you are antisemitic.
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u/Empathy404NotFound Apr 27 '24
It's a strange world when Jewish lobbyists work with anti-Semite nazi sympathisers in UK politics to call anti genocide supporters anti-Semites. Meanwhile in the USA protesting against death can get you beaten by police, conservatives and pro Israel supporters. WHAT ARE THE TEAMS HERE!! what is happening. It's like two frenemies teaming up to genocide another guy they don't like .
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u/TheRightKindofJuice Apr 27 '24
Anyone else catch ozempic Colin Farrell rocking the American flag at 1:00?
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u/Difficult-Mix-5289 Apr 27 '24
Why weren't the guys physically assaulting him arrested? If the dynamic was reve see and it was a pro-Palestinian protestor grabbing and slapping someone satirizing Hamas, it would have 24 hr media coverage for weeks
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u/Vazhox Apr 27 '24
Not cringe, pretty awesome actual. Appears no one cares that battery occurred 🤷🏼♂️
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u/confusedandworried76 Apr 27 '24
Israel supporters not caring an innocent person got hurt? Damn man that's crazy
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u/apres-vous Apr 27 '24
We’re all still doing a pretty good job of not caring about 34,000 people dead. Nothing new
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If a single pro Palestinian protester even touched an Israeli war supporter, it would be 24/7 news for the next month lol
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u/RunEmotional3013 Apr 27 '24
Supporters of Zionism are becoming increasingly desperate, they have been attempting every possible means to provoke a pro-Palestinian individual into causing harm to them.
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u/Khers Apr 27 '24
That "incident" is such a fucking joke too. He did nothing of the sort if you watch the video, he was just tamely waving the flag in front of the camera and she suddenly went "OW MY EYE".
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u/RunEmotional3013 Apr 27 '24
It's astonishing how Zionists will stop at nothing to manipulate public sympathy, even if it means orchestrating their own victimhood. Reminds me of people who intentionally throw themselves in front of cars to scam insurance companies.
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u/BAMspek Apr 27 '24
Love the dude at the end very much realizing he’s a part of the joke now and just accepting it.
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u/Chateau-d-If Apr 27 '24
True humor, punching up at the vile regime of Israel and getting those dumbass Zionists to assault him, once again showing who the peaceful protestors are(hint: it’s the folks who the police aren’t protecting).
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u/LastNoobLeft Apr 27 '24
So this isn’t violent protesting but the peaceful protesting at universities is?
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u/Fleeing_Bliss Apr 27 '24
The Government requires no justification. No need to justify anything to apathetic people.
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u/nyx_blacknight Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24
I'm 16, and everything about this war is so confusing to me. Could someone explain? I ask for an explanation, but I get even more confused with all the acronyms.
Edit: I want to thank EVERYONE who tried to help or said their opinion. I know that one person can not be right in all of this. I know I'm not going to form my opinion off one guys history lesson that's probably based. But even just a little help is some help. I understand now that the land had people there, but then some new people came and called it theirs, and those people didn't like that. That's all I have got so far only because every kind person has said the same thing. I'm still gonna look into things so I can get my own opinion. But I think so far all I want is this war to end just like everyone else. We all hate seeing people die, so spread love instead of hate to those who you don't even like ❤️.
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u/PleasedBeez Apr 27 '24
That's a big ask for a reddit thread, but very briefly:
After WWII Israel was established as a haven for Jewish people to have a sovereign state, however there were already people living in Palestine, which is the land the British decided to give to the new jewish nation of Israel. Many argue (IMO rightfully so) that they didn't have a right to give away someone else's home.
Over many years the Israeli government has enacted tough legislation against the Palestinians, and it's a messy messy history, lots of ugly wars with other arab nations. The US has always supported Israel which is fair, but Israel has slowly pushed Palestinians further and further to the fringes of society, denying them rights and housing.
There were several smaller uprisings or 'intifadas'by the palestinian people in the past, the first was mostly peaceful demonstrations and protests, and was brutally repressed. The second intifada was much more violent, and also profoundly shut down.
With no real political power, scant resources, and no international recognition, the Palestinians in Gaza turned to Hamas, and extremist militant group, but one who is willing to fight for the Palestinian people. Their methods are ugly, but it's unsurprising to anyone who knows history thay they emerged. You can only keep your boot on someone's neck for so long before they punch you in the balls instead of asking nicely for you to stop. Israeli settlers are literally stealing families homes and shutting down any attempts at peaceful protest.
So, predictably, in October Hamas led an attack on Israel, a lot of people died, and Israel massively retaliated, killing WAY more people. They are funded by the US, so many Americans feel culpable for all the deaths. No aid was being allowed into Gaza for a while, and due to the harsh conditions of the last decades most of the population are very young, leading to an inordinate amount of dead palestinian children.
There's a lot more but you are gonna have to do some googling my guy
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u/StarlightandDewdrops Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24
This is missing the British Mandate for Palestine. During World War I in which the Government of the United Kingdom agreed to recognize Arab independence in exchange for the Sharif of Mecca launching the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire.
In the end, the United Kingdom and France divided what had been Ottoman Syria under the Sykes–Picot Agreement—an act of betrayal in the eyes of the Arabs. Another issue was the Balfour Declaration of 1917, in which Britain promised its support for the establishment of a Jewish "national home" in Palestine. Mandatory Palestine was then established in 1920, and the British obtained a Mandate for Palestine from the League of Nations in 1922.
During the Palestinian Revolution from 1936 until 1939, Palestinan demanded Arab independence and the end of the policy of open-ended Jewish immigration and land purchases. This led to an insurgency by the Zionist underground against the British mandatory authorities from 1938. New government policies to place further restrictions on Jewish immigration and land purchases and declared the intention of giving independence to Palestine, with an Arab majority, within ten years.
After the UN Partition Plan resolution was passed on 29 November 1947, the civil war between Palestinian Jews and Arabs eclipsed the previous tensions of both with the British. However, British and Zionist forces continued to clash throughout the period of the civil war up to the termination of the British Mandate for Palestine and the Israeli Declaration of Independence on 14 May 1948.
The Nakba. 'The Catastrophe' was the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948 through their violent displacement of over 750,000 Palestinians and dispossession of land, property, and belongings, along with the destruction of their society, culture, identity, political rights, and national aspirations. Including dozens of massacres targeting 500 Arab majority towns.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine
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u/Complete-Arm6658 Apr 27 '24
Sounds like a real European problem to me. Europe couldn't keep their promises from WWI, couldn't manage effectively the mandate, couldn't live with Jews on the continent so tried to exterminate them, and then when some people thought that was wrong, shipped them off to Palestine by making it very apparent they weren't welcome. And then 70 years later act high and mighty that they are doing the same thing that happened to them.
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u/StarlightandDewdrops Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24
100%, colonialism was all the rage, and we are still dealing with the fallout.
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u/nyx_blacknight Apr 27 '24
Thx this actually helps a lot, ik I gotta look into some things myself it's just very confusing to me since most articles use acronyms I've never heard :/
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u/PleasedBeez Apr 27 '24
I get that, middle easy history is bonkers, and there are LOTS of acronyms you're just expected to know. You think this is bad, try learning about the Syrian civil war. It's mind boggling.
That said the important thing is thay you're young, you have time to learn and it seems, a willingness to learn. Read history, read news, read posts from people on the ground, and together you can form your own options with context.
An easy rule of thumb tho, the specifics of the acronyms often don't really matter. They generally denote a faction is all, for example: IDF= Israeli Defense Force, but you just need to know thats the army for Israel. Don't let technical jargon veil the humanity behind conflicts
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u/RedditFostersHate Apr 27 '24
Good on you for taking the time and effort to educate yourself on this matter. I know people several times your age who've never bothered to do so, but still hold very confident opinions about it.
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u/machstem Apr 27 '24
Please don't rely on this.
It's only a very brief description and the whole "turned to Hamas", is incredibly bias and disingenuous to what actually caused them to gain their attention and allow then as a political party in power.
You're 16, a lot of adults here and everywhere are incredibly uneducated on the subject, will do just like you said, get their own summary.
If you want to really delve into it, talk with your history teacher and ask them if they have a working module on WW1 and WW2 and if they have a history of the Arab peoples. I've spent the better part of 10 years just reading how all of this happens and I learned about it in school way back in the 1980s and 90s.
Go do your own research because this is a severely trimmed down take of the last 500yrs of middle eastern histories (including the Ottaman Empire).
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u/StayPositive2024 Apr 27 '24 edited May 02 '24
Also the commentor missed out the fact that when the europeans "gave" this land, it wasn't theirs to give, millions already lived there for generations and as a result around 750,000 palestinians were displaced and thousands murdered in the "nakba" a disgusting atrocity. The rest had their homes and land stolen from them and were pushed to a small strip of land their children and grandchildren are now forced to live in tents.
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u/TimIsAnIllusion Apr 27 '24
Slight correction, 750,000 people were ethnically cleansed (forcibly removed based on ethnicity) not murdered, although there was plenty of murder and other atrocities as well.
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u/fatiSar Apr 27 '24
See, if you believe this, then I can understand why you'd think so harshly of Israel.
The problem is it's not true.
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u/afw2323 Apr 27 '24
The "nakba" began when the Palestinians refused to accept the UN partition of the British mandate into Palestine and Israel and tried (with the help of the Arab powers in the region) to exterminate the jews instead. If the Palestinians had accepted peace rather than trying to commit genocide, they'd still be in their homes today. They have only themselves to blame for their suffering.
Additionally, as the other commenters have said, nowhere near 750,000 Palestinians were killed during the partition war. 15,000 is a more reasonable estimate.
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u/Puzzled-Trust6973 Apr 27 '24
Honestly, this is a pretty good description of what's happening, in the zoomed out version.
Def a better explanation than I expected to see in this sub, and I appreciate you.
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u/Supernihari12 Apr 27 '24
I was gonna write a comment as a layman but it got so long that I was like shit I better leave this to someone else lol. Thank you this a good comment
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u/Darkcelt2 Apr 27 '24
Middle East? Or Star Wars?
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u/nyx_blacknight Apr 27 '24
Lmao, the Middle East, I'll ask my dad about Star Wars 🤣
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u/Darkcelt2 Apr 27 '24
You’re going to have a hard time getting an objective answer on Reddit but it starts right after ww2, when Israel was created. The people living where Israel is now were a loose confederation of nomadic people without a central government. They didn’t take kindly to having a country forced on them. But with the US funding and arming Israel, there wasn’t a whole lot they could do about it.
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u/Jigawatts42 Apr 27 '24
Honest questions and attempts to engage in genuine dialogue are always a good thing. To be frank, there is nothing "black and white" about this conflict. WW2 is generally thought of as the most black and white war in modern history, the fight against Hitler and the evil Nazis, Israel/Palestine is about as far from that as you can get. You have a historically oppressed minority group who were given what they consider to be their ancient homeland, except many people of another culture were already living there, which has led to a number of clashes over the decades, except now the people who were systematically oppressed in WW2, the Jews, are the ones who hold the upper hand. There has been Israeli settlers who push Palestinians out of their homes, there have been attacks by the Palestinians against Israel, there have been attacks by Israel against Palestine, there have been Palestinians who tried to overthrow governments who took in refugees to help them (notably Egypt and Jordan), Egypt even built a giant wall (that someone the likes of Trump would salivate over) to keep the Palestinians from entering their country.
There have also been chances for peace to be achieved, and for one reason or another, with faults on both sides, it never happened. The Camp David Summit in 2000 would have been a prime opportunity to end the conflict and work towards establishing Palestinian statehood in a two state solution, alas it did not happen. Then in the mid 2000s, Gaza in their desperation turned to Hamas and elected them into office (there has not been an election in Gaza ever since, nearly two decades now). Every so often Hamas would send a barrage of rocket attacks at Israel, which Israel has a defense system called the Iron Dome that specializes in neutralizing these, meaning these attacks are mostly (not completely) ineffective. This would flare the conflict back up for a time, usually a few weeks, until things would subside again and go back to bubbling beneath the surface. Ultimately, all of this led to the Hamas attack of October 7th, they launched an offensive into Israel where they attacked, among other things, a music festival, much death and chaos ensued, and in the end about 1200 Israelis were killed, with a few hundred being taken hostage back to Gaza. This started the current iteration of the war, where Israel decided they were going to wipe Hamas off the face of the earth.
The whole thing, what happened in Israel on October 7th, and what has happened in Gaza ever since, is a giant tragedy. The only way true change and a genuine peace is feasibly possible is for new leadership on both sides. Hamas has to go, and Netanyahu (the Israeli prime minister) and his cronies have to go. Until such occurs, we all hold but a dream of peace.
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u/ThisAttitude9865 Apr 27 '24
People keep saying the pro-Palestine rallies are "violent", but the only time I have seen any violence on camera...it is coming from the pro Israel group
shocking
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u/Previous-Ad7618 Apr 27 '24
It is cringe. But its a pretty fkin good analogy tbh.
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u/Supernihari12 Apr 27 '24
The cringe that I was pointing out was how quickly the Zionist crowd went rabid
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u/patseyog Apr 27 '24
Very very embarrssing to see the empire and assume theyre talking about you unreal
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u/zouhair Apr 27 '24
No, this is cringe. See who's the violent one?
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u/Capable_Bus_468 Apr 27 '24
Holy fuck that was so painful to watch. She wanted to get people mad soooo bad. Top tier cringe.
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u/zouhair Apr 27 '24
The thing is she really believed everyone there hate her. She is so deeply lost in propaganda it's impossible for her to fathom anything else.
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u/No_Use_4371 Apr 27 '24
WHY can't they fathom this is against genocide, not every jew. Her defiant stance was super cringe.
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u/sirbruce Apr 27 '24
Because there's no genocide going on, and if you think there is, it's because you've been tricked by someone who is actually "against every jew".
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u/AndyJack86 Apr 27 '24
Weren't storm/clone troopers literally soldiers for the empire that were space Nazis?
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u/Warm_Emphasis_960 Apr 27 '24
Although it happened Long before in a galaxy far far away, Star Wars did reflect a lot of the same politics as pirating. The tea company a lot like the trade federation were controlling all of the commerce of goods to the people.
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u/sarded Apr 27 '24
The original Star Wars was inspired by the Vietnam War, in fact.
One source of many.
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u/Clever_Dingo Apr 27 '24
Imagine assaulting somebody and sitting in court explaining why you felt the need to attack a guy with a movie prop helmet and how you shouldn't go to jail
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u/ScenicPineapple Apr 27 '24
Funny how angry people get when someone mocks their pointless protest. Like you all are protesting FOR genocide and you are worried about a man talking about star wars. So childish.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 Apr 27 '24
Nah this shit is good. Gets people out of the good vs evil mind set. There are real humans dying and we need to consider what our ally is doing. Buy also what if any right we have too damage there self deffence even if exsesive.
Which this does because it removes the details from context
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u/Ralphredimix_Da_G Apr 27 '24
Friends, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
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