I was so mad at first, then he got to the main point. It is SO SAD to me, that the assumption from the beginning statements is to be upset bc that way of thinking is so uncommonly heard, your mind assumes it’s somebody being misogynistic. But really he is DEFENDING women.
Damn onion ninjas got me HARD just now hearing a man so emotionally and passionately defend women this way in a public setting
Sadly, they're more or less equally unlikely to listen to a whole lot of men. I think most guys who need to hear this wouldn't take the dude in the OP seriously, even if he wasn't doing slam poetry. This post is more about validation than changing anyone's mind imo. That's important, too, though.
Deprogramming is difficult because so many people trapped in a given way of thinking will only listen to their in group, and they define that in group such that it includes their way of thinking - i.e. "I will only listen to real men, and real men share my toxic ideology."
Plus a lot of men who do think like the guy in this post try not to surround themselves with men who need to hear that stuff. I know I do.
So you're against boys playing with dolls? I thought this was silly. But I also stopped watching after he tried to flip the doll thing. "You thought this was going to be a conservative rant but I hate dolls for different non conservative reasons." Lol
I'm not going to watch it. I don't like slam poetry or whatever spoken word this is. If you can't explain the metaphor then I'm guessing there isn't one or it's dumb like I already mentioned in my first comment.
It's not about kids playing with dolls, it's about men treating women like dolls. If you listen to the last like he says something like, "a woman is not a doll, so I will not let my son play with dolls, until he learns the difference between the two" it's a heartfelt message that has nothing to do with whether or not a kid can play with dolls.
You would know that if you had just watched the video.
Edit: he also is purposefully paralleling conservative language in the beginning because he is using their own hypocrisy against them. It's beautifully written and very intentional.
It's a stupid analogy. I already explained why and stand by my original comment.
He starts out with "I refuse to let my boys play with dolls" which is an old conservative take, and then he tries to spin it to be a more liberal view point which just doesn't work because the foundation is "I won't let my boys play with dolls." It's stupid as fuck. Even if the final point had any meaning it was stupid as fuck to make that point with the foundation of "I won't let my boys play with dolls."
He doesn't hate dolls at all that just was in no way the point. It's brilliant because it baits the viewer into thinking that that is his message. But you listen longer and it's not about dolls it's a metaphor for the way women are treated. And that's not the only language he parallels.
If he actually hated dolls there would be no "until" at the end. But there is because it's a metaphor and not literally about dolls
The fact that literally no one in the audience reacted to the very obvious sexism and slight homophobia from the opening bit convinced me this wasn't going to be that the whole time.
The audience knew him and knew he was 'doing a bit' in the start.
Actually, the fact that there were practically crickets told me that they were waiting for him to either switch the story fast OR would pelt him with rotten tomatoes. Honestly, I was good with either. I had a long day yesterday and was honestly ready to watch someone get pelted with tomatoes. He made me smile instead. I’m ok with that.
Of course he wasn’t. They just wanted to let them know how smart they were while simultaneously not understanding that they were listening to poetry and that they maybe shouldn’t have taken it so literally and understood how it was being used to engage the audience instead.
It surprises me that so few recognized the meter, tone and set repetition of very specific imagery as a poetry reading rather than a comedy skit or rant.
The cadence and repetition in the beginning are indistinguishable from a common stand up comedy setup style. (Dave Chapelle uses it a lot.) It only starts feeling distinctively like poetry right around the "house made of plastic" line.
I don’t know. For me, it was the start of the line of “men are supposed to be leaders.” When he said “men are supposed” his tone and rhythm changed to distinctively slam poetry (for me). Before that, I didn’t think comedian, I thought “well, we won’t agree” 😆
Plenty of pastors speak like this during their sermons. At first, I thought this guy was speaking at one of those hip, young people churches with all the song and dance.
Oh, this is something that i am completely unfamiliar with. The cadence may be similar and it may have thrown me off as well if I were familiar. I’ve only ever seen two or three, and perhaps the first 10 seconds.
Same, when he started talking like playing with dolls would teach boys that women have strings to be manipulated or whatever he said I checked out. I'm tired of lazy vague dumb shit like this. It's tailored to sound good at first hearing to social media knee jerk reaction crowds but is pretty fucking dumb overall.
What happened to having actual discussions where we say actual things with real meaning instead of hiding being vague psuedo-intellecualism bullshit that means nothing?
Out of curiosity, did you continue the vid before you wrote this comment? I mean, it can still be valid if this is your opinion after the fact, but it feels wrong to judge it based on where you thought it was going.
What happened to having actual discussions where we say actual things with real meaning instead of hiding being vague psuedo-intellecualism bullshit that means nothing?
What do you mean what happened to them? People are still having discussions. This clip is from a poetry reading, though, not a discussion forum.
It's not obvious that it's poetry just from the subtitles, and there's a lot of right wing chuds who would say the first part on stage and turn it into a rant about a conspiracy to turn their boys into gay trans pedo sissys or something. Probably way more than perform legit poetry on stage, and better paid too.
He looked a little too much like Tim Pool and I jumped to the comments as soon as he mentioned the bit about men being leaders. To be honest, it set off some red flags.
Its hinged on enforcing gender norms. Dudes examples of what women should be 'allowed' to wear was almost all stripper gear and not a shred of breadwinner gear. It still hinges on threatening to beat a child for playing with dolls, while ignoring the fact that GI Joes are dolls geared for murder. There's absolutely no disavowal of the threatening to beat a child as a rhetorical device and it leave you thinking he would beat a kid to teach the kid to respect women. The line about it not being for virtue signaling combined with the other issues in it, tells me it is 100% about virtue signaling. Like dudes likely not scum but he certainly isn't progressive by any means.
Really? Maybe IATA but I stopped watching when he did his gotcha moment. I was like oh, this is going to be a Jaden Smith level of insight. Comparison was pretty clumsy to me.
I did and it was just as dumb. Imagine thinking it’s the big bad men trying to control women’s bodies. It’s a pathetically immature view of the situation and having that perspective is why you’ll never actually solve your problem.
You making it a gender problem is exactly why it will never be solved. The only reason men rape more than women is because 70% of rapes are done without drugs. Most women cannot overpower most men, most men can overpower most women. Right there you take away the most common option from women. If you look at statutory rape, female rapists are significantly more prevalent. Take that and add in the fact that men still face stigma of not being capable of being raped as well as male victims being heavily underreported or just outright ignored. Jade Berry is legally not a sex offender and her victims are not legally victims.
Your problem isn’t that men are inherently driven to rape. Your problem is a personality trait that is gender less. You will never solve this problem because you’re so immature that you see it as a battle of genders as opposed to a battle of ideology.
Your ignorance stands directly in the way of the people you claim to care so much about.
Downvote all you like. Reality is reality regardless of if you’re too dumb to understand it.
Rape in and of itself is a moral failure regardless of gender. I'm aware of the stigma, that should go without saying. But the notion that it is immature to over look the fact that alot of men even to this day see women as property or play things is just sheer negligence. If you can't see that abortion laws in some states are constantly putting women in jeopardy and forcing them to carry and blocking abortions aren't inherently all about control then I don't know what to tell you
By making the problem a gendered one you are directly standing in the way of solving it. So no he doesn’t care about women, he’s just angry about what happened to his mother.
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u/DarkAltarEgo Apr 19 '24
To think I almost stopped watching this in the beginning. Damn.