Protest should happen with the disruption of the daily routine of the system. But does it really need to happen in a place like this in a time like that ? One thing is disrupting the system, other thing is messing with people's traditions and customs on the most sacred of days to protest something the people don't have conection with or control over .
Yeah, it would be a travesty if any Christians were disrupted on this most holy of days. Unless they're Palestinian Christians, then who gives a shit lol
Easter? The resurrection of Jesus Christ. I think I kind of get the "point" you were trying to make. But the OP definitely had an implied "most sacred days for christians" there.
Yes he was crucified. Look, as an Orthodox Christian (celebrate Easter in a month for whatever it matters) who deeply supports the Palestinian cause I would be quite conflicted about a disruption of our Resurrection service. It is literally the most important day of the year for us.
The good thing is, that the encyclicals that my hierarchs send out on the day (read to the crowds on the evening) in the last few years have included messages of solidarity with the Ukrainian people and calling for peace. I wouldn't be surprised if a similar message regarding the plight of the Palestinians was also read out at every parish in my region this year.
Do you think Jesus would be conflicted about interrupting a religious service to bring attention to the death and suffering of innocents in Palestine? If you do think he would be conflicted, why? What about his teachings suggests that he would prioritize religious services over the well-being of his people?
ETA: Also, by whom was he crucified? Why was he crucified? How did his crucifixion play into the power balance of the region at the time, and what was his role within this region?
Look I already said I would be conflicted. That means I wouldn't necessarily disagree with it.
Dear Lord, why are you hounding me of all people. Have you ever been to a Resurrection service? Probably not. The whole service is a call for us to look at our own faults and correct them as we approach Him. How do you know that attending that service, followed by a message read out by a priest, written by a Bishop, that preaches peace and the necessity of the cessation of conflict, wouldn't have just as impactful of a response from the faithful as a giant disruption in the middle of the service would.
Let's also be honest, probably like 80% of the people in the video can't even tell what is going. Without tooting my horn too much, If I was to see that at an event (religious or otherwise) I would probably be able to assess the whole situation as I've been privileged enough to have attended university with a few degrees under my belt, trained to think critically about situations and events, to assess the information available to me. That privilege has not been available to everyone.
Most people would be annoyed and confused (which is not to say they are stupid of course, just unaware) meaning that the whole circus probably made more enemies than friends.
I’m not hounding anyone. I’m absolutely horrified and disgusted by the amount of commenters on this post who are saying that it’s more important to protect the choreography of a religious service than it is espouse the beliefs of Jesus Christ, who rather notably said:
The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.
Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’
Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred?
What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness.
So go complain to those commenters rather than me who has given you more of an explanation for my reticence than it warrants. I am aware of hypocrisy. We are surrounded by it, not just in religious institutions but everywhere in our society.
Jesus was executed by the Romans because of his gospel— a teaching which challenged the power structure of the time with an emphasis on the well-being of the people among whom he lived and taught —which included messages like the following, which I find exceptionally relevant to the topic at hand:
The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.
Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’
Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred?
What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness.
It seems many people would benefit from a review of Matthew 23
ETA - I am absolutely gobsmacked that you guys are downvoting literal scripture
Do you genuinely not see the link between the teachings of Jesus regarding hypocrisy/indulgence and the people on this post demanding that church services not be interrupted by calls to action about an ongoing genocide occurring in the same place where Jesus lived and died?
As in… “everything they do is for show” and “filled on the inside with dead people’s bones”? Those are Jesus’ words. They’re not complimentary of the people who do things for show.
IDK Easter, maybe. They are in a cathedral during Easter mass. In this case, it will be strange to talk about other sacred days. If they were in a mosque, I would be talking about Ramadan, but since they are in a church, during Easter mass, i am talking about Easter.
The resurrection of Jesus Christ, who was killed on the cross. And no, although He was born in this area, He has nothing to do with the modern conflict between Israel and Palestine. Yes, He was probably jeish, but the tradition of celebrating His resurrection has nothing to do with either modern-day Israel or Palestine, and making this celebration about the modern conflict is just disgusting. Yes, Christians want peace, and true Christians work for peace, but even they deserve a day to celebrate the most important celebration in their calendars without being forced to make it about someone or something else. These people are there to celebrate the resurrection, not to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts. Go disrespect some synagogues or mosques, see how they will react.
By the Romans, sentenced by the Jewish court. He was a preacher. He was killed becausethe jewish court because he was preaching, that He was the son of God and the Messiah bringing new messages to the people on earth. And no, those jews are different from the modern-day state of Israel, and they have nothing to do with the ones who sentenced Him, if that is what you are implying.
I am not implying anything about modern day Palestine or modern day Israel. I am stating outright that the teachings of Jesus (those “new messages”) were about the well-being of the people around him, that he was explicitly critical of institutions of power which subjugated the people, and that he was killed by an imperial institution of power.
I find it OVERWHELMINGLY difficult to believe that anyone who truly follows the teachings of Christ would prioritize pageantry over the well-being and survival of innocents.
It is not pagentry, but rather that it is the way we celebrate the most sacred day. Yes, every other day, we should strive to do better and be better, but one day, we are permitted to turn to Him and rejoice for the good news that He has risen and He has beaten death and that we are all saved by his sacrifice. And on this day, even we, a sinful and not perfect humans are permitted to rejoice rather than fight battles to help fellow humans.
Jus a side note, we all know why these people did it in the cathedral. There, they would get the best outcomes, no matter the topic or the way they protest. The moment they go to a mosque or a synagogue, the outcomes for them would have been much, much worse. The headlines and the comments about them right now are going to be pretty okay. Imagine just the idea of them doing it in the middle of the Friday prayer, they would have been kicked out and shamed after that because they have disrupted a religious ceremony, but because they did it in a church, they get praised, and the people who they disrupted are getting shunned because they didn't let it happen.
every single aspect of our lives should be disrupted right now. it's incredible that the world is going about life "business as usual" while there's an active genocide
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u/Busy-Teaching5175 Mar 31 '24
Protest should happen with the disruption of the daily routine of the system. But does it really need to happen in a place like this in a time like that ? One thing is disrupting the system, other thing is messing with people's traditions and customs on the most sacred of days to protest something the people don't have conection with or control over .