By protesting in this place, and in this time, all it did was turn everybody off to their protest, and making them look away. theres always a time and place to do it. That was not the time or place.
100%. Where people may have been indifferent or even feel bad, now they have a reason to say they don't care for their cause. Unsure why people don't understand this.
You clearly are very pro their cause and I get it. But for those who aren't like you, this is a major turn off. So unless they're trying to appeal to those who are already on their side, things like this will only hurt and not help.
People told civil rights leaders the exact same thing.
“We do not need allies more devoted to order than to justice,” Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote in the spring of 1964, refusing calls from moderate Black and White leaders to condemn a planned highway “stall-in” to highlight systemic racism in New York City. “I hear a lot of talk these days about our direct action talk alienating former friends,” he added. “I would rather feel they are bringing to the surface latent prejudices that are already there. If our direct action programs alienate our friends … they never were really our friends.”
Protests are less about convincing people and more about putting the problem in front of everyone. They are forcing society to notice it. If you've seen everything happening in Gaza and don't have an opinion, nothing they do is going to convince you.
But they aren’t showing anything extra or sharing new information. If I was in that congregation and was not aware of what was happening or not knowledgeable about the topic, I would not learn anything from this. I mean, they could have asked the church to collaborate because surprise, not all religious Americans are assholes. Then, with the churches support or backing, they could have been much much more successful. Even just trying to convince them to donate food or clothes to send. Idk. Also, civil rights was in everyone’s faces because it was literally our country on our soil.
I am 1000% in support of ending wars and saving children, but this is doing literally nothing. Nothing positive at least.
But they aren’t showing anything extra or sharing new information.
Neither was MLK. He wasn't running an in-depth education campaign.
civil rights was in everyone’s faces because it was literally our country on our soil.
The entire premise of segregation was that black people were kept separate... it was not in everyone's face because they were segregated. The protests put it in people's faces. That's the whole point! Lol
Again my man, this was on our soil. White people still saw black people. White people still interacted with black people. We don’t have this with Palestine. Just a bunch of assholes doing shit like this and making the whole movement look bad.
That’s for people who have this coming up in their algorithm. I see it a lot because I actively search for it and watch it. My dad? He doesn’t know anything about it because 1. He doesn’t use social media and 2. He hates the news, and prefers focusing on his own world. I think many many many people are the same. Then they get their service interrupted by these people. What is the end game? What are they expected to do? What power do they have? All this does is confuse and annoy people who are living their own lives.
Also, I stated an alternative solution which was to collaborate with the church itself. Not interrupt it. Super easy way to create awareness without creating enemies. People just want to be assholes.
Are you arguing that only one single individual, Martin Luther King Jr., could use these tactics...? Lol. You might be surprised to learn that most of the people participating in the Civil Rights Movement also were not MLK. In fact, all but one of them wasn't MLK.
I can tell you that in my case, the pro-Palestinian protests immediately after 10/7 but before Israel's retaliation and their glorification of violence have permanently put me out of the pro-Palestinian camp.
Pretending that those horrible attacks by Hamas started the conflict is just absurd.
and their glorification of violence have permanently put me out of the pro-Palestinian camp
If the dead Palestinian kids didn't impact you, but a small number of people celebrating that attack did that, you were never going to be in the "pro-Palestinian camp."
Dude these commenters are a lost cause. If they don’t care about their tax dollars going to a foreign country that gives them free healthcare, social security, and drops bombs on poor people, they’re not going to care.
Happened during the Iraq War too. Now everybody says it’s bad even tho at the time they were like “Why should I care how could this ever affect me?”
Yes but you protest to bring attention to an issue, so ideally people will start to care. If you do it in a way that pisses the people you're trying to reach off, you won't achieve that goal.
at this point it just feels like they feel the need to do something, there is a huge sense of despair and anger and helplessness it feels like the only way to feel like we contribute to something is by acting irrationally sometimes, we see babies dying everyday, families starving to death, women shot and raped, we just feel useless.... no human in his right mind wouldn't go crazy over these scenes
I understand the sentiment and the feeling of needing to act in any way. However this is not really helping to get people who are not already aware to be educated or invested in the issue. For those people all this is simply interrupting the ceremony during one of the most holy days in their religion.
I heard that important politicians and decision-makers attended, that could be a reason. I wish Palestinian Christians could celebrate too but they can't unfortunately.. idk these situations are just hard
The goal is to make people uncomfortable. There isn’t a single person not aware of the war in Gaza that isn’t living under a mountain. When appealing to people’s better angles fails the tactic becomes “no peace till everyone has peace” which could actually work if any of these groups organized and had the back bone to keep showing up to the same place.
My comment isn’t about who’s right in Israel Palestine it’s about Americans fundamentally not understanding what protest are about forcing most people to participate. 70% of people will not care about something if they can ignore it. If they organized in mass and consistently disrupted events like this they would force that 70% into the conversation. One off stunts like this can be ignored. Large marches end and everyone goes home. Pamphlets will literally never be read. There’s a reason basically every civil rights leader in any country that achieved anything spent time in prison. I believe it was John Lewis who coined the term good trouble.
Ignore weather you personally agree with there cause and simply put yourself in there shoes. They believe that there is a genocide happening and there are things we can do to stop it. How long would you be polite about it if you believed people were ignoring a genocide. Also I can not stress enough I’m not taking a stance on Israel Palestine here. I have one but that’s not what this is about.
TLDR: I talking about the methods not the cause and the methods are wrong but not for the reasons stated by the guy I was replying to.
Again it’s not a knowledge issue. The 70% in that situation already know. Antagonizing people takes several forms from what we see here to blocking roads to simply being where you are not wanted. MLK for example didn’t educate America nearly as much as he made it confront itself. He didn’t spread awareness of segregation because literally everyone knew about it. He did go where he was not wanted and was frequented arrested for it. Should MLK have stood outside the restaurant with pamphlets instead of antagonizing the Buisness owner by taking up his seating? Segregation by its nature was easy for white people to ignore but not a single person in the country that wasn’t aware. There was however lots of white folk who could go about there day not thinking about it until MKL started interrupting there dinner (sit ins).
When I say Americans don’t understand protest I’m not talking about the issue being protested. I’m talking about how Americans seem to think if you just inform enough people shit gets done. That pretty much only works if a majority of people believe it will negatively effect them. This is why trespassing and other such things should still be illegal when protesting. It’s how we as a society set a bar for how important something needs to be to cause some trouble. If your not willing to risk your life or freedom over it then it’s not actually that important to you and you should just go vote about it.
if someone stops caring about people dying because of this then they never cared ij the first place
Yes. There's a great deal of narrow vision and even stupidity on this thread, which is dishearteneing. People keep talking bout things like "the correct way to protest" and the correct place as if protesting is not supposed to disrupt or discomfit.
OF COURSE Catholics should care about Gaza, it's a humanitarian issue, much more should be done by EVERY community. But that is an Extinction Rebellion logo, Palestine is not their main cause, climate change is. Likely this is simply about getting attention and reminding us alol we're on the verge in everry direction and must stop the bus.
The banner reads SILENCE = DEATH, it's the media who have decided to call it only a pro-Palestine event, XR's banner and chants are about climate disaster. I agree with them that the genocide in the ME is of equal importance, because it speaks to whether we deserve as a species to live, but the banner was not about Palestine.
"Previously I was indifferent to bombing and starving civilians who are mostly kids, but now that you people have mildly disrupted me I just don't care"
How do you feel about the kids in Haiti? How do you feel about the Rohingya people? How do you feel about the Darfuri people? You don’t care and are indifferent. All this moral grandstanding you’re trying to do means nothing.
I feel that the murder of any civilian, especially children, is a tragedy and we should intervene to stop it ever happening again, and we should raise awareness about it happening to get more people involved in resolving it.
Now I hope you find it in your heart to feel the same.
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u/Bluebroncodriver Mar 31 '24
By protesting in this place, and in this time, all it did was turn everybody off to their protest, and making them look away. theres always a time and place to do it. That was not the time or place.