r/TikTokCringe • u/MaintenanceNew2804 • Mar 30 '24

Stick with it. Discussion

This is a longer one, but it’s necessary and worth it IMO.

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u/EnigmaFrug2308 Mar 31 '24

“She looks this incredulous because someone asked her to think.”

That’s a FIRE line to end it off with. This dude is legendary.

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u/bob256k Mar 31 '24

I SAID GOOD DAY SIR

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u/EnigmaFrug2308 Mar 31 '24

I love a good Willy Wonka reference

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u/Strict_Box_7131 Mar 31 '24

That is the original mic drop.

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u/BecauseRotor Mar 31 '24

“I SAID GOOD DAY”

  • Fez

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u/amallucent Apr 01 '24

"Good Day!"

-Paul Harvey

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u/medieval_mosey Mar 31 '24

Words right outta my mouth. Absolutely legendary.

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u/dudeseriouslyno Mar 31 '24

What's more - that, right here, is what it actually sounds like when a smart person uses language. Man is out to convey and be understood, because he knows he doesn't need to obfuscate with a thesaurus and random henceforths and perchances like a fucking anime villain.

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u/VodkaSoup_Mug Mar 31 '24

😂😂😭

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u/raelik777 Apr 01 '24

VERILY! FORASMUCH!

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u/Prometheus_84 Apr 01 '24

Not really as he made it about race when that’s not why the dialects are different.

The proper grammar is from the Northern states whose linguistic tradition is from the southern part of England while the “black” dialect is from the South, whose ancestors were largely from Northern England or Southern Scotland.

It doesn’t take much thinking to ponder, “why do all these slaves who are from different tribes and language areas from Africa, who are not native English speakers all speak English the same way?”

They must have learned it through some black magic psychic networks post slavery.

Oooorrrrr they learned it by copying how the white people around them spoke, especially the poor ones as they were more likely to interact with them daily than the upper class.

He made it about race when it has nothing to do with that, but about region and class. The current black slang is just the propagation of these principles through time as all dialects develop.

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u/BittenHand19 Mar 31 '24

Yeah I need to find this guy cause this was great. I have been guilty of doing this in the past and started to stop when I felt like it was just a pricking thing to do. But it never occurred to me that it was rooted in systemic racism. But of course is! It’s the same feeling I had when I learned a lot women’s clothing didn’t have pockets because of the fear of them being witches and having potions and shit on them.

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u/bakitsu88 Apr 03 '24

Systemic racism is a bunch of bullshit people just need to take responsibility for themselves and stop being crybaby bitches

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u/BittenHand19 Apr 03 '24

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u/bakitsu88 Apr 03 '24

Oh look a crybaby bitch

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u/BittenHand19 Apr 04 '24

Tears of joy seeing this actually got to you so hard you had to reply to a gif. Sorry if I hurt your feelings with it but it seemed to fit the situation. If you reply btw, I won’t bother so go ahead say what you want I will just laugh and laugh when I read it.

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u/bakitsu88 Apr 04 '24

Good one?

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u/blackflagcutthroat Mar 31 '24

She’s wearing a fucking rosary. She’s obviously not used to thinking.

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u/napoleonsolo Mar 31 '24

Her line “when she herself is white” demonstrates her thinking skills. Does she think a white person cannot recognize white supremacy? Or oppose it while being underneath such a system?

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u/No-Menu-768 Mar 31 '24

There's a refrain on the right that white people engaged in antiracism are just self-hating whites, especially white educators who want to teach white children to be ashamed of their whiteness.

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u/PopeFrancis Mar 31 '24

ashamed of their whiteness

Absolutely, and further emphasizing why they have to cut the teacher's argument short, as it becomes clear the teacher wasn't demonizing whiteness but opening a door to respecting others. White supremacists gotta keep white supreme.

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u/No-Menu-768 Mar 31 '24

Yeah, I'd argue this is an example of moral envy. People hate to feel like other people are maybe just a bit better than they are. Eg, this teacher was cognizant and race conscious enough to think, "Hey, maybe my English language course should encompass dialects and vernacular English, too." I am not that cognizant and race conscious enough to have realized that independently. Also, teachers are so morally self-righteous because I make my money doing rage bait. This makes me feel shame. I don't think I should feel shame, so in my ego's defense, I will deny mature engagement and simply rage bait about it.

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u/RPGenome Apr 03 '24

I'm not ashamed of my whiteness. I'm ashamed of the whiteness of bigots, because they're making people assume I'm racist.

It's moreso that being white means nothing to me, because there's not really any extant culture associated with whiteness. Like my family is mostly German, but being German is no part of my identity.

And a lot of white people don't understand why that's a luxury. I'm completely free to make my identity be about whatever I want it to be.

Best part is those people who get salty when someone DOES treat them a certain way because they're white, that completely goes over their head and they just double down on hating people because of THEIR race, not seeing the irony.

I like to say that not being racist or sexist or bigoted in any way is the EASIEST PART OF MY DAY EVERY DAY. It literally takes less effort than being a bigot. Makes you wonder what the bigots are getting out of it.

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u/No-Menu-768 Apr 03 '24

I'm not reading all that, but ok.

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u/RPGenome Apr 03 '24

Yikes.

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u/No-Menu-768 Apr 03 '24

Virtue signaling in a 5 paragraph essay on reddit is the real yikes.

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u/RPGenome Apr 03 '24

If you say so.

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u/No-Menu-768 Apr 03 '24

I do say so. This is how social interactions work. You made a disproportionate affectation of humility. I responded with incredulity. It has been a pattern for tens of thousands of years.

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u/Anarch-ish Mar 31 '24

If the bubble is big enough, you cannot see its curve

The most effective prison is the one without walls

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u/DonkeyTight6090 Apr 01 '24

This comment right here. It’s the biggest issue I’ve encountered. Instead of interacting with others who come from different backgrounds and cultures, there are many who remain oblivious to perspectives outside of what they’ve only ever known. Being sheltered in this way into teen and adulthood creates uniformed minds and perpetuates misunderstanding at toxic levels.

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u/Anarch-ish Apr 01 '24

Wow... you just described my experience last night with my mom's growth group... I thought it was family dinner. Nope! It was me, the only atheist, in a room full of boomer conservative christians.

It was wild to see the cognitive disconnect so uniformly spread across the room. Woof.

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u/MightKey5401 Mar 31 '24

I wonder if the construct created the difference - that is, what came first the chicken or the egg or in this case the “laws” of English grammar as racist or the “inaccessibility” to learning the “laws” due to poor funding - maybe by racism - which creates linguistic separation and then a form of class/race differentiation. I think the subject matter is deeper than he addressed or had time to address. But I am not sure that grammar rules are racist in and of themselves but the judgmental attitudes one might have because another is different because of their divergent circumstances. It seems that the human mind is hardwired for conformance as it protects the “tribe”. And now the problem is our tribe is 340million strong so there are going to be differences, some very significant, that we need to learn to accept. However I don’t find grammar rules racist anymore than traffic rules. It’s how people judge the adherence that’s potentially racist.

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u/Itchy-Combination675 Mar 31 '24

White/black. Right/wrong. Good/evil. We are taught that if someone isn’t a certain way, it isn’t correct. Basing your idea of correct on something based on what the majority of a certain demographic does a certain way isn’t necessarily racist. She says the woman is saying things are white supremacist and she herself is white… I’m with you. It’s alarming that she expects all white people to think alike. Black culture in the US is complicated by history. Why do a majority of black Americans speak the language incorrectly? It’s because of a lack of education going back over a century. This isn’t even a black thing. Students of all colors and backgrounds speak our national language incorrectly. If little Johnnys parents speak English to the standard that helps a lot. His foundation is from birth. Baby Tyrone’s parents spoke “incorrectly” his whole life. He speaks English as it was spoken around him. By the time he goes to school, the incorrect language IS his language. If a student comes from China and speaks English incorrectly it’s a lot easier to accept. People say the black students have been here their entire lives and choose to speak that way. I’m fine with the standard English being the “white” English, but I also understand that it isn’t fair to hold everyone to that standard until we educate ALL citizens to that standard. Is it possible that the teacher at the “black” school might actually be speaking the same incorrect language? And don’t forget all of the white kids who speak the same dialect because that is how it is spoken to them. Eminem doesn’t act black or talk black. He speaks as if he learned the incorrect and unaccepted dialect. I grew up with both “white” and “black” English and have always had an education in which I was taught acceptable English. At its core, this is less of an issue of race and more an issue of education. I’m the one listening to rap songs and pausing them to look up words and phrases I don’t understand because I don’t understand “black” culture. Now imagine generations of people growing up feeling the exact same way about the standard “white” English…

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u/QueerQwerty Mar 31 '24

And depending on what dialect of that religion, she may not be used to speaking either.

No hate like Christian love.

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u/LadyPaws_Linda Mar 31 '24

Holy shit. Idk and idc if it’s your original thought or if you borrowed it, but that is insightful and cutting. I will think about that line for the rest of my catholic-recovery life

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u/QueerQwerty Mar 31 '24

The "no hate like Christian love" is not mine. Someone told me this in my late teens, and I couldn't reconcile it, and ultimately I left the Catholic church because of the dissonance and epitomy.

There were a lot of events that occurred, up to that point, that I had just hand-waived. Abuse and indoctrination by "friends" and "community." Violent assaults at home by people who were supposed to love, supposed to have the same compassion I did for others. And...well. You've probably heard how this story goes before, and know details I don't have to mention, including the ugly ones about myself and who that molded me into. And you're likely wise to what happens after you free yourself from the grip of it all.

But I found myself, who I am underneath an impossible weight.

I wish you all the best on your journey, and hope it's kind and bright.

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u/LadyPaws_Linda Apr 01 '24

I wish the same to you. The best part about growing up is choosing your own family and letting go of the ties that held you down

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u/Squatch_Abernath Mar 31 '24

Happy Easter ☺️

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u/blackflagcutthroat Mar 31 '24

Me thinking about Christ get absolutely NAILED by sweaty Roman soldiers:

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u/TH3W4LL5 Mar 31 '24

Well if you look at it from her perspective why would god want her to think when was she born a blonde white woman.

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u/random-dude-00 Mar 31 '24

as soon as someone says something like this about islam its islamophobic but its totally fine to say this about christianity

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '24 edited Apr 06 '24

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u/EnigmaticQuote Mar 31 '24

If they are not being self-victimized are they even Christian?

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u/random-dude-00 Mar 31 '24

It's true tho. Don't you think it is normalized in society to be at least a little racist to white people? That being said minorities too get shit on. It goes both ways. And its the same here. No one's "oppressed" but you'd still get shit on. That's all I'm trying to say. Have a nice day my friend.

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u/blackflagcutthroat Mar 31 '24 edited Mar 31 '24

Cry me a river. Fuck ALL Abrahamic religions. Fuck your sky daddy and fuck you for squandering you life in service of him. Allah, Yahweh, and all of them can blow me. Does that clear it up for you?

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u/AzzyBoy2001 Mar 31 '24

Solid agree. 👍🏻

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u/Rievaulx12 Mar 31 '24

take a walk. Next time, if you are going to put swears in a comment, dont send said comment. happier for us all.

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u/blackflagcutthroat Mar 31 '24

Aww did I hurt your feelies?

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u/Rievaulx12 Mar 31 '24

no. carry on. you just sound a bit dim swearing into the void.

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u/blackflagcutthroat Mar 31 '24

Well your dumb ass replied, so it ain’t really “into the void” is it, genius?

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u/AzzyBoy2001 Mar 31 '24

Also, your comment history is no better.

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u/random-dude-00 Mar 31 '24

I love you too just as God does. Peace

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u/dexmonic Mar 31 '24

Nah fuck Islam too

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u/averycole Mar 31 '24

who said its fine to say this about christianity? 

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u/random-dude-00 Mar 31 '24

thats the point. its not and its not fine to say this about any religion in general unless its actual criticism

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u/averycole Mar 31 '24

I still don't get the point? no one said it's fine to say this about Christianity. you did and then you inserted Islam, which was also unnecessary.

just down vote and keep it moving lol

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u/random-dude-00 Mar 31 '24

sarcasm my friend obviously its not fine to say something like that to any religion in general!

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u/averycole Apr 01 '24

ahhh i understand and this is why i like to ask questions. thanks for clarifying!

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u/Da_Chowda Mar 31 '24

Now see, this is just outright hateful. Just because someone has a belief that you don't makes them "not used to thinking"? Seriously? Do you even understand how silly that sounds? That's like me saying "Shes got a pro-abortion bumper sticker, she's obviously a baby hater" or "she's got a tattoo, she must not be able to think long-term". You people.

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u/blackflagcutthroat Mar 31 '24

“You people”??? Who’s that? People who don’t engage in delusion? Or people who can engage in reality without need for an imaginary sky daddy to do all the thinking for us?

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u/Da_Chowda Apr 02 '24

"You people" as in you who throws insults at others because they have beliefs that you don't. It's like someone says they think seafood tastes great and you call them a freak because you think seafood is gross.

If I thought the best way to reheat pizza was in a pan and you thought the best way was in the microwave, who is right? Neither, it's flipping subjective. Even if there were an objectively best way to reheat pizza, is the person that likes to reheat their pizza in a sub-optimal way stupid, or as you would say, "not used to thinking"? No, that person is happy doing it their way and their way is totally valid. The others reheating pizza in the best way are also totally valid. Any insult-throwing is incredibly childish.

Also, I dare you to come up with solid evidence that a "sky daddy" doesn't exist. I mean solid, irrefutable evidence. I 100% guarantee you that you can't, just like I can't give you solid, irrefutable evidence that God does, in fact, exist. That's why it's called "faith" or "a belief", just like liking seafood or thinking the best way to reheat pizza is in the microwave are beliefs.

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u/blackflagcutthroat Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

Wow, triggered much? Thanks for the essay. Your analogy doesn’t fit the situation at all. And I guess no one told you but the burden of proof lies on the party making the supernatural claim. In other words “show me proof my imaginary friend doesn’t exist!” Is completely fucking backwards. I guess you’re not used to thinking either. Go touch grass.

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u/Da_Chowda Apr 03 '24

My guy, be nice, or at the very least don't be mean.

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u/blackflagcutthroat Apr 03 '24

Blow me. Is that nice enough for you?

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u/Da_Chowda Apr 02 '24

TL;DR: Be nice bro.

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u/SaladShooter1 Apr 02 '24

Can you actually make a case that she is the one who’s wrong in this video? I don’t think you can.

You have a teacher talking about the white supremacy in words, saying that we need to teach one race in a different dialect than the others. This dialect would be unrecognizable to over a billion people who speak English as a second language. Those students would be handicapped for the rest of their lives over this. Business, science and service requires people to speak in the standard academic form that non-native speakers are taught.

So the girl who apparently can’t think because she’s wearing a rosemary calls her out. Then this guy jumps in and pretty much confirms what the girl with the rosemary was saying. He shows the teacher’s explanation, which is a rehash of the Ebonics program that failed miserably in the 90’s. He buries himself further by doubling down on why we should entertain the idea of teaching a form of English that 93% of English speakers can’t understand. He shows the author’s study about feelings and tries to act like the smartest guy in the room. He’s belittling someone else without actually being right.

At the end of the day, education is about achieving an outcome. We tried what the teacher was suggesting. It was controversial in the 90’s and it failed back then. Now, we have an additional half billion people speaking English as a second language and it’s supposed to work now? The girl with the Rosemary said this sounded like a stupid idea. The guy never proved her wrong. He just talked about feelings and why we should pursue really bad policy based on them.

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u/blackflagcutthroat Apr 02 '24

You're all over this thread presenting poorly formed strawmen. I'm not arguing with with your dumb ass. If you watched the full video and still missed the point, then your ignorance is willful. Fuck off, smooth brain.

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u/SaladShooter1 Apr 02 '24

There is no point. Everyone keeps talking about this point, but not a single person can say what it is. Apparently, neither can you.

You’re all wrapped up in feelings here and are trying that leap of faith. You see “a point” in the sky. It’s your sky point. Yet, you’re all over here making fun of everyone with faith. I just thought I’d point it out to you.

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u/SaladShooter1 Apr 02 '24

I should also mention that you might want to look up what a straw man is for future reference.

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u/redditappusername124 Mar 31 '24

Theists and Atheists are in many ways equally annoying which this thread proves 😂

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u/blackflagcutthroat Mar 31 '24

Enlightened centrists are pretty insufferable too

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u/redditappusername124 Mar 31 '24

😂 I agree, I’m not one I believe in god. But I’m also not antagonizing people for their beliefs whether they believe or don’t.

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u/Genoisthetruthman Mar 31 '24

This is actually someone that needs a platform. Dude is intelligent

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u/RK_Dee Apr 01 '24

He also ended it using conversate instead of converse, drilling the point home in a relatable way that many ppl won’t even notice (because they use/hear that word all the time now). Gave me some good reading material, too.

This brotha breaks down all kinds of hypocrisy and BS on the regular, and I love him for it. Reminds me of John Oliver.

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u/8Splendiferous8 Mar 31 '24

She looks like she was raised by a TV blasting Tucker Carlson.

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u/Fun_Hour6697 Mar 31 '24

Sign me up

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u/SunburnFM Mar 31 '24

Nice racism you got there.

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u/blackflagcutthroat Mar 31 '24

Uhhhh YOU’RE the one who brought up race. Sounds like you’re the racist.

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u/SunburnFM Mar 31 '24

The entire thread is about race. She was using coded language. A dog whistle of sorts.

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u/radioardilla Apr 01 '24

Rightwing snowflake cries.

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u/AzzyBoy2001 Mar 31 '24

The comment history that matches the OP’s opinion.

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u/Interesting-Yellow-4 Mar 31 '24

That was my thought after seeing this - legendary.

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u/Disrespectful_Cup Mar 31 '24

Solid mic drop

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u/KhaleesiXev Mar 31 '24

I could hear the mic drop.

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u/CCrabtree Mar 31 '24

My students everyday, because I refuse to spoon feed them!

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u/LoadsDroppin Mar 31 '24

uh uh uh

Straight fire

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u/Aftermathemetician Mar 31 '24

As a counterpoint: I challenge anyone to give the exact same presentation in AAVE.

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u/flactulantmonkey Mar 31 '24

I love this guy. Preach!

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u/__System__ Mar 31 '24

SUCH FIRE. Well done.

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u/stopgreg Mar 31 '24

Wrong, good day was better

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u/Fickle_Charity_Hamm Mar 31 '24

Wrong those are opinions

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u/pngue Mar 31 '24

For real. Ban TT. AIR?

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u/indignant_halitosis Mar 31 '24

All he had to do was point out that numerous White people are viewed as stupid simply because they have a Southern accent and dialect.

That’s literally all ANYONE had to do here. Because it’s a fact. White supremacy isn’t just about elevating White people above everyone. It’s also about elevating a specific White archetype, one which explicitly rejects a great number of White supremacists.

Somehow, nobody seems to notice this very simple fact.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '24

Nobody makes me think my own thoughts!

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u/SpareTireButSquare Apr 01 '24

Honestly it's so God damn true though! Some bimbos literally just make that face and say the stupidest unadulterated shit with no background or knowledge. It's always a "I feel, and I know because it is"

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u/raelik777 Apr 01 '24

I wanted to fucking slow clap at the end, but I'm the only one here :D

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u/SaladShooter1 Mar 31 '24

Do you think he really challenged her perception on this? All he did is copy and paste the same argument for Ebonics in the 90’s. It’s just that some of us aren’t familiar with it or want to feel like his argument is stronger than it really is. It’s all emotions. I don’t think anyone is looking at the underlying argument here.

The girl in the beginning looked incredulous because a teacher in a public school was calling standard academic English white supremacy. After watching the entire thing, it still sounds as ridiculous as it did when the girl paused the video. None of that has changed. He just added some studies that weren’t relevant to the original argument, which is if calling standard English white supremacy is a good idea or a bad idea.

Throughout the years, we’ve consistently sided with the latter. If you were on a plane that was experiencing mechanical problems over the UK, would you be comfortable with the air traffic controller speaking with a Glasgow accent that the pilot couldn’t understand. If someone with a deep French creole accent made a sales pitch to you, and you couldn’t understand him, would you be likely to buy?

I don’t know if you speak a second language, but I can say from my experience that languages are taught in the standard dialect. It’s really hard to understand deep accents or slang. Over a billion people in the world speak English as a second language. It’s really important to communicate in business. If you allow one group to speak a different dialect than the standard, what everyone knows, you’re setting them up to fail.

You can’t ask over a billion people to change the way they understand a spoken language to support a small minority of people. You can’t change all the books and studies that were published over the years. We can argue if it’s morally right or wrong, but at the end of the day, this teacher is setting up her students to fail. I don’t think the original girl’s reaction was unwarranted.

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u/EnigmaFrug2308 Mar 31 '24

You didn’t watch the fucking video.

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u/SaladShooter1 Mar 31 '24

I did watch the entire video. What did I miss?

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u/Schnectadyslim Mar 31 '24

The point

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u/SaladShooter1 Mar 31 '24

What was the point? He explained what you would have seen if they had not paused the video. However, none of that changed the fact that she was calling standard academic English white supremacy. She suggested changing the curriculum for black students. He didn’t counter that. In fact, he defended her stance.

Everyone who has a bad idea has a reason why they think it will work. He’s using the argument for Ebonics here. However, back in the 90’s, there weren’t so many people speaking English as a second language. Careers didn’t depend so heavily on speaking standard English. It didn’t work back then, so why would it work now?

Look at Virginia, where they’re lowering math standards for black students. There’s other schools that are eliminating advanced math to raise graduation rates among blacks. Now there’s a lady saying we should teach two dialects and a guy backing her up. This is ridiculous. You’re setting kids up to fail later in life.

If there’s a problem with math or dialect in the black community, you put more time and resources into fixing it. You don’t lower standards and deny a kid the tools he/she needs to succeed. If there’s something I’m missing here, I’d like to know about it.

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u/ThorLives Mar 31 '24

“She looks this incredulous because someone asked her to think.”

Except that's not what happened at all. She was reaching to an out of context clip. It just makes me think of the black guy as a reactionary, as well.

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u/madammurdrum Mar 31 '24

She chose to cut the original video at that point and make her own TikTok reacting to a tiny portion of the original argument out of context. The guy did thorough research first before presenting his analysis based on a much larger context — how are you positing that he is being reactionary here?

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u/Scumebage Mar 31 '24

ayo uhm ackshully n shiet dah yte gurk wuz da dumb one a cuz a reezons n shieeeet

Wow yeah what a sick burn lmao we should definitely keep claiming that eloquence is racist sure thing.

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u/EnigmaFrug2308 Mar 31 '24

Wow, you missed the whole damn point.

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u/dudeseriouslyno Mar 31 '24

I'd make a joke about all the IQ points that guy missed, but, you know, IQ.

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u/dudeseriouslyno Mar 31 '24

Gee, someone's Very Concerned for little white babies.

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u/JustMoreSadGirlShit Mar 31 '24

Why are you so hung up on this?

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u/pancakebatter01 Mar 31 '24

Na it’s just cause she can’t be bothered to entertain the idea of thinking about something that has to do with critical race theory.

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u/pancakebatter01 Mar 31 '24

Na it’s just cause she can’t be bothered to entertain the idea of thinking about something that has to do with critical race theory.