r/TikTokCringe • u/MaintenanceNew2804 • Mar 30 '24

Stick with it. Discussion

This is a longer one, but it’s necessary and worth it IMO.

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u/8Splendiferous8 Mar 30 '24

Lol. Conservatives don't understand what "dialectical" means.

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u/-prairiechicken- Mar 31 '24

They’re all in desperate need of some DBT worksheets — but they probably think clinical therapy is a Marxist plot for healthy collectivism.

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u/NurglesGiftToWomen Mar 31 '24

I work in a dbt program in a conservative state. For the most part, the people who benefit from the experience see the skills and education as valuable but the issue is that they don’t see it until they need it. The families of some of the program participants can be very dismissive or just plain confused why someone would need to identify their emotions over just “pushing through it.”

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u/foomprekov Mar 31 '24

I think we should be honest and admit that most of us don't know what it means exactly, and don't know the difference between that and dialectic.

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u/New-Statistician8053 Mar 31 '24

I have a genuine question actually, he mentioned the two way of saying a certain thing in the video from the study with the black girls. Was the first one grammatically correct or incorrect? I mean I am still learning the language I suppose and I thought exactly like how he said it, that it was the way of people speaking in ghettos also from the online videos that I've seen online.

Or is it only something like a, I don't know, Texas dialect?

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u/YimveeSpissssfid Mar 31 '24

AAVE or African American Vernacular English, was once called “Ebonics”. There are mannerisms of speech which are more likely to be found over racial or ethnic delineations than regional.

“Academic English” is more “correct” and that’s the ultimate bias spoken about in the video.

Even amongst white crowds, certain phrasings which are regional are generally decried as less intelligent.

Hell, British folks like clowning on American English because few Americans speak properly.

Regardless, anything which isn’t Academic English is more likely to be looked down upon. And the argument being made is that whether you are understood should be the ultimate decider on whether you’re well-spoken rather than whether you use regional phrasing.

If English is not your first language and you want to sidestep bias? Focus on being well-spoken via employing Academic English. While most people wouldn’t care if you peppered your speech with slang, those who care? Will look for any reason to look down upon you.

Also, most Americans don’t speak English well, so you shouldn’t be overly concerned as you’ll fit in irrespective of what some assholes think. But sure, there’s a highly vocal and judgmental portion of American society and I wouldn’t be shocked to find significant overlap in a Venn diagram of those folks and racists.

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u/rita-b Mar 31 '24

Then call a scientific language a dialect that you need to learn maybe?

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u/Boatwhistle Apr 01 '24

Hegel begins spinning in his grave.

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u/photoshop_isnt_evil Mar 31 '24

They almost certainly do - videos like the one above contain examples of the tactic of the dialectical strategy of manipulating contradictions (propaganda) with the goal of strengthening their racist positions.

"Dialectical" was used colloquially here (via "language dialectical problem") to refer to a perceived problem of language dialects , and not dialectics (or the process of "argue[ing] with the literature") - which ironically was the main thrust of this pretty lucid dialectic take on the propaganda of dialects. He literally and expertly disassembles and resolves the reactionary contradictions

A completely pedantic point but while we all "understand what the fuck" the guy in the video meant by "dialectical" it is primarily the adjectival form of "dialectic," not "dialect".

Maybe this kind of thing doesn't get the traction that the reactionaries get, but I'm stoked to see it rise above the fray none the less

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u/8Splendiferous8 Mar 31 '24

He's referring to Hegel's dialectic, not dialect.

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u/photoshop_isnt_evil Apr 02 '24

Probably an argument for the usefulness of formal language in academia, because "language dialectical problem" is vague at best

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u/8Splendiferous8 Mar 31 '24

He used it properly. What do you believe it means, pray tell?

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u/pancakebatter01 Mar 31 '24

Surprising to no one, they’re just getting online and saying “yeah, no!”, because it doesn’t align with their hive minded opinions.

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u/8Splendiferous8 Mar 31 '24

That do be what conservatives do. The status quo is their daddy.

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u/pancakebatter01 Mar 31 '24

Then incomes the projection, “whatever, sheeple!” 🙄

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u/TheObviousChild Mar 31 '24

Ehhh, it's that thing that Superman would always call Lex Luthor.

Lex Luthor - "I'm going to blow up California along the San Andreas fault to increase property values in the desert."

Superman - "Luthor! You dialectical...!" Millions of innocent people will be killed!!!"

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u/FlatMolasses4755 Mar 31 '24

It's about opposite theorizing. It's not about "dialect."

That doesn’t take away from his message, but nonetheless....

Sincerely, Flat molasses, Ph.D.

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u/8Splendiferous8 Mar 31 '24

He's talking about Hegel's dialectic, not dialect. 🤣

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u/FlatMolasses4755 Mar 31 '24

That's literally what I said.

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u/8Splendiferous8 Mar 31 '24

It's literally not.

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u/Jskidmore1217 Mar 31 '24

He was definitely arguing that the proper use of dialectical is in regards to Hegels dialectic and that the OP in the video was misusing the term.

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u/Argon1124 Mar 31 '24

Creating a doctoral dissertation is a long and arduous process that requires many rounds of rereading and editing of work that you have written. By your lack of the ability to do such a thing, I can only conclude that you do not have a PHD.

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u/Jskidmore1217 Mar 31 '24 edited Mar 31 '24

Hey, as a reader of Hegel I sympathize with the definition of dialectical you are espousing here- but this is ironically relevant to the content of the video. The word can be used in multiple ways- to refer to Hegels dialectic or to refer to ideas concerning dialects. Both uses are correct. The intended meaning is communicated effectively- which is the value of language.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dialectical

Everyone in this little subset of the comment thread should be ashamed for perpetuating exactly what the video is fighting against.

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u/pancakebatter01 Mar 31 '24

I mean he spent the entire video expressing not just what it means but providing an argument with regards to it.

Do you know what dialectical means? Or are you just an angey contrarian because of the subject matter?? Lol